--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00055 Date: 07/24/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 11:26am \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Dole ML> You'd think that GOA would have put out something on it. They have ML>been following the campaign real closely. Where have you been Max? I've seen, in this very conference, e-mail after e-mail from GOA bashing Dole for his anti-gun revision, and backing Brown. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00056 Date: 07/24/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 11:33am \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra ML> Counterattack or not, I refuse to just roll over on my back and ML>give up. There seems to be a growing movement to do just that. I ML>wonder if there may be some "antis" posting here thrying to make us ML>think we have no chance. Ah the differences of viewpoint. To my eyes, you are rolling on your back, claiming that some gun control is better then lots of gun control, and refusing to vote for no gun control, because you wouldn't be able to claim to have voted for a winner. I have also watched where several months ago myself and just one other person were saying Dole is as much a looser as Clinton. And we were getting some "heated" commentary back about how evil (among other things) we were for essentially voting for Clinton. Now I see more and more people saying "you know, maybe I really _shouldn't_ vote for another gun control candidate." To my eyes, tides are turning. To my ears as well. For at work, at home and at play I hear it more and more as well. More and more people getting fed up with two scumbags, playing big government. More and more people talking, and perhaps voting, for real change. For a return to the Constitution. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00057 Date: 07/24/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 11:46am \/To: T OWEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: nra TO>I, as a member of the NRA, as well as other Por-Gun groups, certainly TO>do not believe that Bob Dole will protect my RTKBA, as he has had TO>a major role in the recent past, in the "banning" of whatever it was TO>that was supposedly banned.??!! TO>However, the NRA as an organisation, TO>is faced with the same choice that we, as private citizens are; we TO>must get the Clintons out, Why? Seriously, why? Since the President cannot, absolutely, unequivocally, can not write legislation. That is Congress only. The worse a rabid anti-gun president should be able to do is veto each and every repeal bill. He can not, repeat, can not create new anti gun laws. The actual source of those anti-gun and other anti-Constitution laws that the President (Clinton or Dole) would sign is Congress. The republican majority Congress. Now you tell me, if Congress hated the President, and fought him at every turn, would that Congress be more or less likely to do what the President wants then a Congress that loved the President, as one of their own? Perhaps, just perhaps, we as gun owners would actually be better served with Clinton as President then Dole. With Clinton the republican majority Congress might possibly fight him at every turn. True, they haven't done so yet, but they might. Even if they don't, they will not, and have not, cottoned up to Bill as they have Bob Dole. Good ole Bobby, one of their own. Bob, with many friends and connections. Dole, the one with many favors owed him in Congress. Just how much will the republican majority Congress fight against good ole Bob when he starts asking for favors and calling in chits, to get more gun control laws made? With Clinton, there is a chance for opposition. With Dole, there really isn't. TO>and Dole is the only other candidate that TO>has a chance (unfortunately). I do think that Dole would be more TO>open to negotiation, when it comes to firearms issues, than Bill TO>has been. I still have no respect for either of them. What a mess! TO>Take care. TO>... Order your Chia Klinton, today! Comes with weed and Flowers! TO>--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 TO> * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 TO>(1:324/127) --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00058 Date: 07/24/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 11:48am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra JP>If true, I find that last one **REAL** curious. What kind of REAL JP>libertarian doesn't own guns? One who doesn't want to. That's about as deranged a question as asking what sort of *real* pro- choicer doesn't have a few abortions. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00059 Date: 07/24/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 11:49am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra JP>My own personal philosophy is real simple. Did the incumbent vote JP>for gun control? Then replace him. If his replacement votes for gun JP>control, replace HIM. JP>Sooner or later, the bastards will figure out that voting for gun JP>control is political suicide. Yea, except the guy you are voting for has voted for gun control. The "bastards" have you figured out quite well. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00060 Date: 07/24/96 From: JOHN PERZ Time: 05:31am \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: .45 predudice -> The problem is that in a shooting, there are no absolutes. People -> have survived direct hits with monsterous weapons, while others have -> died from BB gun wounds. There are just too many variables, from -> shot placement to the overall physical condition of the person. -> -> The only thing you can count on is each one is going to be different. Absolutely True! Still, you have to make some kind of choice concerning caliber, bullet, gun it is chambered in, etc. Personaly, I've chosen the 125 gr. 357 magnum SJHP. I have great confidence that if I do **MY** part, Fluffy will do hers! Regards John --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Hudson Valley BBS (1:2624/808.