--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00040 Date: 07/06/96 From: JOHN SANDOW Time: 12:03pm \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Self Defense ML> JP> If you live in NYC and own a vacation home in Florida, you can claim ML> JP> the Florida home as your principal residence, get a Fla. CCW, and ML> JP> under this new, proposed law, it will be good in NYC. ML> What new law is that? ML> Under most state statute, the CCW is only good in the state issued. A ML>Flordia license will not work in NY, just like my Texas one won't. According to the State laws as downloaded from the NRA web page last week, Indiana seems to allow CCW per it's restrictions if the out of state person has a valid CCW from their state. I swear, the more I learn about Indiana, the more I like it. SLMR 2.0 I'd love to, but I'm building a pig from a kit. * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02 (#10000) * Origin: -= N I G H T L I N E =- Home Of GameNet '95 (1:115/815) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00041 Date: 07/06/96 From: JOHN SANDOW Time: 12:05pm \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Nra vote ML> "Vetting; The act of driving around town in a 2 seat Chevrolet ML> automobile in search of nubile females". ML> * OFFLINE 1.56 * American kids have Nintendo; Japanese kids have mework. Japanese kids have relavent schoolwork and homework, American kids have a liberal agenda meted out at a rate that would bore a brick. My tots are going nowhere near a public school. SLMR 2.0 I'm going to U.K., remind me to set my watch back 500 yrs * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02 (#10000) * Origin: -= N I G H T L I N E =- Home Of GameNet '95 (1:115/815) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00042 Date: 07/06/96 From: JOHN SANDOW Time: 12:11pm \/To: TURIYAN GOLD (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: bowling pins TG>::To:Paul From:Charles Subject:bowling pins -Turiyan is always right. TG>06-29-96 18:20 TG> CF> Does anybody know about the sport of shooting bowling pins. For TG> CF> example size of table,number of pins, distance to shoot from, etc? TG> PN> First you have to distract the guys who're bowling... TG>And a REALLY BIG gun. BTW, does anyone have loading data for bowling TG>balls? A bowling ball will compress and form quite well if you shave it down enough to jam it into the chamber of an 8" artillery gun. Muzzle velocity was reputed to be in the realm of double digit mach number, no data on flight ballistics, just low penetration and lots of quick energy transfer at the terminal end of the flight. SLMR 2.0 I'm not a conservative, I'm just anti-irresponsibility. * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02 (#10000) * Origin: -= N I G H T L I N E =- Home Of GameNet '95 (1:115/815) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00043 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: KEVLAR VESTS LK>>I remember reading an article in Guns & Ammo a few years back that said LK>>that the Law School of St. Louis University did a study that showed that JS> cops LK>>were about 10% less effective than civilians in stopping a crime or bad LK>>wguy LK>>(whether they shoot or not) and were about 10% MORE LIKELY than civilians LK>>(to LK>>shoot a bystander. (The actual numbers were 9% and 11% but I can never LK>>remember which number goes with which stat. :-) ) JS> Citizens legally and justifiably shoot and kill between 2-3 JS> times as many criminals every year, compared to police. JS> This based on info in the 1995 GOA fact sheet as reported JS> by Gary Kleck. What I was reporting was in a '92 or '93 Guns & Ammo and were strictly =percentages= based on total errors versus total incidents. Actual totals weren't given in the article. Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00044 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: PLASTIC PN> I had (am having) an interesting experience with a local PN> major dealer. I purchased a holster and ammo, used PN> plaxtic. The holster was purchased with the understanding PN> that it was exchangeable if it didn't fit, which it PN> didn't. When I returned to exchange it for another of the PN> same price they pushed a form in front of me that had PN> everything but my mother's maiden name on it. They PN> refused to make an even exchange without the information. PN> I felt it was excessive and a violation of my privacy. I PN> choose not to provide most of that information when PN> dealing with _anybody_. While I recognize they are within PN> their rights I don't choose to do business with folks PN> under those conditions. PN> Unfortunately they are going to have to learn exactly who PN> I am when I bounce the credit card puchase -- which is my PN> out. They were running a sale on this line of holsters PN> and they charged me retail at the point of purchase, so I PN> will go back on 'em on that issue. Sure, a lot more PN> trouble than it's really worth, and sure I'm being an PN> asshole, but I'm tired of having my privacy chipped away PN> at at every turn. Um, mind spilling the beans on who it is? Since I'm local, I sure don't want to give these guys any of my hard earned cash if I can help it. E-mail me if you don't want to go public with this info. Thanks. Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00045 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: GUNS, CATS, & MICROWAVES NP>>If not, a drive to the local air port will work. Just climb a ladder to NP>>one of those microwave radars. JS> I've always wondered if i could cook a hotdog on a stick JS> held in front of one of those radars... :-) When we first installed out 900 mhz radio system the tech told me I could skewer a 'dog on the antenna on my truck, key the mike for about 2 minutes and have a nice hot weiner. :-) LOTS of warnings about not getting within 24 inches of the antenna during ops. :-) Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00046 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: NRA VOTE EP>> No, that's a "vetting process". Public education is getting EP>> worse and worse. EP NP> I apologize. I thought perhaps you'd made a typographical NP> error, and corrected it myself to its logical use in NP> conversation with you. I see now you claim otherwise. NP> No dictionary in my office contains the word vett or NP> vetting. Perhaps public education is getting better. At NP> least I knew it wasn't a word, and attempted to extend to NP> you good grace by simply continuing the conversation. I NP> rather doubt your teacher from the good ole days would NP> approve of you attempting to make up words to cover a NP> non-existant problem. --- Nolan, I think that "vetting" might be a shortening of the word "brevetting" as I've also seen it used in the context in which Earnie used it in many, mainly military, stories. The context which Earnie used basically means "officially recognized" from what I can gather. A brevet, of course, is a temporary promotion in rank but without the corresponding salary, according to the dictionary. You can see how the meanings are somewhat similar if you think about it. Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00047 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: T OWEN (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: KICKED OUT OF DENNY'S TO> That's what I do if I have an alternative, but sometimes TO> the only place open may not be cool with firearms, and I TO> can't legally leave my pistol in the truck, so there I am. I'd almost bet that if someone with lots of money gets busted for this that one or the other of those laws would be overturned. In the mean time, a few people are going to be meat for the grinder. :-( Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00048 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: SELF DEFENSE JP>> If you live in NYC and own a vacation home in Florida, you can claim JP>> the Florida home as your principal residence, get a Fla. CCW, and JP>> under this new, proposed law, it will be good in NYC. ML> ML> What new law is that? ML> ML> Under most state statute, the CCW is only good in the ML> state issued. A Flordia license will not work in NY, ML> just like my Texas one won't. Some states have reciprocity for other states' permits, just like they recognize drivers' licenses and marriage licenses (unless you're from Hawaii and gay). :-) I know that it's relatively easy for someone to get a temporary FL CCW permit if you hold a valid one from your home state. Wyoming was also considering this but I never heard what happened up there. There =is= a move afoot in Congress to pass a national law that says that any state that issues a CCW shall also honor all other states' permits even though the standards to get one vary from state-to-state. Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DBD00049 Date: 07/08/96 From: LYLE KNOX Time: 10:18pm \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: NRA VOTE NP>> No dictionary in my office contains the word vett or vetting. ML> ML> "Vetting; The act of driving around town in a 2 seat ML> Chevrolet automobile in search of nubile females". Except my wife picked =me= up in =her= Vette. :-) We've got an '86 sitting in the garage as I type. Lyle --INTERNET: lyle.knox@iotp.com OR lyle.knox@technoid.com --FIDO: 1:114/237 RIME: INNPARK/1037 --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3P SW10419 * Origin: Inn on The Park - RIME/FIDO/Intelec/UUCP (1:114/237)