--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00165 Date: 05/10/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:59pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Response from Burger King * Crossposted from: FREEDOM'S_VOICE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Recently, as a response to the media reports of Burger King's pulling advertising off the register tapes of their store in Baltimore, I sent them a note in protest. Their reply: May 1, 1996 Dear Mr. Nixon, Thank you for taking the time to write to us regarding the register tape advertising in Baltimore. Your thoughts and opinions are very important to us. Burger King Corporation has not and will not take a position on matters of public policy that do not directly affect our business. Therefore, we do not believe it is appropriate for any of our restaurants , either company or franchise-owned, to allow advertisements regarding the firearms industry (either pro or against) in our restaurants. Again, thank you for taking the time to notify us of your concerns. Sincerely, /ss/ Kimberly T. Miller Manager, Consumer Relations My comment: It would appear they have most definately taken a position of public policy. Ah, well...Whataburger does it so much better anyway. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMZObLW8UllgW/QLVAQG65gQAkap+bCMm7p32jZXVYaPPqd3+xrgKdCHq NbebjglkfNfFq0V4lMYzSmcM0mILttK3VAdAooTRhBKqZoQY5rgI5T5yDGHlifJq RAir6NxphsQ7oXPUCPyOaK/DgzjUIyT53ev6wq9rjFwZsxNVwKsCPIcL0JC5LdCw OKNgQiKVS5M= =kjE6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.0 Among other evils caused by being disarmed, it renders you contemptible...It is not reasonable to suppose that one who is armed will obey willingly one who is unarmed; or that any unarmed man will remain safe among armed servants. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00166 Date: 05/10/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 10:58pm \/To: JEFF TROWBRIDGE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: TIME-WARNER JT> MS> Time-Warner is posting all its offices in N.C. against CCW. JT> JT> What did you expect from them? The only thing they want from JT> gun owners is the $$ spent on "Field & Stream" amd "Outdoor Life" JT> magazines. Time-Warner can hardly claim it's posting to stop violence, when it profiteered greatly on the gangsta-rap trade...including a rapper who urged ambushes of police! --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00167 Date: 05/10/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 11:18pm \/To: JOHN DONOHUE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: 22 caps JD> I still see them in larger gun stores, or sporting goods stores with JD> large JD> firearms dept's. I used to single load BB Caps in a Ruger MkII for JD> use on JD> rodents. They make about as much noise as a kid's cap gun. Any soft JD> backstop will absorb them as they're pretty low velocity. How does MV compare with .177 air gun? --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00168 Date: 05/10/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 11:22pm \/To: MIKE HUGHES (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: 22 CB Caps ect. MH> PROBLEMS: MH> 5. Kids may not take this ammo seriously. CB's WILL Penetrates A MH> HUMAN SKULL! This ammo does not turn a 22 into a pea shooter. The MH> last MH> thing you need is a pesky neighborhood cat, with a 22 caliber hole, As for kids taking it seriously, .177 pellets will also penetrate a ull. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit! * The Spirit of '76 * (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00169 Date: 04/25/96 From: DANE LANCE Time: 10:01pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Unwarranted insult JP> Maybe we need to make sure we're all using the same JP> definitions here so we aren't confusing apples & JP> oranges. I **KNOW** you don't mean that an JP> INCARCERATED criminal retains his right to keep JP> and bear arms WHILE he is incarcerated. Absolutely! JP> You were talking about someone who was released from prison, JP> right? Is it proper to refer to such a person as a criminal? JP> If so, for how long? The rest of his life? Should we be JP> using ex-criminal or ex-con? (and how do we know that an JP> ex-con is truly an EX-criminal? ) Touche! Actually, that does bring up some good points. I'm still undecided about how I feel concerning ex-felons not having having the right to possess firearms. On one hand, I can almost see the rational, but then again, as the arguement has been presented, "If you can't trust them with a firearm, why are they out of jail?"........I think I tend to lean toward the latter. I think if the judicial system gets its act together, and eveything "falls into place", then the last arguement would be very fitting, and acceptable! It's just that darn high rate of repeat offense that makes me very uncomfortable. * Q-Blue v0.7 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Guns BBS * Dallas, Tx * (214) 357-8770 * 1:124/5021 1:124/5021.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00170 Date: 04/25/96 From: DANE LANCE Time: 10:05pm \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: REAL Air Guns MS> What kind of paintball gun did they use the SCUBA tank MS> with? You know, I really don't remember what brand it was. You have to understand, this was all back when paintball was just catching on big. The guns back then were pretty crude and mostly pistol types. As I recall, the gun had an aweful lot of modifications and a barrel that was about 15-16 inches long. I don't know who actually put the thing together, but it worked pretty good...it just wasn't useable on human targets. :-) * Q-Blue v0.7 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Guns BBS * Dallas, Tx * (214) 357-8770 * 1:124/5021 1:124/5021.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00171 Date: 04/25/96 From: DANE LANCE Time: 10:08pm \/To: DAVID HANNON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Responsible Carry DH> Hundreds. When Ayoob brings his classes to my area, his LFI- DH> 1 Introduction to Deadly Force 2 day classroom lecture runs DH> about $175. The 2 day LFI-1 completion shooting portion DH> runs $300. DH> LFI-2 is a five day course of tactical and shooting DH> techniques and runs $700. >SNIP< DH> To find out about Massad Ayoob's courses near your area you DH> can call LFI at 1-800-624-9049 or e-mail Ayoob directly at DH> ayoob@ibm.net DH> Good luck with your training! DH> David Thanks for the info David! I may give them a call and see what I can come up with. I would like to get some training and I'd like to do it, preferably with a well known name. It may take me a bit to get the spare money to do it though. Thanks again! * Q-Blue v0.7 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Guns BBS * Dallas, Tx * (214) 357-8770 * 1:124/5021 1:124/5021.