--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00014 Date: 07/17/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 09:45am \/To: TED DARBY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: okc bombing TD>THE NEW AMERICAN VOL. 12 NO. 15 TD>JULY 22, 1996 TD>PG. 12 TD>INSIDE REPORT TD>STRASSMEIR, OKC, AND THE CIA TD>In the June 24th issue of The New American ("More Pieces to the TD>OKC Puzzle"), we reported on Andreas "Andi" Strassmeir, a former TD>lieutenant in the German army and son of one of Germany's leading TD>politicians, and his links to Timothy McVeigh and a bizarre TD>"Christian Identity" commune in rural Oklahoma. Interesting reading, but what was the point? Both of the article and your posting it. It didn't tie to anything. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00015 Date: 07/17/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 10:02am \/To: CLOYCE OSBORN (Read 1 times) Subj: Stock fitting CO>I've fitted a few in my time. The ideal is to cobble bits and pieces CO>onto the stock or shave off parts until it's right, take measurements CO>and then make a new stock to those measurements (well, the ultimate CO>ideal would be to have an adjustable "try stock" such as used by the CO>custom shotgun makers in England during the glory days of their CO>craft). Iv'e thought about making a try stock myself, just for the heck of it. I've also kicked around the idea of making a permanent try stock for some of the guns as well. It would look ugly as all get out, but could be real interesting. Beretta's got essentially that on one of their new shotguns. You can adjust length, offset and comb height. Interesting, _very_ interesting. Like you, I play with scraps, wedges, rubber bands and duct tape. That's how I've gotten the .22 nearly perfect for me, but now quite the shotgun. .22's a whole lot more forgiving then the shotgun. Right now though, the shotguns _real_ close. The kicker for the shotgun especially is I can't really make it perfect because I may be out there shooting in nothing but a t-shirt, or bundled under several inches of winter clothes. Which of course completely changes the way the gun fits. CO>For a comb (what you were referring to as a crown) that's too high, a CO>wood rasp and some sandpaper fixes that real nice. I think the shotguns is too high, but not by much. I don't want to simply rasp it down though. Instead, my thoughts are to play with cutting the top of it off and reattaching it with screws. That way I can use shim pieces or spacers and have it adjustable for different types of shooting. I could also play with a nice soft pad for my cheek as well. The mousepad was a great idea, but seems to fail in execution. CO>For a comb that's CO>too low, you'll have to add some height - probably by attaching a CO>wooden spacer or rubber pad to the top of the comb. Bear in mind, CO>though, that you probably won't be able to get the comb to the right CO>height for both iron sights and a scope - especially if you insist on CO>using those worthless "see through" rings (they were made to sell to CO>the less knowledgable, not to shoot accurately). I don't switch between the two on any given weapon of mine. The .22 has a scope because its iron sights are horrible, the shotgun actually has iron sights. Or a strap on plastic rear sight and front bead. No scope. Don't think I really want a scope for a shotgun, and there isn't a mount made for this shotgun. At least I've never seen a mount made for an old Winchester 1897. CO>For a stock that's too short, lengthen it by adding a hard rubber CO>recoil pad. Quick and easy to do. Gasp, another fan of hard shoulder pieces? I bought several years ago a generic squishy recoil pad. Fired it once, and ripped it off. Damn those things hurt you everywhere else, and royally screw up your shot. As long as that gun is tucked back hard, I generally have no problem with recoil from much of anything. Especially if the butt of the stock is shaped to fit my shoulder profile. It's when I hold lose or the gun does something like jab the toe into my armpit or chest that I get hurt and bruised. CO>For one that's too long, grit CO>your teeth and saw the appropriate length of the butt. I'd recommend getting or making a scrap stock first and cutting that one up before cutting up a good stock. I made my own stock for the shotgun. Wasn't willing to hack the original. Next time I make a stock I'm going to make it a laminate stock instead of trying to drill a straight hole about 18" long. Use a router instead, and glue the two pieces together. If I were to screw the pieces together instead it would also make it far easier to play games with making into an adjustable stock as well. In fact, I've been kicking around the idea of making yet another stock this way, so I can play with offset. The europeans use this to great effect apparently. I'd like to at least try it. