--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00061 Date: 07/22/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 03:17pm \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: AMT Backup Max was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about AMT Backup ML> I dunno, they have an absolutely horrible reputation for quality ML> among the folks I know. Not real popular around here. It's come down to I don't think I'm gonna be able to afford another .380 real soon. Unless you perhaps know somebody would like to buy a nice 3 bedroom in Phoenix? "You are not entitled to an opinion." An opinion is what you have when you don't have any facts. When you have the facts, you don't need an opinion." ... Anybody who goes to a shrink ought to have his head examined --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ (602) 274-9921 (1:114/260) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00062 Date: 07/22/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 03:20pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Letter to Harry Browne John was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Letter to Harry Browne JP> Of course, a strongly pro-2nd VP pick reverses the logic, and becomes JP> yet another argument to vote for Dole. I see your line of thinking, although I don't know if I agree or not because I'm just not ready to make a decision. Question: how is the scenario affected by your perception of Dole's chances? I.e. if it's a lost cause IYHO going in, would it affect your vote? "You are not entitled to an opinion." An opinion is what you have when you don't have any facts. When you have the facts, you don't need an opinion." ... Cowboy foreplay: "Git in the truck" --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ (602) 274-9921 (1:114/260) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00063 Date: 07/22/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 03:22pm \/To: T OWEN (Read 1 times) Subj: CCWs in bars T was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about CCWs in bars PN> There are some states that allow carry on business premises by the TO> That's a good idea. I shall look into it. Thanks for the input. I would just again strongly caution that local law varies considerable, what may be acceptable one place is frowned upon across the street. Standard Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are those of the poster only, and are not necessarily those of this bbs, net or any organization. This poster does not advocate the initiation of force or any illegal act. Any statement accompanied by a "" or "" is intended as humor and should be construed as such. 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All agreements will be adjudicated in an Arizona court, which law will apply. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ (602) 274-9921 (1:114/260) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00064 Date: 07/22/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 2:09:am \/To: DAVID D'AGROSA (Read 1 times) Subj: Old Ammo -=> Quoting David D'agrosa to All on 21 Jul 96 00:10 <=- Re: Old Ammo DD> I just received some old (2-3 years) ammo that has been stored in a DD> hot storage shed for most of that time. DD> While logic alone would say to get rid of it, I was wondering if DD> anyone out there would care to enlighten me on whether this ammo would DD> be safe to fire, or if I should dispose of it. DD> And, should the reply be to dispose of it, what is a safe way to do DD> this? Obviously if I am not supposed to use the ammo, I shouldn't try DD> to dispose of it by firing it off. DD> Any info would be greatly appreciated. Actually, metallic cartridges are pretty stable. You may not want to fire it while the cartridge itself is hot (some powders burn faster when hot, potentially leading to excessive pressures), but it should be fine otherwise. Barring really excessive heat or severe temperature changes, there is no reason to treat this ammo different from any other. (For all you know, any ammo you buy in a store might have been stored in a hot warehouse for a while, but it's perfectly fine for use.) Steve ... <> --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00065 Date: 07/22/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:46pm \/To: DAVID R. NORTON (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: KICKED OUT OF DENNY' -=>> Quoting Lyle Knox to Rd Thompson <=- RT>> "This permit DOES NOT authorize you to carry a prohibited RT>> weapon as defined by law. This permit DOES NOT authorize RT>> you to carry a weapon into an establishment prohibiting RT>> weapons." LK>> Right, but there's no =statute= on the books stating that to do so is LK>> in and of itself a prosecutable offense. Trespass and DOC are about LK>> the only things that they can nail you on. DRN> Arizona Revised Statutes, 13-3102. Misconduct involving DRN> weapons; defenses; classifications; definitions. DRN> A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by DRN> knowingly: DRN> 10. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering any DRN> public establishment or attending any public event and DRN> carrying a deadly weapon on his person after a DRN> reasonable request by the operator of the establishment DRN> or the sponsor of the event; DRN> Note: a properly posted sign is a "reasonable request". Only if you see it. :-) If an establishment's =unposted=, the staff still has to see you carrying before they ask you to leave. DRN> You're right about criminal trespass, see ARS 13-1502, A. DRN> 1. They can nail you on this only if you refuse to leave. If you leave and do so without making a fuss, there's nothing chargeable whereas in other states it seems that you =could= be charged even if you left quietly on request. Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00066 Date: 07/22/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 11:03pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: KEY RACES, Part 2 of 2 JP> North Carolina: Republican Senator Jesse Helms, one of the most JP> reliable pro-gun votes in the U.S. Senate will have a tough race JP> against anti-gun former mayor of Charlotte, Harvey Gantt. I _live_ in this state and have for a long time. Gantt is a very weak candidate. He is backed mostly by out-of-state liberals, much of his financing coming from Hollywood...something that's no secret down here!! He's seen as a "quota king" as a result of his profiting from a business deal on a minority-set-aside broadcast license which he resold soon after to whites...an issue that hits Gantt among blacks too, because they see him as a sellout on it. Quotas were a major issue in his last try, and the quota issue will hit Gantt even harder now due to the "downsizing" economy and fiercer competition for good jobs. Gantt isn't a skilled campaigner. His fans have very unrealistic expectations for him, as they did last time. For Gantt to win, he'd need to get every black vote and a very high share of those white voters left over after subtracting out those whites who'd just never vote for a black candidate. JP> The Fourth Congressional District, which takes in Raleigh and Chapel JP> Hill is extra-important for the gun rights movement. Former New York JP> City police officer Fred Heineman, who served as Raleigh's Police JP> Chief for 15 years and is the freshman congressman, is an important JP> voice for the gun rights movement in Congress because of his law JP> enforcement experience. Having won last time out by less than a JP> thousand votes, he is a key target of the gun grabbers who can't JP> stand JP> to see a pro-gun law enforcement spokesman. But is his opponent _credible_? --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00067 Date: 07/21/96 From: JAMES CARRILLO Time: 07:42am \/To: STEVE GUNHOUSE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Hand Gun Selection SG> JC> I've been a rifle man all my life and only recently acquired a SG> few JC> handguns. But alittle advice from the experienced would be SG> helpful. JC> I'am lookin for a handgun (.380) range, double action, SG> Personally, I opted for a single action - a Colt .380 for about $400. SG> The trigger on the Makarov wasn't to my liking, and the Bersa was SG> just too thick for concealment in my judgement. But don't judge SG> quality single actions on the basis of a cheap Davis. Thanks Steve, I wonder sometimes why I ever bought that davis. hell the action was sooooo bad I was afraid to carry it for fear I'd shoot myself!!... I payed $150.00 new for it in Vegas but when it came time to sell all the experienced guys whipped out their wholesale books and showed me where it was worth only $50.00 so I was lucky to get $75.00 for it after only one year and never used... * SFEMB 0.51 [TS80069] --- Alexi/Mail 2.02a (#10000) * Origin: The_Kinky_Korner_BBS_805-533-8917_PalmDale_CA. (1:2004/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00068 Date: 07/22/96 From: HTOM TRITES Time: 12:35pm \/To: DAVID D'AGROSA (Read 1 times) Subj: Old Ammo DD> I just received some old (2-3 years) ammo that has been stored in a hot DD> storage shed for most of that time. DD> While logic alone would say to get rid of it, I was wondering if anyone DD> out there would care to enlighten me on whether this ammo would be safe DD> to fire, or if I should dispose of it. DD> And, should the reply be to dispose of it, what is a safe way to do DD> this? Obviously if I am not supposed to use the ammo, I shouldn't try DD> to dispose of it by firing it off. DD> Any info would be greatly appreciated. I guess the serious question is "how hot is hot", but I'm unable to evaluate the answer. I'm still shooting some ammo that I bought in the 60s, that has been stored in unheated garages from -40 to >100f since then; it seems to be working fine. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: SpareCom: Internet email and Fidonet (1:282/62) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00069 Date: 07/22/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 11:23pm \/To: RD THOMPSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: NRA -> What will you call it when Clinton ushers in Brady II? I have every confidence that Dole will usher in Brady II also. And maybe when Brady II comes up for a vote, the elite skeet shooters and the target shooters will finally get off their duff and realize that THEIR guns and THEIR ammo are on the line too. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 Beta * Origin: IBMNet Connection BBS, Indpls.,IN 317-882-5575 All nodes v34+ (1:231/875) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBT00070 Date: 07/22/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 11:25pm \/To: CRAZY 8 (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Hand Gun Selection -> MS(>JC> I'am lookin for a handgun (.380) range, double action, clip -> feed semi MS(>JC> auto -> MS(>JC> that can be carried on ones person. New or used for under -> $300.00 ?? -> MS(> Makarov...fires a cartridge similar to .380 -> -> MS(>--- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) -> MS(> * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of -> '76 * MS(>(1:3644/8) -> -> But not the same...You cannot use .380 ACP ammunition in the Makarov. You can if it's a Makarov chambered for .380 acp! Which many of them are! BTW, use your REAL NAME, or LEAVE the echo. The moderator. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 Beta * Origin: IBMNet Connection BBS, Indpls.,IN 317-882-5575 All nodes v34+ (1:231/875)