--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00177 Date: 07/27/96 From: RICHARD K. FOLEY Time: 02:44pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: A slap in the face >ML> ML> Clinton has said he would propse outlawing the private ownership >ML> ML> of hand guns. I do not believe Dole is that far out. >ML> >ML> NP> Max, no offense, but I've only heard this rumor from the far >ML> NP> right. I've never heard anything backing it up. Do you have >ML> NP> anything? > >ML> Comment in one of the news releases from NRA or GOA that get >ML>posted here as I recall. Something like "Clinton has told members of > ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >ML>the media....". I didn't save it. Nolan this is not -directly- directed at you .. I could'nt find the original message that you commented on! I would venture to guess that it doesn't really matter what they -suggest- or -think- about doing either while in office or while running for office. Each will do what he/she thinks is -good- for the party and will get them reelected. And although sad, but not suprising, not enough people are -willing- to -force- the politicians to back the american people and their rights. It comes down to numbers, there are more votes for a canidate that supports strong gun control than there are those that oppose it! These -lifer's- know that they may loose votes because of this or that but that they can recover other voters bases on somthing else they did. More americans must become more interested in our future or many more -crimes- against our rights will come to be! --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#2948) * Origin: Compu-Tech BBS - Hubbard, Ohio - 330.534.8937 (1:237/546) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00178 Date: 07/28/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:56am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: I'll NEVER Use AT&T Again!!! John was heard muttering to All about I'll NEVER Use AT&T Again!!! JE> ======================================================================= JE> = * Area : TALK.POLITICS.GUNS (usenet) JE> * From : DQBW77A@PRODIGY.COM, (24 Jul 96 18:15) JE> * To : All JE> * Subj : I'll NEVER Use AT&T Again!!! JE> ======================================================================= JE> = To the AT&T Webmaster: JE> I tried to log into your Olympic site. I received the following JE> message: JE> "We're sorry, but your entry for field Best Event(shooting) appeared JE> to contain words of phrases that are obscene, inappropriate, or on a JE> disallowed subject. JE> Your profile update was rejected." Does anybody have anything on this? What is the address of the website? colt45@worldnet.att.net, for now... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00179 Date: 07/28/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:56am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Government Reform John was heard muttering to Earnest Padgette about Government Reform JP> With respect, Ernie, I don't think it's that simple. The JP> Constitution, says **NOTHING** about term limits. Yet I don't believe JP> that the founders ever envisioned a permanent political class. I think JP> they figured a man would spend a few years in politics out of civic JP> responsibility, then go back to his private life. In that sense, term JP> limits is an attempt to restore the founders concepts. I realize this is simplistic, but consider: What is the root cause of the problem? I would suggest that it's not the government, but in fact the electorate. Government is merely a symptom. We need to go after the _cause_. We have term limits. It's called voting. JP> One of the things that REALLY drives me up a wall is the idea of JP> pensions for elected officials. If we did away with those, people JP> wouldn't spend their whole life running over and over again for one JP> office after another. Again, nothing in the Constitution for or JP> against pensions. There's nothing about their compensation, either. I propose we pay 'em a dollar a year. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00180 Date: 07/28/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:56am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Letter to Harry Browne John was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Letter to Harry Browne -> Ah, but the trouble is not what's easiest...what is rightest. JP> Boy! I can tell YOU'RE not a politician! And don't want to be, either. ... "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong," D. Koresh --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00181 Date: 07/28/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:56am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra John was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Nra -> JP> Plus, I suspect that a majority of the NRA's officers & BoD are -> from JP> the Conservative wing, not the Libertarian wing. -> -> Sure is my impression, too. JP> I'd like to see every candidate for the BoD answer the following JP> question: Which single one of the following words BEST describes your JP> political views: JP> A: Conservative JP> B: Libertarian JP> C: Populist JP> D: Liberal Hmmm... The whole voting mechanism might be worthwhile looked at. But not until after Novemeber? --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00182 Date: 07/28/96 From: JOHN PERZ Time: 07:22am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: dump dole? Crossposted from the C-News Digest Mailing List BEGIN QUOTE ************************************************************ REPUBLICANS' BEST HOPE IS FOR DOLE TO STEP ASIDE BY CAL THOMAS FOUR YEARS AGO at precisely this point in the Presidential campaign George Bush's poll numbers were in a free fallfrom a rarefied 90 percent popularity he enjoyed during the Gulf War. Republicans had no message and no "VISION" (which Bush regularly disparaged), but they consoled themselves that character, maturity and experience would prevail over youth, loose morals and inexperience. They shouldn't make that mistake a second time with Bob Dole. Party leaders are now faced with three choices. They can place their faith in special counsel Kenneth Starr in hopes that he will get a credible and damaging indictment against one or both Clintons before election