--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC100019 Date: 08/01/96 From: DAVE ARONSON Time: 12:02am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Ed's Red Revised 2/3 === begin Part 2 of 3 === There isn't anything in Ed's Red which chemically dissolves copper fouling in rifle bores, but it does a better job removing on carbon and primer residue than anything else which is safe and commonly available. Numerous users have told me, that exclusive use of "ER" reduces copper deposits, because it removes the old impacted powder fouling which is left by other cleaners, which reduces the abrasion and adhesion of jacket metal to the bore surface, leaving a cleaner surface condition which reduces subsequent fouling. Experience seems to indicate that "ER" will actually remove metal fouling it if you let it "soak," so the surfactants will do the job, though you have to be patient. Addition of the lanolin to ER bore cleaner mix is entirely optional. The cleaner works quite well and gives adequate corrosion protection and lubrication for most users without it. Incorporating the lanolin makes the cleaner easier on the hands, and increases lubricity and film strength, and improves corrosion protection if weapons will be routinely exposed to salt air, water spray, industrial or urban corrosive atmospheres, or if you intend to use the cleaner as a protectant for long term storage of over 1 year. If you use other protective films for adverse use or long term storage you can leave the lanolin out and save about $8 per gallon. At current retail prices you can buy all the ingredients to mix ER, without the lanolin for about $10 per gallon. I urge you to mix some yourself. I am confident it will work as well for you as it does for me and hundreds of users who got the "recipe" on the Fidonet Firearms Echo. CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner 1 part Dexron II, IIe or III ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later. 1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1 1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits, CAS #64741-49-9, or may substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or equivalent, (aka "Varsol") 1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1. (Optional up to 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, OK to substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store.) MIXING INSTRUCTIONS FOR "ER" BORE CLEANER: Mix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal, chemical-resistant, heavy gage PET or PVC plastic container. NFPA approved plastic gasoline storage containers are also OK. Do NOT use HDPE, which is permeable, because the acetone will eventually evaporate. The acetone in ER will also attack HDPE, causing the container to collapse, making a heck of a mess! Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the other components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed. If you incorporate the lanolin into the mixture, melt this carefully in a double boiler, taking precautions against fire. Pour the melted lanolin it into a larger container, rinsing the lanolin container with the bore cleaner mix, and stirring until it is all dissolved. I recommend diverting a small quantity, up to 4 ozs. per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix for optional use as an "ER-compatible" gun oil. This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the remaining mix. === end Part 2 of 3 === --- MakeMsg v2.31 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 (1:109/120.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC100020 Date: 07/31/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:27pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Interstate CCW agreements Rich was heard muttering to Max Lake about Interstate CCW agreements RW> I don't think so. Look at drivers and marriage RW> license. The rules for obtaining these license vary RW> from state to state but they are honored in ALL states. RW> Now if the congress tries to set minimum requirements RW> for the states or says that a TX license holder only RW> had to follow TX law in CA then the 10th would come RW> into play. To what degree do we want to insist that states recognize other states' licensing? Drivers and marraige licenses are obvious. What about other forms of licensure such as professional licenses: attorneys, barbers, doctors? Perhaps it would be better to stop requiring so many activities to be "licensed." ... How 'bout let's just try freedom for a change? --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC100021 Date: 07/31/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:27pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Plastic Nolan was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Plastic PN> Is that because *ou don't think the law would work...or are *ou PN>wanting natural selection to work more efficientl*? NP> Neither. If I want to gather paraphanalia in my house, what business NP> is it of anyone, least of all the government, that I have it? Same Well, _I_ surely don't care what you have lurking in your basement...but it may truly piss off upChuckie Schumer... