--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAN00024 Date: 06/18/96 From: JIM WARGULA Time: 05:10pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Nra vote JP>Just got the June 20th issue of Gun Week. It contains a report on JP>the NRA elections and gives the following figures: JP> JP>1,214,307 ballots were mailed to members who were eligible to vote. JP> JP>71,615 ballots were returned. JP> JP>That works out to 5.9% of the ELIGIBLE voters actually voted. Here's MY reason for not voting: I looked at the ballot, and did not know anything about anybody that was running. Nor did I know of any more appropriate candidates. I figure that as long as NRA does what I agree with, I will leave the nomination and election of the officers to those who either have more time to gain the knowledge or are closer to the action. That is lot's better than having a million more ballots filled out by the dart board technique! --- MsgToss 2.0d(best) 02/21/93 * Origin: JW-PC DataFlex.OS2 (608)274-9763 Team OS/2 (1:121/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAN00025 Date: 06/18/96 From: JEFF TAPKE Time: 01:14am \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 3 times) Subj: kevlar vests -> Only a criminal would wear a vest to protect himself from police -> bullets. Since the general public won't be shot at by the -> police, they don't need the vests. Ernie P. JP> Uh, Ernie, was this intended as sarcasm? if you read this echo more, you realize that us police officers, can't hit what we shoot at anyway, which is the _real_ reason the general citizenry don't need vests. :) jeff --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: The NightWatch BBS 309-963-6060 Danvers,IL (1:232/36) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00000 Date: 06/19/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 04:04pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 3 times) Subj: Supreme Court NP> Perhaps, but according to what I've read on the NRA's home page the NP> 2nd amendments been up before the Supreme Court several times in the NP> past, and pretty much uniformly been held as an individual right. I believe the question of the second amendment being an individual right has never been to the Supreme Court. The cases that have been there have all been on narrow technical grounds or perphial issues. "Miller" for example was quite limited in scope. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * * Clinton/Gore - Beaver & Buttbreath go to Washington. * --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00001 Date: 06/18/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 09:34am \/To: RD THOMPSON (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: NRA -=> Quoting Rd Thompson to Steve Gunhouse on 06-16-96 17:28 <=- Re: Re: NRA SG> I'm the guy who's been arguing with Neil Schulman (in PRN) that so SG> far Dole is not a viable candidate. It seriously bothers me when a SG> self- proclaimed Libertarian like Neil believes Dole is the only SG> choice. OTOH, if he endorses Dole, I can't fault the NRA for the SG> same short- sightedness. RT> If you vote for anybody *but* Dole, you have just helped to put RT> Clinton back in the White House. I am a member of the Libertarian RT> Party, but to think that we can get a Libertarian elected President in RT> the next couple of elections is absurdly comical. We need to build a RT> much stronger power base at the local and state levels. That's mostly what Neil said. I disagree. All we need is a real leader, and we can beat both Clinton and Dole. How long did it take the Republicans to "build their power base" in the 1850s? Maybe 2 years. When the time is right - and in my view that's now - you don't have to "build" anything. I don't have much against Dole at this point, except that he isn't dynamic and I really don't know what he stands for. As I've said to Neil, Dole might change my mind by November, but I'm not betting on it. Steve ... I'd rather hit with a .22 than miss with a .44! * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * --- GOMail v1.1 [92-0793] * Origin: Texas Patriot BBS Dallas (214)495-6699 (1:124/4023) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00002 Date: 06/18/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 09:55am \/To: DANIEL DIGRIZ (Read 3 times) Subj: Dusters? -=> Quoting Daniel Digriz to Steve Gunhouse on 06-11-96 19:19 <=- Re: Dusters? DD> STEVE GUNHOUSE dared to blither forth the following to CLOYCE OSBORN: SG> I've mentioned it before, out here we have something refered SG> to as a car gun. Anyone can legally carry a longarm in their SG> car any time - except of course on military bases and such. DD> The problem, as I see it, for those of us wishing to stay strictly DD> legal, is threefold: DD> 1) As I understand it - one can carry this long arm in the DD> car but cannot have the ammunition within reach of the driver. Not true here - I can't tell where you're posting from. Our law says absolutely nothing about ammo - in the sense that it says nothing at all. There is simply no law restricting longarms in Texas. DD> 2) There is also the other problem of anti-gun police, who tend to DD> operate in that vague interpretation of concealed which says, "If an DD> officer can possibly interpret the placement of a 'civilian's' weapon DD> as concealed - or partly concealed, he will, and the word of any two DD> officers will stand up in court against a 'mere civilian'." I can't help with the cops. Again, our law says nothing at all, so a long arm can be either visible or concealed. I gather you must be in one of those states which consider concealment as somehow underhanded, then? DD> 3) Finally, there is the problem of going into Walmart or some such, DD> and having some trash break the window and take the unconcealed DD> longarm! DD> Ideas? The most obvious solution would be to conceal it just before you leave the car. You could do this in some inconspicuous manner, as (if it's on the seat or floor or some such) simply throwing something over it. If you do it well, it may look completely natural to someone watching from a