--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00026 Date: 06/24/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 12:36pm \/To: CARLOS MARTINEZ (Read 3 times) Subj: Tommy Gun CM> do you know how much Tommy Guns run?...this guy I know is letting one CM> go for about $150....it's an original with 3 straight mags.... If it's the "real thing", it's worth a lot more than that, but I don't have an accurate number. It is also subject to Federal regulation as a full auto weapon. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * Colt .45; The original point-and-click user interface --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00027 Date: 06/24/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 12:36pm \/To: JEFF TAPKE (Read 3 times) Subj: youth shot gun JT> Does anyone here have any suggestions for a starter shotgun for a 10 JT> year old? Saw a rem. 870 in a 20ga that was a youth model, didn't look JT> to bad. any other similar guns in the youth market?? Winchester made some, both under thier name and Sears. Pumps and semi-autos both. Nice guns, and reasonable on the used market. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * "Never breast feed on the first date." Jenny Jones --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00028 Date: 06/24/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 12:36pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 3 times) Subj: counter sniper info JD> But seriously, there have been some recent, rather high tech advances JD> on the anti-sniper front involving both sound and radar technologies. ....snip.... PN> Another mixed blessing coming down the pike. And probably being humped by some poor E-2. :-{ --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * Blind people don't BUNGEE jump. It scares the dog. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00029 Date: 06/22/96 From: JACKSON DRYDEN Time: 08:26pm \/To: JEFF TAPKE (Read 3 times) Subj: kevlar vests JT> -> if you read this echo more, you realize that us police officers, JT> -> can't hit what we shoot at anyway, which is the _real_ reason the JT> -> general citizenry don't need vests. :) JT> JP> gun. Sorry to hear the rest of you aren't up to Jay's andards. JT> I, too, am a firearms intructor, avid reloader and plinker. I tend to be a JT> wee bit better shot then most. But most, suck. Jeff, This weekend I had a scary conversation with a local LEO. He told me that his dept only alloted 240 rounds per year for training and qualification. Now, I'm a poor boy, but I still can usually manage a box a month just to stay in the hunt. I've got a sick feeling that we are creating more victims by failing to provide adequate training for our LEOs. 240 rounds a year!!! That's awful. jackson --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: http://WWW.NASHVILLE.COM * Modem: 615-383-0727 (1:116/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00030 Date: 06/23/96 From: JEFF TROWBRIDGE Time: 04:26pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 3 times) Subj: Cats During the 4th year of the reign of William the Lecherous, Paul Nixon spake thusly to Jeff Trowbridge... JT> I like white wine with my cat. Will that do for dog, or is red JT> more appropriate? PN> Barbarian. You're not the first person to call me that. However, usually it's one of the fairer sex that says it. You're not one of those guys who in touch with his "feminine side", are you? PN> You drink saki with cat. For dog you drink lots of saki first. For PN> monkee you drink even more saki until you pass out and miss dinner. Ok, now I think I got it. :) -JT ... Politics: Poli=many ; tics=small blood sucking insects. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Jeff's point -----> (1:215/705.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00031 Date: 06/23/96 From: LARRY GAULT Time: 01:38pm \/To: MICHAEL GILLIAM (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: cats MG> Response To: GARY WESTFALL (1:105/278) GW(>In Oregon it is legal to shoot dogs that are running loose and GW(>threatening livestock, let alone people. GW(>Feral cats can also be problems. MG> Oh, do they chase livestock too? Farmers, of course, have a right to MG> defend their livelihood, but unless the farmer is raising -- what, MG> guinee pigs? -- I don't see where any farmer needs to defend his MG> livestock from cats. Never had much to do with the farm life, huh? When my Dad first bought his place, there were several covey of wild quail there. Couldn't kick a brush top without flushing a rabbit. Someone opened a trailer park adjoining his property, and lots of nice city folks who "loved their animals" moved in with all their cats. Cats so well loved that their owners couldn't be bothered to keep them off of other people's property, and away from other people's livestock. Cats so beloved that their owners couldn't be bothered to have them neutered. Cats that scratched the paint jobs on our cars, cats that pulled the feet off our tame rabbits (raised around 400 or so at the time), cats that wouldn't stay out of our garbage, cats that would find ways into our quail pens, and leave every one they found dead, just for the sake of killing them, cats that would kill our chickens, cats that would breed indiscriminately, leaving their little feral liters to make sure that the small game population could never regain it's balance. Had you ever found one of your prize rabbits, his feet pulled off through the hardware cloth on the bottom of his cage, you might be able to change your rather uninformed opinion on a farmer defending his livestock from cats. A cat is, above all, a very effecient killing machine. The wild rabbits and quail? They're gone now. Won't find one to save your heinie. MG> Besides, the intent here is obvious: shoot cats MG> for fun. No, not even for fun -- shoot cats because you plain don't MG> like 'em. Nope, I *don't* like 'em. That never caused me to shoot one, though. I do like dogs, and very much so. Still, when the neighbor's dog got into the rabbit hutches, and the neighbor refused to keep him up, I was forced to shoot the dog as well. Didn't enjoy it, but had to do it. My dog is either in the fence, or in the house. That way, I'm sure that he is not damaging any one else's property. Just a *little* common sense tells me that I if I claim to care for an animal, any less would be cruelty on *my* part, not on the part of the person forced to shoot him because of his destructive behavior. ... I brake for small animals...then eat their meat and wear their skins. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Shire (1:3632/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00032 Date: 06/24/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 09:04pm \/To: MICHAEL GILLIAM (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: cats MG> GW(>In Oregon it is legal to shoot dogs that are running loose and MG> GW(>threatening livestock, let alone people. MG> GW(>Feral cats can also be problems. MG> MG> Oh, do they chase livestock too? Farmers, of course, have a right to MG> defend their livelihood, but unless the farmer is raising -- what, MG> guinee pigs? -- I don't see where any farmer needs to defend his MG> livestock from cats. Ever heard of farmers raising _chickens_, ducks, etc? --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00033 Date: 06/24/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:28pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: JPFO data It's titled "Data you can use to destroy gun control." Well, you could if the !@#$ing hoplophobes cared about facts: == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= * Originally By: RIC DUNCAN * Originally To: ALL * Originally Re: JPFO data * Original Date: 18 Jun 96 23:20 * Original Area: PN_FIREARMS * Forwarded by : Blue Wave/386 v2.30 xpost ======== Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: NEW JPFO RESEARCH REPORT! From: "Alan M. Rice" <76500.3727@CompuServe.-0400 The following data has been released by Jay Simkin, Research Director, Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership. F.B.I. DATA YOU CAN USE TO DESTROY "GUN CONTROL" _ FBI data published in annual report, Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, are a heavy-duty tool you can use to destroy "gun control" _ Ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds do not make a firearm more lethal: 95% of the 708 peace officers killed in action between 1985 and end-1994 had 9 or fewer rounds fired at them _ 87 peace officers (12.3%) were killed with their own firearms (1985-94) _ 94 peace officers (13.3%) were killed with any type of rifle (1985-94) _ 24 peace officers (3.4%) were killed with a military-type rifle (1985-94) _ Ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds do not make military-type rifles more lethal: 12 of 24 peace officers (50%) killed with military-type rifles (1985-94) had one round fired at them, and 20 (83%) were killed with fewer than 10 rounds _ 3 peace officers (0.4%) were killed with a fully-automatic firearm (a machinegun) between 1985 and end-1994, only one of which was a rifle _ No peace officer has been killed with a fully-automatic firearm since 1987 _ One peace officer has been killed with a firearm said by the FBI to be an UZI (1990-94) _ One peace officer has been killed with a firearm said by the FBI to be an AK-type rifle (1985-94) _ Two peace officers have been killed with firearms said by the FBI to be SKS-type rifles (1985-94) _ In 22 of 50 states, no peace officer was killed with any rifle between 1985 and 1994 (Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, and Wyoming) To get the full report in the Spring/Summer Firearms Sentinel - which contains even more hard facts you can use to demolish .gun control, - send U.S.$5 to JPFO, Inc., 2872 S. Wentworth Avenue, Milwaukee WI 53207 U.S.A. Price includes first class postage within U.S.; U.S.$5.50 covers airmail postage to any other place. For multiple copies rates, call (414) 769-0790. -!- OLX 2.2 If you don't know your rights.....you don't have any!! -!- GOMail v1.1 [92-0793] ! Origin: Texas Patriot - Patriot Net Dallas TX (214)495-6699 (976:1777/1) ====================================================================== --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00034 Date: 06/24/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:28pm \/To: LYLE KNOX (Read 3 times) Subj: CATS LK> Paul, by any chance are you zoned for small livestock; chickens, Zoned? We aren't. When Avondale annexed this area it didn't have any zoning that conforms to the nature of the properties. They still haven't figured us out. The good part of that, of course, is that when some bureaucritter says "You can't do that," there's no law backing him up . LK> rabbits, etc.? If so, buy a few, then wait for the cats to start LK> predating on them then you'll have a =legal= justification for shooting LK> the cats that even the "cat lady" can't touch. Furthermore, if you That would get me into the ccr's. Horses _only_ are legal, other than household pets. I don't want to open that issue -- so far they ignore the goats, cows, pigs, chickens, rabbits, turkeys etc that many of the neighbors raise... LK> This works very well for the few sheepers who winter their stock in our LK> urban alfalfa fields and have problems with dogs. I know one guy who Oh. I thought those sheep were for target practice... LK> got paid 3 and 4 times for lambs and ewes he lost to dogs; made out LK> better than if he'd not lost them and sold the wool and meat. :-) Cool, anytime a agriculture guy can figger out a way to actually _make_ money off an ag operation. Even if it has to be sheep or pullin' teats or some other activity a real manly man would look down on. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00035 Date: 06/24/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:28pm \/To: LYLE KNOX (Read 3 times) Subj: 10MM .40 & THE FBI PN> That gives me fantasy visions of a citabria outfitted with PN> quad fifties LK> Only problem is that you'd only have capacity for about 10 rounds per LK> gun. Those suckers are =heavy=. :-) Now my little brother knows where Well, I did say it was a "fantasy" . (It's one of the milder ones...) LK> there's about 2 dozen T-28 D models (they have hard points) that are LK> available for sale... :-) Hmmm. What kinda shape are they in, and how hard would it be to get ahold of 'em? --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428)