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00172 Date: 05/03/96 From: DANE LANCE Time: 02:17pm \/To: JEFF TAPKE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Exploding Bullets SH> Explosive rounds, as far as rifles/pistols are SH> concerned, aren't explosive, in the strictest sense. JT> There are some that are. If shot at night, you see the nice JT> white flash when it hits, and goes boom. There are many misconceptions surrounding "exploding bullets". Often, light weight, very frangible "varmint" bullets are described as "exploding", but this is not due to any explosive compound embedded in the bullet but rather its violent decentigration because of very high velocities and hard impact. Those bullets that have been manufactured with explosive compounds in the nose often do not meet what we would consider "explosive" levels. The intention of the explosive compound is to merely start the expansion process of the hollow pointed bullets, thereby in theory, increasing the expansion reliability. The small relative size of bullets found in handguns and rifles precludes them from being capable of carrying enough explosive to do much else. It is possible that very powerful explosives could be used to overcome the size problem, but most explosives capable of such power are also very stable and impact alone would not be enough to ignite them. I have several articles on this subject that I can look for if anyone is interested. * Q-Blue v0.7 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Guns BBS * Dallas, Tx * (214) 357-8770 * 1:124/5021 1:124/5021.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00173 Date: 05/05/96 From: DANE LANCE Time: 04:09pm \/To: DAVE ARONSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Simmons scopes & moun DA> I'm considering a Simmons ".22 Mag ProHunter" scope. The DA> catalog says 4x32, 3" relief, 1" tube, "fully coated lens DA> system", parallax-free at 50 yds, 29.5' field of view @ 100 DA> yds, 1/4-click adjustments for windage and elevation. DA> Questions, part 1: Is this a decent scope, for good plinking DA> and informal target shooting? In my opinion, yes the Simmons scopes are decent for the money. DA> What does "fully coated" mean -- coated with WHAT, and DA> WHY? Lenses are generally coated with varying substances and by various methods. Chemicals, and in some cases extremely thin layers of metals (ala the gold coating on the Stealth fighters canopy glass) in order that they transmit light better. A polished lens actually reflects much of the light back and therefore does not allow it to pass through. The coatings help in allowing the light to pass through the lens. The result is a brighter, more defined image. Glare reduction is another benefit also. The process of coating a lens is usually a multi-step operation (hence "multi-coated lenses", etc). One should be careful by the wording "fully coated". This could mean that the entire lens has absolutely been coated (but does not specify the number of coatings, could be 1 or 3 or 10) or it could mean that it has been through a process that applies several different layers of coatings (which I believe is the preferred method). I remember reading a bit on the subject and as I recall a minimum or at least 3 or 4 layers of coatings is desired. DA> Is that FOV width good, bad, typical, or what? I'd say that is about typical. DA> What do they mean by 1/4-click -- 1/4 MOA per click, 1/4 of a DA> turn of the dial per click (which sounds pretty bad!), or what? 1/4 click means 1/4 MOA per click of the dial. This is pretty much the standard for any good quality scope. Some high end scopes even have 1/8 MOA per click. DA> The particular catalog (Sportsman's Guide) is tossing in DA> rings (for a 3/8" dovetail mount), caps, and 100 rounds .22 DA> ammo (cheap, I ass-u-me), at $38. DA> Questions, part 2: Is that 3/8" supposed to be the WIDE part DA> or the NARROW part of the dovetail? Are 3/8" dovetail mounts DA> rare, the standard, one of several common choices, or what? DA> Is this a decent price? I think 3/8" is pretty standard as far as dovetail mounts go. I've never measured them . All in all, I'd say it's a pretty darn good deal, if you like fixed power scopes. I prefer a 2X7 or 3X9 on my .22's (a squirrel's head is hard to see at 50-75 yards at 4X). I've had very good luck with Simmons scopes (contrary to a lot of poo-pooing I see about them). I have a Simmons "44 Magnum" 3X10 on my .270 and love it. I have a Simmons 2.5X compact, long eye relief on my shotgun, it's great for slug hunting. I've had a few Tasco scopes, but for the money, I'd prefer the Simmons. I've never owned, but have used some of the high end scopes (Leupold and Zeiss) and to be honest, I can't see the difference between them and my Simmons. Maybe I just don't know what to look for, but the sight picture in the Simmons is every bit as bright and clear as the Leupold and Zeiss scopes that I used (and my eye sight is excellent). * Q-Blue v0.7 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Guns BBS * Dallas, Tx * (214) 357-8770 * 1:124/5021 1:124/5021.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: D5K00174 Date: 05/05/96 From: DANE LANCE Time: 04:22pm \/To: VERN HUMPHREY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Concealed makes us al DA>I made the mistake of talking about taking pictures or videos DA>of people who don't belong in your neighborhood and got labeled a DA>"vigilante" by the police department's crime-watch coordinator. VH> Of course!! That's evidence that they're not doing their VH> jobs. And if a serious crime occurs, and those videos come VH> to light and are shown on the local news, it would be VH> embarassing for the department! Oh, I wouldn't say that the police aren't doing their job, I just think the underlying tone here is to discourage anyone from owning, buying or using a video camera. The embarrassing part is when that video is shown and it turns out to be the police beating the day-lights out of someone.... Sorry, couldn't resist that dig.........no disrespect meant to any current or former police officers....just a sarcastic play on what seems to be a common thing in the news media lately.. * Q-Blue v0.7 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Guns BBS * Dallas, Tx * (214) 357-8770 * 1:124/5021 1:124/5021.0)