--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00006 Date: 05/18/96 From: BRIAN SAWYERS Time: 01:42pm \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 2 times) Subj: .40s&W Mach 2 Plus! Hello Dan! 15 May 96 16:23, Dan Arico wrote to Brian Sawyers: BS>> I've tried near everything with mine, short of execution, and it BS>> still keeps beeping. DA> The EMP from a close nuclear explosion will fix it. Absolutely, DA> positively no more beeps. That kind of energy's a little hard to come by. I've been thinking of "storing" it in the freezer when I'm not on call, to "preserve" the battery. :^) What do you think of John's new .40 load? This might be the one that makes me go out and finally buy a chronograph. Later, Brian. --- GoldED/386 2.50 UNREG * Origin: Strange Days412-271-0980 (1:129/278) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00007 Date: 05/18/96 From: GRANT CUNNINGHAM Time: 08:16pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Bathtub Guns John Perz wrote about "Bathtub Guns". Here's what GRANT CUNNINGHAM thinks: JP> While reading the newspaper today, I caught an ad for a movie with JP> Pamela Lee Anderson. The ad showed her in a bubble-bath, raising and JP> aiming a (Glock?) JP> It suddenly struck me that **I** don't have a bathtub gun and that **I** JP> am completely vulnerable while bathing! JP> So what do the rest of you guys use for tub-guns? JP> Is the barrel on a Glock stainless? Should I use a stainless revolver? JP> What about lubrication? Maybe one of those teflon gun coatings? JP> I'm not gonna be able to bathe until I get this set up . . . Rather than worry, how about taking *her* into the tub with you?? -=[ Grant ]=- --- * Origin: (1:105/330.82) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00008 Date: 05/18/96 From: JOHN PERZ Time: 07:05pm \/To: PAUL MOOG (Read 2 times) Subj: ruger 10/22 Heavy barrel -> JP>That's very interesting, if true. I don't have a 10/22, myself. -> JP>Where do the screws that hold the action/barrel combo to the -> stock go? JP>I've never seen a rifle where they didn't go into the -> action. I'm not JP>quite sure HOW you could free-float the action, -> in that case. -> -> The stock is attached via a single screw attachment to the barrel -> just -> forward of the action. OK I see how it would work, then. I'm not quite sure what advantage this would have over bedding the whole assembly, tho . . . Regards John --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Hudson Valley BBS (1:2624/808.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00009 Date: 05/17/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 08:59am \/To: MARK OU (Read 2 times) Subj: Firearms and felons -=> Quoting Mark Ou to Steve Gunhouse on 15 May 96 20:52 <=- Re: Firearms and felons SG>MO>I don't have any problem with suspending SG>MO>a convicted felons rights even after SG>MO>he's been released from jail. That's SG>MO>still part of the penalty he or she SG>MO>pays for the crime. It just happens that SG>MO>he or she is no longer incarcerated. SG>If that's made an official part of their sentence, sure. If they're SG>sentence is only supposed to be, say, eight years, then after 8 years SG>they should have all rights restored. IMHO. MO> But it IS part of their sentence, no? MO> I assume that the restrictions regarding MO> convicted felons and firearms possessions MO> are written in state or federal laws, MO> thus making it part of the penalty for MO> having been convicted of a felony -- MO> doesn't have to be in the US Constitution. MO> Remember, the US Constitution gives the MO> states the rights to pass laws like those MO> that keep firearms out of the hands of MO> convicted felons. The point was that it isn't up to the judge. No matter the circumstances surrounding the crime, he can't say "... and your ability to own a firearm is suspended for x years". No matter what the circumstances - if you were only guilty of some non-violent felony and there were some extenuating circumstances - you lose your rights until the state laws allow you to petition for restoration (which at least here isn't dependent on the crime). If the length of suspension depended on the crime or sentence, I could accept it. As it is, you have to file a court action to get your rights back, they are not restored automatically after some period. That's the story on some of these people who were refused under Brady. They committed a crime, served there time, and were released years ago. They have lived decades without committing another crime, and are