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC100022 Date: 07/31/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:27pm \/To: CHARLES FOSTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Letter to Harry Browne Charles was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Letter to Harry Browne PN> Ah, but the trouble is not what's easiest...what is rightest. CF> CF> Yeah, that basically sums it up. But it seems to be a forgotten CF> concept nowadays in the current "your choice of lying scum" political CF> environment. I believe, while recognizing the possibility of being wrong, that it's less a forgotten concept than recognition of reality. JP> If Dole continues to aggravate me between now and November 5th, I may JP> just walk into the polling booth and flip a coin. JP> But right now, I still plan to hold my nose and vote for Dole. [Note: not my quote, although I don't necessarily disagree.] CF> CF> And that is why things continue to get worse and the American CF> citizen continues to get the short stick. It is an incredible CF> statement of the way the country is currently messed up when a CF> majority of the voters are voting for someone they may disagree with, CF> but because they think that person will be less harmful than another. Again, we're back to the concept of "reality." One of the factors that makes voting for Dole vs. voting for somebody else is the degree to which most of us hereabouts are aware and concerned. I suggest the majority of the populace is not such. PN> Still dunno, I think. CF> CF> Let's face it. People who are going to vote for Dole "anyway" this CF> November don't want to change anything. It is almost like the way CF> an abused person will keep returning to their abuser, until they end CF> up dead or a third party (pun intended) intervenes. CF> CF> You either want to do something and are going to have the courage CF> and conviction to make a stand, or you just wanna get in a few more CF> reps on your jaw exercises while the chains grow ever heavier and the CF> noose grows ever tighter. Still dunno, I think. Although at this time it's highly unlikely I'll be voting for anybody other than Browne I will be keeping my options open. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC100023 Date: 07/31/96 From: CRAIG SCHROEDER Time: 07:54pm \/To: DAVID R. NORTON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: .45 predudice Hello David, On 30 Jul. 96 11:39 David R. Norton wrote to John Perz... DN> In hunting, the .357 exits the body and makes a large exit hole, DN> the .44 makes a larger exit hole and removes more body parts DN> doing so. It's probably overkill, game hit with either gun seems DN> to be equally dead...... I can echo your experience, exactly. In years of hunting with a group (12) of handgun hunters in the whitetail season in Wisconsin, our experiments show that on fragile game like whitetail deer, that shot placement remains the primary component of clean, humane kills. The talk of energy dump seems all wrong to me in this case. The energy is less than the push on the hand as the bullet exits the handgun. The real issue in comparison of caliber/bullet/loads is whether or not there is consistent tissue damage with that combination. A bullet that consistently exits with a wide wound channel leads to the most consistent one shot stops. Hydrostatic shock only seems consistently effective in the over-bore or Weatherby class of cartridges. I'm the first to admit that even our 200+ deer kills are anecdotal evidence, but one does tend to believe what he sees consistently. We need to also remember that there is hardly anything as truly unpredictable as bullet behavior as we all have had hard to explain events occur that seem to defy all logic in shooting. Regards, -=Craig=- craigclu@win.bright.net 1:2245/201 --- * wsOMR 1.20b * ... My girlfriend's schizophrenic, but she's good people * Origin: THE BAUD HOUSE : 715.234.7773 ->1:2245/201 (1:2245/201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC200000 Date: 08/01/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 10:48am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: WMSA's _Bullet_ Editorial * Crossposted from: FREEDOM'S_VOICE Originally from John Taylor <76470.3001@CompuServe.COM> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is the lead editorial in the current issue of Brad Alpert's Western Missouri Shooting Association's newsletter, "The Bullet". It is fairly ypical of the reaction of probably more than 50% of the Republican-oriented gun rights activists I know 'personally'. Libertarian activists, take note! There's Dole in them thar hills! -jct The Official Disparager of the TurnerOlympics - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DOLE The 1996 presidential election was Bob Dole's to lose and he just did. In an instant replay of George Bush's throwing the 1992 race by going out of his ay to antagonize his natural constituency - gunowners (along with everyone who believed his "no new taxes" pledge) - Dole first broke his 1995 promise to bring the AWB repeal to a vote on the floor of the Senate and then - unbelievably - answered Clinton's challenge by saying, two weeks ago, that as President he would veto such a repeal. You recall that after George Bush banned the importation of military-lookalikes, then-Chairman of the Republican National Committee Lee Atwater said gunowners have nowhere else to go". His candidate then proceeded to lose NRA's endorsement and then the election by a paltry 5,000,000 votes. I will admit that I was one of the last holdouts who was