--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00011 Date: 01/22/98 From: JIM DUNMYER Time: 07:33am \/To: KEVIN CROSBY (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: HELP HOME GENERATOR > Why not make a permanent point to attach your generator to? They > make switching gear that is designed for this application. It is > simply a three-position break-before-make switch....power company > -or- off -or- generator. > > If you can get military surplus, the Navy calls this an ABT, which > is short for Automatic Bus Transfer. These had 3 positions: > Normal, alternate, and emergency. If you had a loss of power on the > normal bus, it would switch to Alternate. If no power available > there it would switch to emergency. Northern sells these transfer switches also. They're typically wired to a sub-panel that has 'critical' loads on it so that your generator powers only the important stuff and you don't need to be concerned about switching off the water heater, stove, etc. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00012 Date: 01/23/98 From: MIKE ROSS Time: 10:27am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Power Factor in DC cc Elvis Hargrove said the following to Mike Ross on the subject of Re: Power Factor in DC cc (22 Jan 98 18:06:11) N -> contrary to the rest of the continent, we actually have laws which -> prohibit co-generation. EH> Brilliant! But then I'll bet the 'powers' didn't have to do without! You can say that again. The utility has a building which is commonly and fondly referred to as "The Bunker". It houses the utility administration and the head of government of the province. Needless to say The Bunker gets priority over everyone else. If you Yanks ever decide to invade please reprogram a silo with The Bunker's co-ordinates. ... Ice Storm of '98 refugee. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00013 Date: 01/23/98 From: MIKE ROSS Time: 10:45am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: HELP HOME GENERATOR Elvis Hargrove said the following to Mike Ross on the subject of RE: HELP HOME GENERATOR (22 Jan 98 18:15:11) EH> If I lived anywhere where it got even a littlbit cold, I'd have a EH> co-genration system whether they liked it or not! I aint freezing for EH> NO beureaucrat! (Dang! I STILL can't spell it.) It was really close, the trusty spellchecker tagged it as: bureaucrat. However, it gorched up on the colloquialism DANG and gave me a choice of either Dung or Dong. Dang, right on! Up until some few years back, Italian and Portuguese amateur home wine makers were regularly raided by the Liquor Board. Now it's been loosened somewhat but this same state control mentality still permeates much of everyday life and business. You would be amazed the bureaucratic hurdles and hoops required to start a micro-brewery over here let alone co-generation. ... Ice Storm of '98 refugee. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00014 Date: 01/23/98 From: MIKE ROSS Time: 11:00am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Help Home Generator Elvis Hargrove said the following to Mike Ross on the subject of Re: Help Home Generator (22 Jan 98 18:04:11) EH> Bear in mind that in some jurisdictions inspection by the local EH> electrical inspector and/or power company official is required. Check EH> with the power company FIRST! They know what's required and you EH> really want their blessing in any case. I heard a weird warning in that it was possible for the power meter to double bill the subscriber for the duration a generator was being used. I can't see how this would be possible with the mains breakers out of circuit but that warning came from a utility expert so I'm left just a little puzzled over that comment. Oddly enough, industrial techs here have the right to modify pre-existing equipment but can't make any new installations. The electricians here have a very powerful professional representation at the governmental level which can in effect dictate the legislation. ... Ice Storm of '98 refugee. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00015 Date: 01/23/98 From: SERGE BROUILLARD Time: 10:57am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Tv Antenna Booster Hi there all ! I know this is not exactly the echo for this, but since a lot of people that have homepower are usually living far from cities, they might have had the same problem i have. I'm looking for the plans for a rooftop TV antenna signal booster, that would be connected in series onto my coaxial cable (inside the house) from the antenna to the TV. Where i am, some of the channels have color fading, image fading (snow) and even sound fading. My neighbor has the same antenna, but a more modern TV set with a booster built inside, and he has very little problems getting all the channels clearly, or almost all. My TV is older, and since it works i don't want to change it. I can build electronic circuits, so all i need are plans or information where i could D/L info or plans. Salutations: Serge Brouillard Montreal, Canada ... OFFLINE 1.32 * I wish i didn't know now, what i didn't know then ! --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00016 Date: 01/23/98 From: GARY COLLIER Time: 11:53am \/To: MIKE ROSS (Read 2 times) Subj: power source/pump MR>There are many types of radiator heating among which is high pressure MR>steam as you noted. Generally high pressure steam is used for larger MR>dwellings such as multi-apartment housing. MR>The type of gravity hot water system uses water who's temperature never MR>gets much above 180F and operates at atmospheric or more typically at MR>utility water line pressure. To accommodate changes in volume due to MR>temperature expansion, it uses either an expansion tank or a pressure MR>regulator from the water utility feed. O.K. I am intriqued. Does this system work with a system where the heat source is below the heat exchanger??? I have had experience with radiant baseboard heating, but the heat source was always above the heat exchanger or at same level...in my case the heat exchanger is going to be at least 15 feet above the heat source. Please describe your system if it would be applicable. MR>The