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00016 Date: 07/17/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 10:48am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra JP>-> That's fine, but since Dole is about as gun grabbing as Clinton, JP>-> aren't you punishing yourself and the 2nd amendment just as much? JP>So what should we do, Nolan? Hold our breath till our faces turn JP>blue? Either Dole or Clinton is gonna be the next president of these JP>United States. People who don't recognize that fact are, as they JP>say, "reality challenged". Nobodys said anything much about it being anyone but Dole or Clinton. But that doesn't mean I have to toss my hat in with what I despise just because it's going to win. I knew the terrorism bill was going to become law. I did _not_ tell me congress critter I wanted it because it was going to win. Which is really what you're saying we should do here. I don't back whatever looks likely to win simply to claim "victory". I'd rather stand true to my believes and convictions. That is far more honorable and honest, in my opinion. JP>Plus, I continue to delude myself that Dole's Supreme Court nominees JP>would be at least marginally better for us than Hilary's would. Maybe, but since Dole's voted for whatever Clinton nominated without hesitation I don't see why. If Dole has no objections to the type of people Clinton nominates why on earth would Doles nominations be any different? JP>But lets face reality. The real problem facing us this fall is JP>keeping a pro 2nd majority in control of Congress. Keeping a pro 2nd majority? I don't think we've gotten one yet. Oh they claimed to be this as they ran, but they sure haven't voted this way. Nah, they're just as quick as those they replaced to destroy the 2nd amendment as well as the rest of the document. That terrorist bill/law/act whatever is one of the most horrible things to ever come out of Congress against the Constitution. And it came from these so called 2nd amendment members. I fail to see the difference between republicans grabbing my guns and democrats grabbing my guns. JP>Keeping a Clinton re-election from having a coat-tail effect is JP>enough reason right there to vote for Dole. Not that the lying JP>bastard deserves it. He gets a free ride by being part of the JP>package. If the lying bastard doesn't deserve it, why are you going to give it to him? I don't deserve your guns either, but why not give them to me instead of him? I'll at least take better care of them then he will. --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00017 Date: 07/17/96 From: NOLAN PENNEY Time: 01:42pm \/To: JOHN DONOHUE (Read 1 times) Subj: You, me & them JD>You left out rifle guys vs. pistol guys; and JD>shotgunners vs. both. Call's to mind what somebody (Ben Franklin?) JD>said in the 1760's, "Gentlemen, we must all hang together, or we will JD>most assuredly all be hanged separately" I get the impression that JD>the rank and file of shooters paid even less attention in history JD>class then I did. :-( Oye, where was my head! You are so so very right. I've been known to need a smack upside the head on this one on occasion. While pondering the need for purchasing so many "cop killer" type "assault pistons" and such I've needed a reminder from time to time that need and want have nothing to do with it. Rights, Constitutional rights are what it's about. --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: The GreyHawk BBS Columbia, MD 410-720-5083 USR V.34 (1:261/1116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00018 Date: 07/16/96 From: JACKSON DRYDEN Time: 06:25pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Plastic NP> But if you as a business try to tell me that we have to have the dancing NP> cow to conduct business, or that you have to have me fill out all these NP> forms, especially if you give me a song and dance about "someone" NP> requiring it, I'll push back. Don't try to tell me we have to have cows Nolan, A few years ago some jerk salesman at an auto dealership said that I would have to fill out a credit application even though I was paying cash for the car. I told him to shove it. Now, I can't believe that I don't think twice when I get the same request from a gun dealer. Sheeesh!!!! I think that from now on I will just keep looking until I find a private individual who wants to sell me the gun I want! jackson --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: http://WWW.NASHVILLE.COM * Modem: 615-383-0727 (1:116/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00019 Date: 07/16/96 From: JACKSON DRYDEN Time: 06:29pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Kevlar vests NP> handgun you could do quite well in hasty situations if you got into the NP> habit of using your middle finger as a trigger finger, and laying the NP> index finger along the barrel. You then would point the gun pretty NP> nearly where you would point your finger, which is a pretty instinctual NP> action. Works. Won't make a master bulls eye blaster of you, but for NP> snap type shooting, by jove you're in there. Nolan, I guess thats OK if there is