--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00146 Date: 05/10/96 From: EARNEST PADGETTE Time: 09:58pm \/To: MAX LAKE (Read 2 times) Subj: Nra ML> EP> He was found guilty of violating the NRA bylaws. Beyond that I can't ML> EP> comment officially; because the vote was held in Executive Session. ML> EP> Only the results of the vote were read in the regular meeting. Sorry ML> EP> can't be more explicit; because I'd love to explain the whole thing. ML> EP> Ernie P. ML> I am a bit uneasy with the idea of dissent is not allowed, and is being ML>dealt with in secret tribunals. Max, rest easy. I believe I already said *I* would NOT have voted to expell him because of his disagreement with current NRA policy; nor do I think the majority of the board would have. I value the right to speak up as much as anyone; even if what is said is hogwash. Please note the near unanimous vote; after he had been given the opportunity to speak. His expulsion had NOTHING to do with dissent. EP ML> IMHO, the NRA should explain the Edmondson issue to the membership in ML>detail. Mr. Edmundson is free to state what the charges were; what evidence was presented against him; and dispute them in public, if he so chooses. For NRA to do so might easily be viewed as bashing him. The bottom line is that Mr. Edmundson is free to re-open the issue in public if he feels he was wronged; but THEN NRA would likewise be free to respond publicly, to his public statements. If Mr. Edmundson prefers the matter remain private, that is also his right. EP ML> Please note, Ernie, I said the NRA should explain. This is not a dig ML>at you for respecting the confidences entrusted to you. Thanks for the ML>reply. ML> -Max- Understood, Max. Hope I was clear in stating the reasoning behind NOT putting the whole thing in public. Don't forget Mr. Edmundson still has a right to privacy; if he chooses to exercize that right. It's his choice, not NRA's. Ernie P. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X I was born free; I WILL die free. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 Bang, bang, shoo-oo-oot shoot! (1:109/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00147 Date: 05/10/96 From: EARNEST PADGETTE Time: 10:03pm \/To: AL MCCLAIN (Read 2 times) Subj: NRA Faxalert 2 of 2 (clip) AM> EP> Illinois) told me Illinois was going to be a hard sell. Other AM>The State Assn. was saying two years ago when the Republicans took AM>control of both houses here that we were going to get it in '95 or '96. AM>A guy from the ISRA told me that the pols don't want to vote for AM>concealed carry in an election year. We can't even get pre-emption! So AM>much for the Republicrats. :( AM>AL As long as Chicago is part of Illinois, you'll face an uphill fight. As I said, it takes a while sometimes. The Repubs have to be shown the truth, the light, and occasionally the stick. Keep trying; you'll get it if you all work together long enough and hard enough. Let's hope it's sooner. Ernie P. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X I was born free; I WILL die free. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 Bang, bang, shoo-oo-oot shoot! (1:109/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00148 Date: 05/10/96 From: EARNEST PADGETTE Time: 10:11pm \/To: JOE DUFRESNE (Read 2 times) Subj: Hathcock MOH is rolling! JD>EP> "Save him! Got to save him!" Hathcock suddenly thought. And JD>EP>without thinking of his own life, he took the young officer by his JD>EP>flaming clothes and hurled him off the side of the burning vehicle. As JD>EP>he looked at the tangled bodies of the other Marines, who had been hole JD>EP>and well only a second ago, he saw their slow, groggy motion among the JD>EP>flames and instinctively began hurling them off too. JD>Ernie, I apaligize. When i first heard of this, I assumed that It had JD>some thing to do with his sniping skills, and as a pacifist, I could JD>not in good concience support that. Actually, I think the bravest thing he ever did was to go after that NV General; because he didn't expect to survive. He took the mission because he knew if he didn't, his best friend would be offered the job; or one of his men. But you're right; they don't give the MOH for that kind of bravery. EP JD>now that I understand that this was for other reasons, I can support JD>it. I shall contact my reps this week JD>joe Thanks, Joe; it really is a totally legit effort. I can't imagine how Carlos (while his own flesh was burning) could keep his mind clear enough to save those other men. Had he simply turned away and jumped clear, he would probably have escaped any serious injury; but those seven men would almost certainly have died. THEY think he deserves the MOH; and I agree. He suffered third degree burns over most of his body; and those burns were deep. Ernie P. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X I was born free; I WILL die free. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 Bang, bang, shoo-oo-oot shoot! (1:109/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00149 Date: 05/10/96 From: EARNEST PADGETTE Time: 10:13pm \/To: JACKSON DRYDEN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: DCM (clip) JD>EP> Best bet is to have yourself appointed as "Legislative Affairs JD>EP> Director" for the club. It's a job no one wants; but it gives JD>EP> you access to the club newsletter; and you gain name recognition JD>EP> in case you want to run for club office. Then you can lead hem JD>EP> into a more active stance. Get in touch with the Legislative JD>EP> Affairs Director for the state association; who can keep you p JD>EP> to date on whats happening in the state legislature. Contact JD>EP> NRA/GRASSROOTS for national stuff, as well as state stuff. eep JD>EP> the state and NRA updated on whats happening in your local area. JD>EP> Learn to make it on four hours of sleep a night. Go into a JD>EP> permanent "sell" mode on gun issues. Say goodbye to your family, JD>EP> and sell the lawnmower. :-) Keep trucking, guy. If you need JD>EP> anything, I'm here. Ernie P. JD>OOOOfffff!!!! JD>Well I knew it was going to be tough, and somebody's got to do it. Can I t JD>least take the cat along with me for company ;-). JD>jackson It's kind of like sausage; you just cut off as much as you can chew right now. Maybe later you can handle more or less. The main thing is to take a leadership role of some sort. After a while, you start to enjoy it; and hardly miss shooting at all. :-) Ernie P. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X I was born free; I WILL die free. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 Bang, bang, shoo-oo-oot shoot! (1:109/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00150 Date: 05/10/96 From: EARNEST PADGETTE Time: 10:35pm \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 2 times) Subj: Courtesy And Compromise (clip) DA>The kind of parties I go to, politics is the main topic of conversation. DA>It's probably because of the business I'm in. DA>___ Ah well; at least you have one upcoming party where GUNS will take equal billing. Ernie P. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X I was born free; I WILL die free. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Air 'n Sun 703-765-0822 Bang, bang, shoo-oo-oot shoot! (1:109/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00151 Date: 05/11/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 07:31pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 2 times) Subj: SKS replacement magazines -=> Quoting John Sandow to All on 04 May 96 11:26 <=- Re: SKS replacement magazines JS> When I got my sks, I bought what I was told a replacement 30 round JS> fixed magazine for the standard 10 round. I was hesitant to put it on JS> though, because I didn't want to have a big magazine sticking out JS> permenantly from the gun. But recently, after picking up a 5 round JS> 'hunting' magazine, which was supposed to be detachable, I found that JS> it was the same as the 30 round replacement that I bought. The 30 JS> rounders are made by USA magazines. While they are in fact detachable, JS> they seem to be held in place with the bolt closed. I'm assuming this JS> is normal? Is this what detachable magazines do on the SKS? I've never wanted to mess around with the replacement magazines. JS> Secondly, are their any 'legal' restrictions on detachable magazines JS> on the SKS? As described in the Rifleman a couple of years ago, according to the ATF if you replace the magazine with a detachable then you need to: a) Replace the stock with a thumbhole or Monte Carlo, and b) Cut or grind off the bayonet lug JS> I finally shelled out $40 to Sportsman's Guides for a replacement JS> stock for the SKS. It was a Monte Carlo type, with the integral JS> cheekpiece. The thing is kind of heavy, but make the ugly Norinco SKS JS> a lot nicer to shoot, as well as making to look better. I have to JS> admit, I never thought I'd like the 7.62x39 as much as I've grown to. Well, you seem to have taken care of part a) above anyway! I have a synthetic Monte Carlo stock made by Combat Exchange which at least doesn't have your problem - it's lighter than the original. Steve ... A militia cannot be assembled from an unarmed populace. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00152 Date: 05/11/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 07:43pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 2 times) Subj: handgun/longgun -=> Quoting John Sandow to Steve Gunhouse on 04 May 96 21:16 <=- Re: handgun/longgun SG> BR> American Derringer makes a two hold pistol chambered for .410. The SG> BR> label says Derringer on it, but its the size of your regular snub nose SG> BR> wheel gun. SG>And of course Marlin makes the Camp Carbine in 9mm and .45 ACP. There are SG>"handguns" which use the .223 - like a Contender - but I can't think of SG>anything reasonably small. I'm sure MS, whoever he was, just wasn't SG>thinking when he said he didn't know of any .22 handguns. (Ruger Mk II, SG>Beretta 21 or 950, Ruger Bearcat or Single Six, S&W K-22, etc.) JS> And my favortie .22lr handgun: the Taurus _9_ shot .22lr JS> evil-assault-revolver (tm). :-) What about S&W's new, improved 9-shot M-17? And I hear Taurus will now be making a 10-shot. If the 9-shot was an "evil-assault-revolver", does that make a 10-shot a tactical nuclear weapon? :-O Steve ... There is no peace in Condition White. - Cooper --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00153 Date: 05/11/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 09:04pm \/To: GRANT CUNNINGHAM (Read 2 times) Subj: A Glock Convert -=> Quoting Grant Cunningham to Paul Nixon on 10 May 96 09:25 <=- Re: A Glock Convert GC> Paul Nixon wrote about "A Glock Convert". GC> Here's what GRANT CUNNINGHAM thinks: GC>> wife is definitely in the former. Of course, she also likes 1911s GC>> which proves she's not in her right mind.... PN> ...and you were doing so well, too. GC> I guess I should brace for flames from the Browning Apologist Regiment GC> (BAR)... Some people may call him "Saint John Browning", but unfortunately neither he nor Gaston Glock have designed a pistol which fits my hands (other than the Glock 26 and 27). Now, some of Browning's other designs ... So he's not perfect. And there's nothing wrong with people like me and perhaps you whom he simply failed to consider. OTOH, I won't call someone who likes 1911s crazy - unless they fail to see that there are those of us who can't like it. I can admire the design, but I just can't use it. As I've said, Glock's new "sub-compacts" are the only Glocks I like. People can say all they want praising the 17 or 19 or any of the others, and presumably they are great guns, but they simply aren't useful to me. And if that's not good enough for such people, then maybe they are crazy too. And by the same token, if you think people are crazy just for liking the 1911 or Glock ... Well, I'm sure you can guess the rest. ;-) Steve ... Support the Chinese Underground! Buy an SKS & BURY IT! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00154 Date: 05/12/96 From: DAVID R. NORTON Time: 05:41pm \/To: NOLAN PENNEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: .22 rifle -=> Quoting Nolan Penney to David R. Norton <=- DR>the rate of fall is easily calculated. NP> ? NP> You looked at that calculation? Sure, you figure the acceleration of gravity and pretend there's no wind resistance. With wind resistance, it's a little tougher because it won't go high enough to reach maximum speed. The easy way to do it is to write the physics department at your local university, tell 'em you're a 10 year old in 5th grade and you need the info for a science project. As I said, it's easy! Take Care, David R. Norton [norton@doitnow.com] ... My software never has bugs. It just develops random features... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00155 Date: 05/12/96 From: DAVID R. NORTON Time: 05:41pm \/To: GREER BRAXTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: .22 Rifle -=> Quoting Greer Braxtle to David R. Norton <=- DRN> ... once the bullet stops and begins to fall, you're dealing with a DRN> plain, simple, falling object, the fact that it was DRN> shot from a gun has no bearing on it, other than it will DRN> start falling from a higher elevation than it would if DRN> you tried to throw it up into the sky. If you dropped the DRN> bullet from an airliner, it would start it's fall DRN> higher than a gun would probably shoot it! GB> Are you familiar with the concept of 'terminal velocity' as applied GB> to objects falling in an atmosphere? I don't think a bullet will go high enough to fall far enough to reach terminal velocity, if it did the calculations would be real easy, wouldn't they! Take Care, David R. Norton [norton@doitnow.com] ... Semi-jacketed hollow points...when you want to send the very best! --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428)