fine, upstanding citizens. But they weren't aware that they were supposed to ask to have their rights restored, and so they turn up on the Brady check as convicted felons who aren't allowed to purchase guns. I'm sorry, but I can't accept that you should have to *ask* for your rights back. That's all there is to it. Steve ... Necessity knows no law except to conquer. - Publilus Syrus --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00010 Date: 05/17/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 09:34pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 2 times) Subj: SKS replacement magazines -=> Quoting John Sandow to Steve Gunhouse on 14 May 96 08:23 <=- Re: SKS replacement magazines SG>I've never wanted to mess around with the replacement magazines. JS> It took a little bit of tuning, but they are all working fine now. JS> Can I interest you in some stripper clips then? :-) No thanks. I'm in the process of selling my SKS as it is, by the time you mailed them here I'd have no use for them. (Not that I really wanted to sell it, but a friend decided he preferred mine to his - mostly because I have an apperture sight.) Besides, I have about 30 or so. Enough for a small war! ;-) SG>As described in the Rifleman a couple of years ago, according to the ATF SG>if you replace the magazine with a detachable then you need to: SG> a) Replace the stock with a thumbhole or Monte Carlo, and SG> b) Cut or grind off the bayonet lug JS> I think I remember the SKS issue, I'll see if I can't find it. I've JS> already done the above items, I can see how they make the gun so much JS> more deadly... No one ever said that laws (whether from Washington or anyplace else) were logical. Why does a bayonet lug make something less "sporting"? Especially as you aren't allowed to install the bayonet anyway. And I really can't see that the original stock is any less sporting because it lacks a cheekpiece or thumbhole. It's the performance which makes it sporting, and also which makes it more deadly. Somewhere I still have the article. I clipped and saved it when I threw out the rest. Unfortunately, I don't know precisely where it is at this point. But it was in the fall of '94, I think. SG>Well, you seem to have taken care of part a) above anyway! SG>I have a synthetic Monte Carlo stock made by Combat Exchange which at SG>least doesn't have your problem - it's lighter than the original. JS> You would have to go and tell me that... Well, at least mine shoots JS> nice and comfy, not a heck of a lot more subjective recoil than a JS> factory 10/22... Seems like I enjoy that sks more every time I shoot JS> it. Well, if you had one of the "red" stocks, that might not be surprising. My original was solid wood, and my synthetic is, well, plastic. So it is lighter, and perhaps also stronger. I'm still not much of a shooter. But it was more accurate with the replacement. And the apperture sight didn't hurt either. (I can just align that better than I can a groove.) Besides, if I need a rifle which isn't "politically correct", I have a better candidate at hand. I'm not really losing anything by selling it to my friend, but it is a nice gun. Of course, he agrees. ;-) Steve ... Greatness lies not in being strong, but in the right use of strength. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00011 Date: 05/17/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 09:41pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 2 times) Subj: Guns -=> Quoting John Sandow to Steve Gunhouse on 14 May 96 21:28 <=- Re: Guns SG>Next question: how well braced was he when he fired it? As near as I can SG>guesstimate, while it is firing at 2100 rpm it generates about 80 SG>horsepower! JS> 2750 pounds accelerated to one fps, or about 5 hp, assuming 100 rounds JS> per second, 3500 fps for the ammo (the jungle was hot, remember), and JS> a 55gr bullet. JS> I like the idea of 29gr .22shorts better, for controllability. For controllability, I like the idea of a semi-auto better! I can't imagine several hundred .22 shorts being that much more effective than a few well-placed .223s. :-O Steve ... and basic tactics involve running as fast as possible --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00012 Date: 05/17/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 10:00pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 2 times) Subj: handgun/longgun -=> Quoting John Sandow to Steve Gunhouse on 14 May 96 21:30 <=- Re: handgun/longgun SG>What about S&W's new, improved 9-shot M-17? And I hear Taurus will