main problem with the gravity hot water system is that radiators MR>further from the source must be larger because the water is cooler at MR>the end of the pipe. The main advantage is the more even temperature MR>fluctuations though steam and pump fed water will respond more quickly MR>to demand. Basically it's a design which requires more skill in MR>selecting pipe sizes than steam or pump circulated. Exactly, I can imagine that the system you are describing more than likely was a floor radiant system...which is not my challenge. ++++++ MR>Yes, I had a gravity hot water system without any pumps. From what MR>you've described so far it seems your projected system will have a MR>relatively small capacity. I think gravity feed could work well in a MR>small system, provided the pipes are of adequate size, since the MR>difference in water density only results in small forces. For example MR>3/8" tubing might just not be up to it. MR>Which reminds me, in a mechanical flow system, one way the pump is kept MR>from getting hot is to install it at the cold end instead of the source MR>side. Of course circulation will probably be less than if the pump is MR>designed for vacuum operation. Gee, I had thought it would only work at the high end...but since I was working on a closed system principle, I did not expect a profound temp differential. With an additional pump It appears I could incorporate the city pump system and include a large mass thermal storage area like a spa or pool if a backflow could be incorporated. MR>I must admit to only having cursory knowledge of heating systems so that MR>I can't give you the many details you will undoubtedly need to complete MR>your project. I strongly suggest you get over to a public library and MR>get a hold of the many resources on the subject. MR>The computer control programs themselves are rather trivial to MR>implement. I would probably concentrate more on the physical aspects of MR>your project 1st to ensure its success since you have a pressing need. Well, if I could obtain parts for my 1986 YORK heat pump; ie the "trivial" computer control" then I would not have too worry about dealing with trivial problems such as funneling an alternative heat source to the one remaining functional part of my furnace...the fan! I'll be damned if I will pay 1,500 to some guy that knows less than I do about refrigeration to tell me that which I already knew regarding MY equipment! It used to be that a homeowner or person knowledgable in such matters could obtain parts...not anymore (at least in USA)! I actually had some joker come out to my home representing YORK; who apologized for not bringing his tools; or containment MANDATES and asking ME for a screwdriver! I summarily excused him from my property in no uncertain terms! To any viewers: please feel free to forward this response to York Industries, they are fully aware of my situation. Perhaps then they would be presured to REINTRODUCE their former practice of supplying their parts to INDEPENDENT parts houses, instead of constricting the free supply of parts to their "preferred" distributors eg. the ones that pay a kickback??? Where is the Federal rand Jury when you need em?? ' --- * OLX 2.1 TD * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00017 Date: 01/23/98 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 03:00pm \/To: MIKE ROSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Help Home Generator -> electricians here have a very powerful professional representation at -> the governmental level which can in effect dictate the legislation. Oh BOO! They got you coming and going don't they! Can't win for losing. Move south a few miles. It aint THAT bad to be a "Yank" (Though you'd get _killed_ if you called any of MY neighbors that!) ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1S00018 Date: 01/23/98 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 03:09pm \/To: SERGE BROUILLARD (Read 2 times) Subj: Tv Antenna Booster -> I'm looking for the plans for a rooftop TV antenna -> signal booster, that would be connected in series Serge, see if you can get a copy of "Nuts and Volts" magazine which quite often has such circuits in it, and ALWAYS has interesting projects to build. There are only three newstands in Canada that handle it and they're all far from you.... But they have an 800 number $19 bucks US per year for subscription, and well worth it. 800-783-4624 or http://www.nutsvolts.com if you have Internet access. ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1T00000 Date: 01/23/98 From: JOE E. DODSON Time: 08:58pm \/To: MIKE ROSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Power Factor in DC cc 23 Jan 98 10:27, MIKE ROSS wrote to Elvis Hargrove: MR>Elvis Hargrove said the following to Mike Ross on the subject of MR>Re: Power Factor in DC cc (22 Jan 98 18:06:11) MR>N ->> contrary to the rest of the continent, we actually have laws which ->> prohibit co-generation. EH>> Brilliant! But then I'll bet the 'powers' didn't have to do without! MR>You can say that again. The utility has a building which is commonly and MR>fondly referred to as "The Bunker". It houses the utility administration MR>and the head of government of the province. Needless to say The Bunker MR>gets priority over everyone else. If you Yanks ever decide to invade MR>please reprogram a silo with The Bunker's co-ordinates. Glad to BUT only if you will do the same for us. -Joe jdodson@freewwweb.com --- Msged/2 4.20 beta 3 * Origin: A Place Called Joe's USRVeverything 281.351.9757 (1:106/977@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: F1T00001 Date: 01/24/98 From: MIKE ROSS Time: 12:21am \/To: JIM DUNMYER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: POWER SOURCE/PUMP Jim Dunmyer said the following to Gary Collier on the subject of POWER SOURCE/PUMP (22 Jan 98 07:31:49) JD> Water heating boilers aren't very high pressure, almost always rated JD> at under 15PSI. You naturally want to figure in an expansion tank and JD> pressure relief valves. If he uses a closed loop he may not even need an expansion tank i.e.: : radiator bleeder : ----||||||||-----V : | | : utility | safety | : feed water | ----V----