--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBC00035 Date: 07/05/97 From: STEVE MCCRYSTAL Time: 07:02am \/To: JACK PFISTERER (Read 3 times) Subj: New release of Netscape2 ; In a msg of , Jack Pfisterer writes to All: ; Jack, JP> It would be very strange for Netscape or IBM to issue an update JP> without changing the labeling. If you've been following this from the beginning, you'll know it isn't 'very strange' at all. -[Steve]- --- GoldED/2 3.00.Alpha5+/#1057US3 * Origin: -[Steve's Place]- New Berlin, WI (FidoNet 1:154/731.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBC00036 Date: 07/06/97 From: DAVID CALAFRANCESCO Time: 12:23pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: IS2INET Conference Hello all! Just a quick note from the moderator of this echo to you all. Thank you. I do not feel any need for any rules postings at this time as I have not had any innapropriate posts to worry about in this conference. Keep up the good work. Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 dave@drakkar.mhv.net ... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! --- * Origin: Druid's Grove BBS - (914)/876-2237 (1:2624/306) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBC00037 Date: 07/06/97 From: CHARLES BOWMAN Time: 12:49pm \/To: WAYNE SIEMUND (Read 3 times) Subj: Netscape/2 Wayne Siemund wrote in a message to All: WS> I downloaded waht claims to be the new version of netscape. the WS> newest file date is the self-extracting archive. the rest say WS> december or november of last year. WS> I'm confused... What was the name of the archive? cbowman@sinfo.net or charles.bowman@for-president.com Then they come for the smokers ... but I don't say anything because I don't smoke. --- Hate-Filled Commandos of Doom * Origin: The Jungle - Panama City, Panama - 507.236.3450 (4:920/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBC00038 Date: 07/06/97 From: CHARLES BOWMAN Time: 12:50pm \/To: RICH VERAA (Read 3 times) Subj: New release of netscape 2 Rich Veraa wrote in a message to Lynn Nash: RV> I thought os2en202.exe was the _British_ English version, and that RV> the American English version was nsos2202.exe. That's what it was RV> three months ago. nsos2202.exe was the last of the betas wasn't it? For the new *improved* version you need to download the language specific files, os2??202.exe and plugpk??.exe. I think it's even explained in the readme.txt on the ftp sites. cbowman@sinfo.net or charles.bowman@for-president.com Then they come for the smokers ... but I don't say anything because I don't smoke. --- Hate-Filled Commandos of Doom * Origin: The Jungle - Panama City, Panama - 507.236.3450 (4:920/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBC00039 Date: 07/05/97 From: JACK PFISTERER Time: 07:32pm \/To: JAMES MCKENZIE (Read 3 times) Subj: NEW RELEASE OF NETSCAPE2 JM> 02 Jul 97 20:34, Jack Pfisterer wrote to All: JM> JP> Just downloaded the file dated 27 Jun 97 and found the contents > JP> identical to what I downloaded two or three months ago. I think the > JP> 27 Jun date is just an artifact of some housekeeping activity, but > JP> certainly not a new version. JM> It is indeed an update. Confirmed this with both IBM and Netscape. This is more than a little puzzling. Checked the two files again and they are absolutely identical! Note the final CRC values and total file sizes: (File dates reflect date of downloading.) File dated 27 Feb 97: Archive: nsos2202.exe Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name ------ ------ ---- ----- ---- ---- ------ ---- 488 Defl:N 256 48% 12-16-96 15:38 57af5647 NETSCAPE.ICF * * * detail deleted for brevity * * * 1039074 Defl:N 1038605 0% 12-16-96 01:07 b382ed3c java.in_ ------ ------ --- ------- 4525927 4410022 3% 13 files File dated 2 Jul 97: Archive: nsos2202.exe Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name ------ ------ ---- ----- ---- ---- ------ ---- 488 Defl:N 256 48% 12-16-96 15:38 57af5647 NETSCAPE.ICF * * * detail deleted for brevity * * * 1039074 Defl:N 1038605 0% 12-16-96 01:07 b382ed3c java.in_ ------ ------ --- ------- 4525927 4410022 3% 13 files The second, 2 Jul 97 file was listed in the software/netscape directory at service2.boulder.ibm.com as: -rw-rw-r-- 1 95566035 205 4471619 Jun 27 13:50 nsos2202.exe Were it not for the 27 Jun dating, I would assume that I was just a little too early--downloading the file before it had been replaced by the new one. Since the displayed date apparently doesn't mean anything, and these changes are not considered significant enough to change the labeling of the file, how can I tell what is the true updated file. I hate to keep FTPing 4-meg files and discovering that they contain nothing new. Jack P. --- FLAME v1.0 * Origin: L.A. Valley College BBS <@Support.COM> (818)985-7150 (1:102/837) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBC00040 Date: 07/06/97 From: PETER KNAPPER Time: 01:08pm \/To: JAMES MCKENZIE (Read 3 times) Subj: New release of Netscape2 Hi James, JP> Just downloaded the file dated 27 Jun 97 and found the contents JP> identical to what I downloaded two or three months ago. I think the JP> 27 Jun date is just an artifact of some housekeeping activity, but JP> certainly not a new version. JM> It is indeed an update. Confirmed this with both IBM JM> and Netscape. There were some serious bugs with the JM> March 30, 1997 2.02 version of Netscape/2. The most JM> serious was the security bug. Well I just FTP'd the same OLD file with the NEW date! Can you please post the complete URL (or FTP site, dir and filename) of the updated file and the details (exact filename, filezies, .ZIP or .EXE, etc). The FTP site I used was - service2.boulder.ibm.com/software/netscape perhaps this is NOT an official site? It contains all international versions of Netscape for OS/2, including all the plug packs. The US English version on that site is a self extracting archive that contained an EXACT copy of the files in the 16 Dec 1996 version of Netscape/2, identical to the date and file size (4,411,180) of last years archive, even thought the "updated" archive was dated 27 Jun 97! The contents are even OLDER than the March 97 release that I have. What on earth is going on here? JP> It would be very strange for Netscape or IBM to issue an update JP> without changing the labeling. JM> They did not change the labeling because it is not a new version. That I can accept, but an archive that contains the exact same file sizes and datestamps of the old Decemeber 1996 release does not seem to make sense to me. If there IS a new version of Netscape/2 that has been released, then I suspect that IBM may have several sites for Netscape/2 and one of those sites (the one I used) is not being updated with the latest version. Regards...........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBD00000 Date: 07/08/97 From: JOHN THOMPSON Time: 09:08am \/To: DAVID CALAFRANCESCO (Read 3 times) Subj: NEW RELEASE OF NETSCAPE2 In a message of 07-07-1997, David Calafrancesco wrote re: New release of Netscape2 PK> The FTP site I used was - PK> PK> service2.boulder.ibm.com/software/netscape PK> PK> perhaps this is NOT an official site? [...] DC> The site you used is a private test system. It is not where DC> release versions of anything are available. It is specifically DC> used as a tool by IBM to get TEST versions of software to DC> specific people. I think you are thinking of "testcase.boulder.ibm.com;" the site referred to above ("service2.boulder.ibm.com/software/netscape") is the site you are taken to when you request to download Netscape/2 from the ibm.net homepage. Check for yourself... * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@ibm.net --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4P1a * Origin: TeLnEt tO: applegate.com, a BBS oN tHE iNterNET (1:139/631) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBD00001 Date: 07/08/97 From: CHRIS PITZEL Time: 04:57pm \/To: LEE LEFLER (Read 3 times) Subj: Locking the Comm Port LL> Watch the ones that are built onto the motherboard. I have two LL> that aren't capable of running at any real speed. A LL> third board I didn't even bother to check, I just LL> dropped a COM board in and moved on. The motherboard-based ones are the good ones. The ones that are on the Dual Async/A cards are the ones that don't quite perform as well. > One of my IP (actually a local college) providers uses old > DECservers which lock the attached USR Sportster 33.6k modems at > 19.2, but in reality, because LAT is so inneficient, they only > get 14.4k speeds. (the term servers aren't smart enough to run > their own PPP, so the PPP has to be run on a VAX system). LL> LAT shouldn't have any trouble running 19.2, we use it on LL> ethernet. I suspect the problem is in tunneling TCP/IP LL> or the VAX itself. We've upgraded our system to use LL> Shivas, but with a little work we could have done it Yeah, it's done through UCX. It is an older model of VAX (a MicroVAX 3100-80) machine, so maybe that has something to do with it. LL> with Multinet or UCX through the VAX. The drawback LL> there is that it adds to the work of an already LL> overloaded VAX cluster. Just tell them to get a new hub LL> with some PPP capable servers for their modems. They're too cheap around here. First of all, Sportsters are *not* 24/7 modems designed to be used in modem pools. With that out of the way, they actually have the equipment sitting there, and have for the past two years, but they are too lazy to deploy it, saying "if we set PPP up properly, then everyone would want to use it, and the 10 lines would easily be saturated" (only 2 lines, right now, at any given time, are in use). The excuse used to be "our 56k net connection just can't handle it". They went and upgraded the net connection to a 10megabit/second connection (fractional T3), and they just had to change the excuse.. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBD00002 Date: 07/07/97 From: JACK PFISTERER Time: 01:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: NEW RELEASE OF NETSCAPE2 FS> JP> Just downloaded the file dated 27 Jun 97 and found the contents > JP> identical to what I downloaded two or three months ago. I think the FS> What do you mean with "contents"? The number of files, the filenames? Is th > size of the different files the same as before? (They are not in my case) Names, sizes and CRC values. Jack P. --- FLAME v1.0 * Origin: L.A. Valley College BBS <@Support.COM> (818)985-7150 (1:102/837) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 273 OS/2 INTERNET Ref: EBD00003 Date: 07/07/97 From: JACK PFISTERER Time: 01:07pm \/To: STEVE MCCRYSTAL (Read 3 times) Subj: NEW RELEASE OF NETSCAPE2 SM> JP> It would be very strange for Netscape or IBM to issue an update > JP> without changing the labeling. SM> If you've been following this from the beginning, you'll know it isn't > 'very strange' at all. Clearly, I underestimated their capacity for "strangeness". :) Jack P. --- FLAME v1.0 * Origin: L.A. Valley College BBS <@Support.COM> (818)985-7150 (1:102/837)