--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00016 Date: 06/21/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 09:21am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 3 times) Subj: Plastic -=> Quoting John Perz to All on 06-20-96 19:37 <=- Re: Plastic JP> Caught this in the June issue of Wired JP> BEGIN QUOTE JP> Thanks to a new law called the Intelligence Authorization Act of 1996, JP> the FBI now has ready access to your credit card records. Adopted JP> under the usual pretense that such legislation is needed to pursue JP> "important counterterrorist investigations," the law - quietly signed JP> by President Clinton last January - allows the Feds to snoop through JP> basic credit bureau files by obtaining authorization from the director JP> of the FBI or a designee. No messy court orders, search warrants or JP> subpoenas are needed. JP> My Comment: If you own one or more guns that the gubbermint don't JP> know about, you might not want to buy ammo for it with your plastic. JP> Pay cash instead. Not necessary most places I shop. All that appears on the credit card slip is the total, not the specific items or even the type. They don't know what it is I paid x amount for, only where I got it and how much I paid. JP> I know I'm being paranoid. The question is: am I being paranoid JP> **ENOUGH**?!? You're getting there. ;-) Steve ... The Maximum Effective Range of an Excuse is Zero! * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * --- GOMail v1.1 [92-0793] * Origin: Texas Patriot BBS Dallas (214)495-6699 (1:124/4023) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00017 Date: 06/23/96 From: JEFF TAPKE Time: 02:17pm \/To: CHARLES FRENCH (Read 3 times) Subj: kevlar vests JT> if you read this echo more, you realize that us JT> police officers, can't JT> hit what we shoot at anyway, which is the _real_ reason the general JT> citizenry don't need vests. :) JT> jeff CF> If you can't hit what you shoot at (bad guys) then we, the general CF> citizenry, need the vests to protect us from stray bullets. CF> Like I already stated, if we miss, and hit you instead, by the time the media gets ahold of it, you're NOW an "accomplice" :) jeff --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: The NightWatch BBS 309-963-6060 Danvers,IL (1:232/36) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00018 Date: 06/23/96 From: JEFF TAPKE Time: 11:45pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 3 times) Subj: kevlar vests JT> I, too, am a firearms intructor, avid reloader and JT> plinker. I tend to JT> be a wee bit better shot then most. But most, suck. PN> "Most" cops or people? I don't have much experience with the average "joe" other then my hunting companions, so I can't say. But most cops...suck. jeff --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: The NightWatch BBS 309-963-6060 Danvers,IL (1:232/36) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00019 Date: 06/24/96 From: CARLOS MARTINEZ Time: 01:03am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 3 times) Subj: News Item I don't understand why they waste so much time and money trying to ban certain types of guns (or all guns?) instead of trying to seize more of the guns that are stolen?!?!?!... --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: The 4-Sale BBS 24CDRoms/Games/2 Lines (210)684-3332 (1:387/490) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00020 Date: 06/24/96 From: CARLOS MARTINEZ Time: 01:07am \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 3 times) Subj: H&K USP MS> JS> I'll probably be flamed for this, but I see the USP as a MS> very viable MS> JS> evolution of the 1911 for the year 2000. I'm sure there MS> are some MS> JS> preferred features of the 1911 over the USP, but you can't MS> beat the MS> JS> performance! :-) MS> I've only read about it. Have you seen or shot one? I've picked one up...I like the way they look but I hate the way the grip feels!...I like the Sig Sauer though....I'm going to pick one up at the next gun show.... -Los --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: The 4-Sale BBS 24CDRoms/Games/2 Lines (210)684-3332 (1:387/490) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00021 Date: 06/23/96 From: DAVE APPEL Time: 01:49pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 3 times) Subj: Plastic -> The actual purchases should not show up on credit bureau (TRW, etc) -> reports. Only the range of dollar amounts and prompness ao payment. -> -> Hmmn. If that's all they're getting, I'm not quite sure why they'd -> want to bother checking the reports in the first case. Any of the -> spooks here care to comment on just what the they could deduce from -> such information? Credit card companies *do* classify types of merchants. One year, I got a summary on my last statement of the year that showed how much I spent at each 'type' of