now be SG>making a 10-shot. If the 9-shot was an "evil-assault-revolver", does that SG>make a 10-shot a tactical nuclear weapon? :-O JS> Yeah, with depleted uranium penetrators that make little mini nuclear JS> explosions on impact... :-) JS> On a related subject, one of the guys I worked with was in the navy JS> for 4 years. I forget what his job was, but it was not a metalurgist. JS> He was describing the Phlanx ship defense system that uses a 20mm JS> vulcan cannon, and informed me that the gun used 'depleted titanium JS> rounds'. Must be heck on the barrel walls, eh? :-) JS> But they are going to be making a 10 round, huh? I saw an 8, yes JS> eight, round .357 of theirs. The cylinder must have been 2" in JS> diameter... How does one "deplete" titanium anyway? Oh, the depleted uranium in those rounds is only the core anyway, so maybe his "depleted titanium" would be too. I've seen the 8-shot .357, actually didn't seem that much bigger than their 7-shot. I'd have to guess that they're using their .44 frame and cylinder (though I've never seen them side by side to compare). As far as the 10-shot, I can only go by what people who should be knowledgeable tell me - and they say yes. I have no more direct knowledge of Brazil than the next guy. Think they'll put a .22 in their .44 frame and make a 12-shot next? Steve ... 1911M1A - 911 for the Do-It-Yourselfer --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00013 Date: 05/17/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 10:12pm \/To: JOHN SANDOW (Read 2 times) Subj: Trip West -=> Quoting John Sandow to David R. Norton on 14 May 96 22:25 <=- Re: Trip West DRN> in California, took it to an RV repair place, they found his handgun, DRN> last I heard he was facing some hard time in the penitentiary. If this DRN> story is indeed true, you're better off to leave guns home or follow DRN> federal laws for transporting interstate. JS> Federal interstate transport regs only apply to sales of guns, not JS> personal carry, if I am not mistaken. Judge Balkan? No judge, but I know the FOPA protects you if you're traveling *through* a state - provided of course you follow it. An unscheduled stop might not be covered if it forces you to stay in one place for a while. The FOPA requires the firearm to be inaccessible though - usually something like in a case in the trunk for a car. I'd have to presume if it was easy to find that it wasn't inaccessible. (!) Either way - due to length of stay or accessibility - he doesn't seem to have been covered. So I guess he's out of luck. Steve ... Every so often, we pass laws repealing human nature. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00014 Date: 05/17/96 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 10:24pm \/To: GREER BRAXTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Decocker vs DAO -=> Quoting Greer Braxtle to Jeff Trowbridge on 16 May 96 19:41 <=- Re: Decocker vs DAO JT> First the good news, My other half has agreed to buy me a pistol JT> when I've made it 60 days without cigarettes. (July 13th). I've JT> selceted a Ruger P95. I've always been a wheelgun fan but JT> decided it was time to try a semi-auto. This thing comes in JT> decocker version or double action only. I have no idea what the JT> difference is, and have only shout a semi-auot pistol once in my JT> life (about 3 years ago). JT> Which one should I choose? GB> Eh. I would buy almost anything OTHER than a Ruger. They are GB> oversized slabs of metal. If you have HUGE hands they be fine but not GB> otherwise. The fit and finish leave a lot to be desired. Ditto the GB> accuracy. GB> I would suggest either a Taurus PT-92 or PT-99, or perhaps a Glock GB> way before I would spend money on a Ruger. My opinion anyways ... The new Ruger is an oversized slab of *plastic*, thank you. I've never even tried to shoot one, so I can't comment on the accuracy - only that they are too big for *my* hands. My personal preference is still a Beretta. Steve ... We are NOT surrounded. We are in a target-rich environment --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5P00015 Date: 05/17/96 From: JOHN PERZ Time: 07:26pm \/To: DAVE APPEL (Read 2 times) Subj: Australia -> Please post a sufficient portion of the message header info when -> you cross-post stuff like this so that it can be verified. Noted for future reference. Wilco. -> remember, I am The-moderator, and they are NOT-the-moderator. :) I knew that. Regards John --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Hudson Valley BBS (1:2624/808.0)