prepared to "hold is nose and vote for Dole" but, as I wrote on the Republican National Committee website (www.rnc.org/guest), I will not vote for an avowed enemy of my Second Amendment rights. In his incomprehensible drive to become functionally identical with Bill Clinton, Dole has sealed the coffin on his election ffort and we will have to endure as much more of a Clinton presidency as Kenneth Starr decides we do, pending his painstaking and inexorable pursuit of felony charges against Bill and Hillary. The reasoning behind Dole's turnabout can undoubtedly be traced to a desire o appeal to the "middle". This is a very poorly thought-out justification for needlessly alienating a mass of highly-motivated voters who would otherwise have cast their vote in favor of him. Consider - how many votes did Dole gain by this switch, versus how many it will cost him? That he and his campaign can o blithely ignore the hard lessons of recent history - the Bush campaign and the '94 Congressional turnover to which Bill Clinton himself attributed the gunowner vote - is astonishing. On a state-by-state (and sometimes, even national) basis since 1991, unowners have made tremendous leaps forward. For this we owe incalculable gratitude to a revitalized National Rifle Association and equally, to gunowners' newfound commitment to work hard in the political arena. Right-to-carry legislation, range protection laws, firearms pre-emption, and now a privately held (thus, safe from the ravening anti-gunners in Congress) Civilian Marksmanship rogram and other such bold initiatives are sweeping the land. And comes now the titular head of the Republican Party who sees this pro-freedom activism gelling into legislation - and he places himself squarely in the ranks of the other gun grabbers. I will be voting for Libertarian Harry Browne for President this year, and I will work to elect pro-gun Democrats and Republicans in other races. If we can elect a veto-proof Congress, it won't much matter who the President is, xcept for the matter of judicial appointments. Hopefully, however, Clinton will be in leg irons before too much longer and we won't even have to worry about that.. I really thought that the Republican Party had gotten the message with Bush, and then certainly with the '94 elections. But evidently, the national leaders f the party have no clue about how serious we gunowners are about our rights. If we can get a pro-gun, veto-proof Congress elected and let Dole go down to defeat, why - maybe the third time's the charm. Meanwhile, Bob Dole? Bob Dole can kiss my AR-15. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------- Chairman ------------------------------------------ Mike Dugger When in doubt, vote 'em out Armed and SAFE! Legalize Freedom - ELECT Libertarians ----------- Arizona Libertarian Party --------------------------------- --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DC200001 Date: 08/01/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 10:48am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Dr. Suter on Irresponsible Journalism * Crossposted from: FREEDOM'S_VOICE From: EdgarSuter@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 03:38:35 -0400 Subject: irresponsible journalism A more obscure magazine, Edging West, has a guide to "essential" camping equipment. In the section entitled "the gun," the author repeatedly exhorts the reader to get drunk and handle a gun unsafely. It is a disgusting, puerile, snide, and iresponsible parody. Feel free to read it at your newsstand - again, don't buy it - then give Edging West its due feedback. Edgar A. Suter MD National Chair, Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research Inc. --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: irresponsible journalism Date: 96-07-21 13:52:41 EDT From: EdgarSuter To: EdgingWest CC: EdgarSuter Dear Editor, Your repeated puerile suggestions to mix alcohol and unsafe gun handling should haunt you. Avoiding the mix of alcohol and guns has been one of the most important tenets of the "commandments" of gun safety. According to the National Safety Council, gun accident fatality rates have fallen steadily since the dawn of the twentieth century and now hover at an all time low - no thanks to your irresponsible journalism. Should we institute background checks of journalists and waiting periods on stupid magazine columns. After all, "if it saves only one life..." the Founders could not have possibly envisioned the First Amendment as protecting the firepower of "high-capacity" printing presses or the deadly dangers of "assault journalism." Let any excess deaths from a mix of guns and alcohol be on your conscience and let the plaintiffs' attorney be on your backs. Our national non-profit physicians think tank will be there with our amicus curiae brief testifying to the deadly and moronic irresponsibility of your editors and columnists. Sincerely, Edgar A. Suter MD National Chair, Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research Inc. a national non-profit 501c(4) physicians think tank 5201 Norris Canyon Road #220 San Ramon CA 94583-5405 voice 510-277-0333 fax 510-277-1568 e-mail EdgarSuter@aol.com **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 **************************************************************************** --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428)