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00061 Date: 07/24/96 From: JOHN PERZ Time: 05:48am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: INFO NEEDED ON VP CHOICES Mondays edition of the New York Times had a story about Dole's potential VP candidates. The story claims that the short list is now: Gov. Voinovich of OH Gov. Ridge of PA Gov. Thompson of WI Gov. Edgar of IL Gov. Engler of MI Former Gov. Campbell of SC CA Attorney General Dan Lungren I know Voinovich and Ridge are Anti-2nd, but I know nothing about the rest of them. Anyone here got anything good or bad to say about any of them, 2nd Ammendment wise? Any of them oppose CCW reform in their states, or go out of their way to favor it? Regards John --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Hudson Valley BBS (1:2624/808.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00062 Date: 07/23/96 From: EARNEST PADGETTE Time: 04:11pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 1 times) Subj: A Slap In The Face PN> A SLAP IN THE FACE PN> By Dave Markowitz PN> Many of you who've been posting here on Paul Revere for any time PN>saw my earlier postings on why we need to vote for Bob Dole in PN>November. My gist was that Dole's no saint, but that he'd be better for PN>our cause than another four years of Bill Clinton. But now I've been PN>forced to reconsider my viewpoint. PN> Last week, Dole came out and dropped his "support" for repealing PN>the 1994 assault weapons ban, while reiterating support for a national PN>instant background check on *all* firearms purchases. It was bad enough PN>that he did not actively push a repeal while he was Senate Majority PN>Leader, but this brings his anti-freedom position to a whole new level. PN>This is, to put it mildly, a slap in the face. PN> To be blunt, he just told us GunOwners to go fuck ourselves. PN>He'll get along just fine without us, thank you very much. Dole never has been the man of our dreams, but what's new? I'm voting against Bill Clinton, and the only man who can (or at least could have up until the time he started shooting himself in the foot) beat Bill Clinton is Bob Dole. 99% of my effort will be on the congressional races, and Dole isn't getting any more money from me. I just return the requests for money with newspaper clippings and notes explaining why Dole is on his own as far as I'm concerned. I reserve the most lengthy explanations for the requests from Haley Barbour; things like "Is Dole trying to destroy the Republican Party? We already have one liberal party, we don't need another" or "What a disgusting state of affairs! The most hated sitting president in history and we're running the only man in America that wants to be just like him". We blew it in the primaries, when we had a choice of several men better on our issue than Dole. We didn't do enough to get them nominated, and now all the good choices are gone. Heaven help us if we don't wake up before the congressional races are too far gone to recover. The election of Bob Dole would say enough about our political weakness; what would Bill Clinton's reelection say? What a disgusting state of affairs! Ernie P. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X I was born free; I WILL die free. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 Bang, bang, shoo-oo-oot shoot! (1:109/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00063 Date: 07/24/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 11:00pm \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Terror DA> MS> JP> "People are reassured by the mere fact that measures are DA> being DA> MS> JP> taken," DA> DA> MS> Nobody getting on a plane will be "reassured" that they had to go DA> MS> through a metal detector to get to the gate...not when the plane DA> was DA> MS> downed anyhow! DA> DA> Since I just put my son on a plane bound for Philmont Scout Ranch DA> this DA> moring, I've done a bit of thinking on this subject in the last few DA> days. DA> The problem we face today with terrorism is similar in one respect to DA> the problems we faced years ago with piracy. Terrorism survives DA> because DA> certain governments fund it in their interests to support terrorism. DA> The DA> Libyan desert is dotted with training camps from a variety of DA> countries. DA> Qaddafi has supplied many terrorist organizations over the years DA> simply DA> because it destabilized the West. He didn't back off at all until DA> Reagan DA> ordered a military action against Libya. Just like his predecessors in the same location. Remember the "Barbary Pirates"? They were in the same place! And they stopped their piracy of U.S. vessels only after the U.S. Navy raided them. DA> I don't think Reagan went far enough. I am in favor of reducing any DA> government that supports terrorism to rubble. Every military base and DA> every government building in Libya should have been obliterated. If DA> Qaddafi could have been killed in the process, so much the better. True. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBY00064 Date: 07/24/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 11:05pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: KEY RACES, Part 2 of 2 JP> -> I _live_ in this state and have for a long time. JP> -> Gantt is a very weak candidate. He is backed mostly by JP> out-of-state JP> -> etc. JP> JP> Thanks very much for posting this. I intended this list from the JP> Second JP> Ammendment Foundation to just serve as a starting point. I was JP> specifically looking for input such as your's. JP> Any current polls on these races that you can report to us? No. But polls last time Gantt ran failed to show his key weaknesses. A substantial number of N.C.'s white voters would never vote for any black candidate, and that meant that Gantt would have had to get a very high share of the remaining white voters to have won. While Gantt also got the vast majority of the black vote, he failed to inspire black voters to turn out en masse. And the same problems plague his current campaign. Talk-radio shows locally are full of discussions of how Gantt's campaign is mainly financed by out-of-state liberal interests from states whose values aren't consistent with this state. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8)