store/merchant. Also, stores that scan UPC codes, such as grocery stores, and whose credit card machines are tied into the cash register, also tie the UPC codes of your purchases to the credit card account number in a store-owned database. Kroger does this, as testified to by programmers who work for Kroger corporate headquarters. Kroger then sells this information to direct marketers. Also, stores that offer you a special kind of rebate/discount/membership/check-cashing card do the same thing. So if you pay by check, and they run your check-cashing card through the register, they make the link with the UPC codes to your account. Even if you pay by cash, but you present the membership card to get a "special bonus" based on the amount of purchases, the same tie-in is made. The rebates or bonuses are the carrot to get you to use the membership card. This has two purposes. One, to get you to do all your shopping at that store to get the maximum discount/bonus. And, two, to build a database of what each "member" buys. The credit card companies charge big fees to merchants for using credit cards. One of the carrots to get the merchants to use the UPC-to-credit-card-account tie-in, is to offer the merchants discounts on the credit-card transaction fees if the merchants report the UPC codes that each credit-card holder buys. All this can be done automatically at the cash registers. It doesn't have to be done during the phone call to verify the credit-card. It is just stored in store's computer to which the cash registers are linked. Even in small gun stores that don't scan UPC codes, the credit card company still knows, or can know, that the store is a gun store. So the gun-purchase information may not be transmitted all the way to TRW. But somewhere in Visa/Mastercard/Discover's computers, is a record that John Doe spent $700 at "Frank's Guns" on MM/DD/YY. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 (06-04-96 17 * Origin: IBMNet Connection BBS, Indpls.,IN 317-882-5575 All nodes v34+ (1:231/875) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00022 Date: 06/24/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:07am \/To: GARY SHWEID (Read 3 times) Subj: H&K USP GS> and the accuracy. It is certainly more reliable than my Series 70 Colt That's too bad. Perhaps you should sell it to me so you won't have to deal with something unreliable? What'll ya take? --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00023 Date: 06/24/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:07am \/To: STEVE GUNHOUSE (Read 3 times) Subj: cats SG> RWS is a German company which makes ammunition and airguns, at least. Gotcha. SG> To get back to the original topic (after a fashion) ... if cats have SG> become a nuisance and/or overpopulated, why shouldn't some form of SG> population control be used on them? In my mind anyway, that's just That's what I'm trying to do . SG> like the snow monkeys which there was all the fuss about in south Texas SG> last year. If human manipulation of the environment creates a problem, SG> it is up to humans to correct or at least control the problem. Whether SG> it's deer, rabbits, cats, or snow monkeys, the same logic applies. Uh, Steve, you ever tried to rationally discuss this sort of thing with some bunny hugger that is wailing and moaning about how terrible mankind is to critters? They don't use logic. Look at the fools back east that have allowed the deer populations to soar. The deer are then permitted to starve, or get run over by cars, or die of disease because of overpopulation...but it would be cruel to let mean ole hunters harvest any of 'em. If it's natural for beavers to build dams, it's damn sure natural for humans to do so. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00024 Date: 06/24/96 From: TIM MORGAN Time: 12:02pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Cats Come on folks...lets drop this cat thread. Or maybe we should just send this thread right to the Newspapers and show them what kind of stuff gun owners chat about. By the way, I will not respond to any posts to this message. Thanks... --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Hawk's Haven! Garland, Tx. (214) 530-7480 (1:124/5143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAU00025 Date: 06/24/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 12:36pm \/To: MICHAEL GILLIAM (Read 3 times) Subj: cats MG> No, not even for fun -- shoot cats because you plain don't MG> like 'em. I don't like 'em when momma decides to crawl into my boat and drop another litter. I don't like 'em when they climb the feeder in my yard and kill birds. I don't like 'em when they use my wifes flower bed as their lavatory. When they stay home, I like 'em fine. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * * Curmudgeon: Someone who says what others think.. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143)