day. They can accept the unpleasant prospect of a decisive Clinton reelection triumph based on personal and political deception that would, among other things, produce two or more Supreme Court justices and a reign of legal error lasting another 40 years. Or they can advance their efforts to reform government and restore public confidence in it by persuading Dole to relinquish the nomination and throw open the Republican National Convention next month in San Diego. Such an act would forever enshrine Dole as a man who put his party and its prospects, along with its principles, ahead of his own interests. It would also electrify the party and put the smug people of the Clinton Administration into a defensive posture from which they might never recover. Dole's dismal performance on "Larry King Live" was the final straw. Mrs. Dole played Kathie Lee to his Frank Gifford. Speaking for her husband, finishing his sentences, telling veiwers what "Bob Dole Believes" and attempting to dilute the age factor. Worse yet, Dole announced his selection of "moderate" pro-choice New York Rep. Susan Molinari as the convention's keynote speaker. Dr. Jack Kevorkian might have been a better choice. Dole said his choice of Molinari "is a big statement about women". What does that mean? Wouldn't it have been a big statement about women (and about babies who deserve a right to live) if he had named a Pro-life keynoter? What would it take to make Dole step aside? Kristol thinks House Speaker Newt Gingrich "who will never be President, so what does he have to lose?" could make it happen especially if he were backed up by William Bennett and Jack Kemp. I would add Sen John McCain of Arizona. The effort might not work but should be made. Republicans must enter whatever is the contemporary equivalent of a smoke filled room, now, not in San Diego,and ask themselves whether it is worth losing everything that conservatives have worked for since Barry Goldwater just so Bob Dole can go down in flames, taking other Republicans with him. Is giving Dole the nomination just because he's waited in line the longest worth unleashing Bill and Hillary Clinton for four years? An open Convention could nominate a "fresh" face in the sense that he would not have been beaten to death by sound bite and irrelevancies as Dole has. Who might that be is up to the delegates. An open convention would energize the press so the the Republican nominee would seem electable. Such a course would be better than disaster, and a growing number of conservatives around the country think that diaster is the destination of the Dole candidacy. If they are going to lose, they reason, they would rather do it with someone who inspirers more faith and trust than Dole. Those who want to stick with Dole must say by what scenario they believe he'll win. Dole is a great American,but a terrible Presidential candidate. Many would consider him an even greater American if he stepped aside. END QUOTE ************************************************************** --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Hudson Valley BBS (1:2624/808.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00183 Date: 07/28/96 From: CLOYCE OSBORN Time: 05:58am \/To: BACKBONE OPERATIONS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expired Listing BO> The listing in the Zone 1 EchoList for this echo has BO> expired. The Zone 1 Backbone only carries echoes listed BO> If you need assistance, please contact Marge Robbins, 1:283/120. Marge, it's often said that sysops have to pay money out of their own pockets to move Fidomail. You've spammed this across every echo that I pick up, thus costing a lot of sysops a lot of money. Don't you think you could find a more efficient way to do this? I don't question the necessity of determining whether an echo is still active but I do question the necessity of posting it to each and every echo. Regards. Cloyce. --- EZPoint V2.2 * Origin: Res Ipsa Loquitur, Indian Territory (1:147/34.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00184 Date: 07/28/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 01:06pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: A Call To Arms JP> Neither of my Senators, Moynahan & D'Amato, are running this time. JP> Though frankly, I'd be better off if I could trade them both for a JP> sick dog, and then shoot the dog. I'd spend a few bucks to save the dog. Wouldn't spend a dime on the other two..... --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * There were computers in Biblical times. Eve had an Apple. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00185 Date: 07/28/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 01:06pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 1 times) Subj: .45 predudice ML> ugly JHPs like a Talon or Starfire in the summer; FMJ or a jacketed ML> soft point in the winter. Idea is to get better penetration when the ML> bad guys are wearing leather jackets, etc. PN> Does it make that much difference? What happens according to those who have tried it, when a JHP is fired thru heavy clothing a couple of things can happen. One is it punches a small piece of material that fills the cavity in the nose of the bullet. Once the bullet gets to the flesh, there is no cavity to make it expand, it acts like an FMJ and goes deep. The other is it starts to expand as soon as it hits and gives poor penetration. Leather jackets are the worst for this. This is why he loads FMJ in the winter. He works WAY up north where the folks really bundle up. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * Very funny Mr. Scott - now beam up my clothes! --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00186 Date: 07/28/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 01:06pm \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra DA> I brought up the question, "What happens if the NRA endorses Harry DA> Browne?" DA> Nobody called that a stupid idea. Several of them smiled and said that DA> would make for an interesting race. All of them agreed that it would DA> be the death blow to the Dole campaign. I believe this would also insure the election of Clinton. :-( --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * * The "C" in rap is silent * --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143)