a layer of nomex between your finger and some of the "micro" guns that I've handled, but, unprotected, that technique could prove to be a very painful experience. jackson --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: http://WWW.NASHVILLE.COM * Modem: 615-383-0727 (1:116/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00020 Date: 07/17/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 10:39am \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Plastic NP> I'm still trying to figure out this "they had bomb making material" NP> garbage. I can't imagine any household that doesn't have bomb making NP> material. I'm begining to think I'm the only person who thinks there's NP> a world of difference between having "bomb making" materials and NP> actually making bombs. I agree with you. From what I have read, the Feds are basing a lot of their arguement on quantity. Let's face it, 3 or 4 drums of fertilizer is a lot for your typical suburban back yard. What really scares me is when the govt decides to do something about folks who have the "materials" to commit rape......:-{ --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * Toy guns are immoral. Get your kid a toy condom for Xmas.. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00021 Date: 07/17/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 10:39am \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alert NP> So vote libertarian. NP> You'll lose, for now, but at least that way you stop compromising NP> yourself and your convictions. You may feel good about yourself, but we will lose our guns. I will give up some of my "feel good about myself" to protect myself. If Clinton gets re-elected, we can kiss our guns good bye. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * *The Davidians' door is stored beside JFK's brain. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00022 Date: 07/17/96 From: MICHAEL HENDERSON Time: 11:09am \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra In your msg to Nolan Penney, dated <16 Jul 96 20:39>, it said: >NP> That's fine, but since Dole is about as gun grabbing as Clinton, >NP> aren't you punishing yourself and the 2nd amendment just as much? >NP> > > Dole ain't the greatest friend we ever had, but there is no way he > would be as bad as a "I don't ever have to face the voters again" > Clinton. That's the way I felt until he backed away from repeal of the ban. I've been thinking the past few days.... What I've decided is that, come election day, if it looks pretty obvious that Dole isn't going to win I'm going to vote Libertarian (for President, still Republican for other races). That way when the votes are counted there will be something tangible for the GOP to consider when they try to analyze the reasons for their loss. I'm also going to write a letter saying pretty much this to the local, state, and nation campaign chairmen. I want to make it extremely clear that gun owners will _not_ be taken for granted, that backing away from the repeal diminishes the distinction between Clinton and Dole, and that we can punish those who break their promises by withholding our votes and casting them for yet another choice. What I won't put in the letter is that, in a very close race, I will most likely hold my nose and vote for Dole, hoping that he will be more malleable than a lame duck, avowed anti-gun SOB should a repeal bill come to the White House for a Presidentialsignature. :-) mdh --- RBBSMail v18.3b6 * Origin: Gas Company -Arlington, TX (817)572-0297 (1:130/37.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBM00023 Date: 07/17/96 From: T OWEN Time: 02:18am \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Denny'S Don'T Have F -=> Quoting Dan Arico to T Owen <=- TO> This is true, and unfortunate, as I see it. I have left my pistol in TO> my truck on occasion, such as when I am working (live sound TO> engineer) in a venue that serves alcohol, but it doesn't seem like a TO> good idea, since someone could break in to steal something visible, TO> and end up with a very nice pistol. :-( DA> They make steal strongboxes about the right size to keep a handgun in. DA> You could get one of those and bolt it to a flat surface in the truck. I have considered this. I have not looked into the legality of leaving a loaded firearm in a locked box in a vehicle, so I don't know whether it would do the trick, legally. DA> It would, of course, be much better if the law just made it illegal to DA> carry while intoxicated. I assumed that it was illegal to carry while intoxicated; isn't it? In my case it is a different situation though, since I often work in bars, and altough I am there to work, not to consume alcohol, I am still prohibited from carrying. This is unfortunate, since I usually carry upwards of $50,000 worth of sound gear to these places, and would prefer to be armed. I guess you can't have everything, huh? Take care. ... ...Gun Control? 4 shots 1 hole! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127)