distance. The alternative is to secure it somehow, so that it would *obviously* be too difficult to take - but I'm not sure how you'd do that. Steve ... I was too weak to defend, so I attacked. - Robert E. Lee * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * --- GOMail v1.1 [92-0793] * Origin: Texas Patriot BBS Dallas (214)495-6699 (1:124/4023) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00003 Date: 06/18/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 10:32am \/To: JOHN LEWIS (Read 3 times) Subj: SKS -=> Quoting John Lewis to All on 06-16-96 21:50 <=- Re: SKS JL> With all this talk about the SKS, I'm thinking about getting one... JL> Can someone give me some general information on the rifle? JL> Also, I called a couple of gun shops around town, and one does have JL> them for sell...it is the Russian version - the clerk said they also JL> come in the Chinese version, but he doesnt carry them... JL> Is there any difference between the two? Are there more than two JL> versions? JL> Some general information would be appreciated...what should I look JL> for, how accurate is the rifle, can it be modified for folding JL> stock...etc.. The Chinese version was a copy of the original Russian SKS. Back when the Chinese were more common - before Clinton banned import of Chinese arms - it was the general consensus that the Russians were better. There are probably some other versions, but I have yet to see them. You could theoretically add a folding stock, but you might be eligible for a visit by the ATF if you did. Likewise adding a detachable magazine. Both are considered illegal modifications, sorry. For instance, the guy who shot at the White House with an SKS had an illegal folding stock, not that it made the rifle any more dangerous. OTOH, there are versions of the SKS which already (legally) take detachable magazines - they've had other changes made: a different stock, no bayonet lug. At gunshows, I frequently see synthetic stocked SKSs as well as the original stocks (which come in either wood or some sort of red plastic). That is just a matter of personal taste, I think. I hear good things about the red stocks, but I don't know if there's any real difference. Steve ... You live with the statistics... I'll live with a .45 * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * --- GOMail v1.1 [92-0793] * Origin: Texas Patriot BBS Dallas (214)495-6699 (1:124/4023) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00004 Date: 06/19/96 From: JAMES GMUR Time: 05:10pm \/To: DANIEL DIGRIZ (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Dusters? -> What would be really cool is a double-barrelled smei-automatic -> shotgun, that holds upwards of eight shells! Hasn't anyone invented -> one of these? I think the minigun is close enough. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff097/x] * Origin: MegaSystem - 702-359-2666 - (1:213/830) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00005 Date: 06/19/96 From: DAVE SEMONIN Time: 07:51am \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Lee Slug Mould DS> I just recieved the Lee slug mould I ordered. On the first page DS> of the instructions, it says "slugs MUST be cast from pure lead. DS> Other alloys such as wheel weights will stick to the core pin and DS> are nearly impossible to remove." MS> American Rifleman once had an article/letter by some guy who made MS> slugs from large lead _balls_. He drilled a large deep hollow so he MS> could force-fit a dowel inside to hold long strands of fishing line as MS> a "tail" for stability...isn't that easier than what you're looking MS> at? Hi Matt: I hope it's not easier :). If you could find some bright orange line, it could be a tracer round. Then again with that string flapping behind it, it would probably sound like an artillery round going down range. Take care Dave --- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 [NR] * Origin: FREEDOM BBS*Streetsboro,Ohio*28.8k Zoom (1:157/579) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00006 Date: 06/19/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 09:51am \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 3 times) Subj: Subject lines. NP> Problem with that is you've now split the thread. NP> Many conversations have nothing to do with the title. But leaving the NP> title alone makes it much easier for folk to follow a thread. I most respctfully disagree. If folks would change the topic heading when they change the subject, it is much easier to read messages you are interested in and skip the stuff you don't care about. For example, I don't cast bullets so a message "Lee Molds" I skip. If the thread changes to how to improve your 1911 but the topic line doesn't, I miss what I am looking for. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * * Hooked on fonix, it werked fer me! --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DAP00007 Date: 06/18/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 10:04pm \/To: DAVE SEMONIN (Read 3 times) Subj: cats DS> a year, there are many additions to the local population. If you DS> will volunteer to come and get these cats, I will gladly buy you I have a neighbor locally referred to as "that f***ing cat woman." You think three extra cats on your deck is interesting, these suckers make nests in the grass to have their kittens, get eaten by roaming dogs, get eaten by roaming coyotes, get eaten by roaming hawks, I've personally (inadvertently - had I known they were there I'd have "handled it" differnetly) _mowed_ two nests -- kitten chunks everywhere -- but she "loves" cats. Ptui. Plus the 45 minute drive to the local shelter is something I stopped doing two years ago. Now the captured critters go elsewhere, but closer. So... DS> dinner. Until then, and to keep this on topic, RWS subsonic DS> hollow points are very effective. ...now that _I've_ gotten back on topic, could you elaborate just a tad: "RWS"? OBTW, any fool cat lover is welcome to come harvest as many as he'd like to take home. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Union Jack BBS, Phoenix, AZ (602) 263-0824 (1:114/260)