--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00071 Date: 07/22/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 11:27pm \/To: STEVE HENDERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: TOW -> Why in the hell would someone fire a $5000-plus missile in an attempt -> to take out a few troops? How much is YOUR squad's life worth? If firing a $5000-plus missile saves YOUR life, won't it be worth it? :-) -> The TOW is used from a standing overwatch -> position against enemy -armor-. YOUR armor batallion is assigned the -> task of engaging enemy armor with the TOW standing guard on the -> flanks. The accompanying friendly troops are there to take out the -> enemy personnel. -> I -know- the manner and method of deploying the TOW. It is -useless- -> as an anti-personnel weapon. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 Beta * Origin: IBMNet Connection BBS, Indpls.,IN 317-882-5575 All nodes v34+ (1:231/875) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00072 Date: 07/22/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 11:36pm \/To: STEVE HENDERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: TOW -> SH> From what I remember of it (it was already "obsolete" when I went -> in), SH> the barrel will not depress far enough to even hit the -> -horizon-. -> GP> Well just when did you go in? I fired the M109-A1 self-propelled -> 155 GP> gun in state guard at Fort Hood just several years ago. I -> asked how GP> they engaged an enemy attacking their position. They -> said they used GP> bore sighting! -> 1977. Your point? -> -> Just because something has been -used- in a particular capacity means -> nothing. Of course it means something. It means it "can" do something even if it was not "intended" that way. -> Hammers are designed to drive nails. Just because they've also been -> used to commit homicide takes nothing from their designed function. Right. But if you are attacked and your life is threatened, and all you got is a hammer, whatcha gonna do? -> Just because indirect fire weaponry has been used as a direct fire -> weapon has nothing to do with their designed function. Out in the field what really counts is what it CAN do, not what it was "designed" to do. If a piece of equipment CAN do something that it was not "intended" to do, and if doing it saves the lives of YOUR men, then so be it. The lives of men on your side, and the lives of innocents, are more important than equipment, and even more important than what a book says about your equipment. Another example: Explosives were not "intended" to heat the ?-rations in Vietnam, but I know a demolitions man who used plenty of it to heat his and his buddies food. As the saying goes, "If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid." --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 Beta * Origin: IBMNet Connection BBS, Indpls.,IN 317-882-5575 All nodes v34+ (1:231/875) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00073 Date: 07/20/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 03:20am \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alert -=> Quoting Nolan Penney to Max Lake <=- NP> You are forgetting that *Congress* and *_only_* Congress can make and NP> pass the laws that take your guns. Not the President. If Congress NP> was as pro-gun as people claim them to be now that they have a NP> Republican majority, there'd be no problem or danger. Good point. NP> Now why is it that with a several year old Republican majority NP> Congress Dole, the Senior Speaker, *refused* to remove anti-gun laws, NP> or pass pro- gun laws? Its because of the anti-gun fanaticism of Dole/Gingrich, & no other reason. All kinds of pro-gun repeals could have been attached to GATT, Terror Bill, etc., & Klinton would have belly-ached while he signed them all! Clearly, the Dole/Gingrich Traitors are the problem . . . now Max wants to make it president . . . . ! --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00074 Date: 07/20/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 03:24am \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alert -=> Quoting Nolan Penney to Mike Copeland <=- MC>but I just don't see it, yet. Therefore, I feel that a vote for MC>anyone but Dole is a vote for Clinton and more gun control, MC>particularly in the area of judicial appointments. -Mike NP> Sounds great and grand. But since the republican Congress hasn't NP> bothered to do _anything_ about gun control, except create more of it, NP> why on earth do you think it would suddenly work better with a NP> republican President? There's really no reason to think that, other NP> then a wish. Golly, maybe someday gun owners will realize that the Repubs are anti-gun! --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00075 Date: 07/20/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 03:29am \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 1 times) Subj: Alert -=> Quoting Dan Arico to Max Lake <=- DA> Do you trust Dole not to push for "strengthening the GCA 68" as he DA> said he wanted to do? We've got a choice between *two* anti-gun DA> candidates. Oh great! GCA '68 is what's strangled the life out of the gun industry ever since '68. Its what ATF uses to harass gun dealers & owners. It's so strict now, with every violation a 2nd degree Federal Felony (10 'n 10). What Mr. Dole is talking about when he says he wants to "strengthen" it, is Brady II. Wasn't Dole one of the authors of Brady I? --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00076 Date: 07/20/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 03:36am \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Alert -=> Quoting Max Lake to Nolan Penney <=- NP> And Dole's made the same promise. *Listen* to him, *look* at his track NP> record. He's rabid anti gun, even though he wears camo. ML> Dole has NOT come out in favor of the prohibition of private hand ML> gun ownership. Slick Willy has. Oh no? Dole engineered the passage of the Brady Bill, himself! Anyone, like Dole, who is for purchase restriction harassment, is an anti-gun extremeist & will surely promote prohibition of pistol ownership. You don't mind if Dole takes your rifle? NP> You are forgetting that *Congress* and *_only_* Congress can make and NP> pass the laws that take your guns. Not the President. If Congress was NP> as pro-gun as people claim them to be now that they have a Republican NP> majority, there'd be no problem or danger. ML> But the president can veto a bill, and it takes 2/3 of congress to ML> override it, not a simple majority. The Reps have not had 2/3 in ML> years. And the Repubs could have tacked the repeal onto GATT, Terror Bill, or any other Fascist bill & Klinton would sign it. The point you are missing is that Bob Dole is ACTIVELY BLOCKING repeal of the mag-ban . . . . & _you_ are going to vote for him! --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00077 Date: 07/20/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 03:49am \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra -=> Quoting Max Lake to Dan Arico <=- ML> Unless it's enough to override a veto, it won't do us any good. The ML> republican congress sure didn't do us any good going after Clinton ML> "with everything they've got". The Repub Congress threw-in with Klinton! Why didn't they attach a "Crime" Bill repeal to Klinton's Terror Bill & then watch him sign it? DA> Look, Dole has said that he would veto a repeal of the AW ban. ML> No he didn't. What he said was he didn't expect it to make it to ML> his desk if elected. Meaning of course, that he would fight it all the way to his desk! If you want to go & vote anti-gun, vote for the "man" that stands in the way of the repeal of the mag ban, the go ahead. Why not just write-in Schumer on your ballot? --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00078 Date: 07/20/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 04:23am \/To: CRAZY 8 (Read 1 times) Subj: AMT Backup -=> Quoting Crazy 8 to ALL <=- CM(>winchester takes 2 & 3/4 or 3 what is the difference between the two C8> Teh difference is in the shot count or weight. You can "fit" more in C8> the longer casing. Also, there are different types of 3". C8> High brass is mostly loaded in a "magnum" capacity, and gives higher C8> velocity to a larger payload. Magnums shotshells carry more lead & less velocity . . . same as happens when you switch from 150 gr bullets in your '06, to 220 grain projectiles. --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00079 Date: 07/21/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 01:29pm \/To: JAMES CARRILLO (Read 1 times) Subj: Hand Gun Selection -=> Quoting James Carrillo to All <=- JC> I've been a rifle man all my life and only recently acquired a few JC> handguns. But alittle advice from the experienced would be helpful. JC> I'am lookin for a handgun (.380) range, double action, clip feed semi JC> auto that can be carried on ones person. New or used for under $300.00 Its single-action & closer to $400, but I think the ultimate carrying .380 is Colt's Mustang Pocketlite. The reason its so much smaller & lighter (12.5 oz) than everyone elses is because it uses a slide/barrel locking system like the Govt Model .45, so the slide can be made small & light. All the other .380's are simple blow-back, & therefore must have a large, heavey slide to keep it closed until the bullet has exited the muzzle & pressure has dropped to a safe level. That's why the Colt 380 is more expensive than most. However, Walther charges even more for its outdated PPK, which is larger & heavier & cheaper to produce because it has an old blow-back slide. --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00080 Date: 07/21/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 04:39pm \/To: DAVE APPEL (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra -=> Quoting Dave Appel to John Perz <=- DA> Republicans voted for the full-auto ban in 1986. A Republican DA> president, a World War II veteran himself, banned imported DA> military rifles in 1990. Republicans voted for the Brady Act. DA> Republicans voted for the the semi-auto and magazine ban. DA> Republicans voted for the Terror-Bill. Republican leaders, Newt DA> Gingrich and Bob Dole, BOTH blocked the repeal of the DA> semi-auto/magazine ban. DA> Gosh darn it, Republicans ARE NOT friends of the Right to Keep DA> and Bear Arms! DA> Clinton and the congressional democrats have eroded gun rights, DA> but have done MORE for rights-awareness and gun ownership than 12 DA> years of Reagan-Bush. Think of the millions of NEW gun sales and DA> NEW gun owners and NEW gun-rights activists that are DIRECTLY DA> attributable to the Brady Act and the 1994 Semi-auto and magazine DA> ban. Would all those millions of SKS's and MAK-90's have been DA> sold if the politicians had not been telling people they should DA> be outlawed? I personally know people who bought either their DA> first gun or additional guns just because of Brady and the 1994 DA> Act. Due to the Repubs actual track record since GCA '68, I think that if someone wanted to vote anti-gun, but do it so that the least immediate damage be done to RKBA, then they sould vote Democrat! --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91)