--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00033 Date: 09/10/97 From: ALEC CAMERON Time: 06:28pm \/To: JOCK ROGAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Heat Engine Electric Hi Jock On (07 Sep 97) Jock Rogan wrote to Alec Cameron... JR> HUGE American station wagon pull up at a local service station. The JR> chimney at the back JR> struck me as quite odd. I got talking to the bloke who told me he was a JR> 'roo shooter JR> and spent most of his time in the outback. Seemingly he lived in this JR> station JR> wagon and simple cut wood in the bush to keep this machine running. JR> Sort of adds a twist to the concept of "HOMEPOWER" doesn't?? Maybe this is an option that needs re- inventing. The inherent self egulation of the fuel consumption to match the demand, is so darned simple that the energy efficiency should be better than some alternatives. And that self regulation, would function with variety in fuels. Coal, coke, wood, charcoal, garbage would probably run OK as cocktail or individually. The furnace would not really rate as a pressure vessel, these plants were built to drive large stationary engines the same as used to ne fed by town gas. And the later automobile versions, simply breathed into the carby. The "safety valve" could be as simple as an open water column of say 1 meter height. AC> I was then a bowser boy! Clean your windscreen sir?? JR> Most certainly! And are you as good at house windows?? No way! Keep the curtains closed to help house insulation performance. A window is a convenient emergency exit! Cheers.....ALEC ... ........BUNDANOON, on a dirt track leading to the Info Superhighway --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Bundanoon, Southern Highlands, NSW AUS (3:712/517.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00034 Date: 09/11/97 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 12:50pm \/To: JIM DUNMYER (Read 1 times) Subj: DIESEL AIRCRAFT Jim Dunmyer wrote in a message to Day Brown: JD> the traditional objections and shortcomings of Diesel engines JD> are being overcome with newer technology, What are those? email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00035 Date: 09/11/97 From: DAY BROWN Time: 11:32pm \/To: JOCK ROGAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Heat Engine Electric On 09-07-97 Jock Rogan wrote to Day Brown... JR> LOYS I seem to remember seeing a piston of similar dimentions when I JR> was at JR> trade school. Well, two actually, one was from a water pumping station JR> and JR> the other was from a marine engine. Apparently the marine engines all JR> had JR> individually cylinder blocks so if (as in the example at trade school) JR> they JR> crack a ring and score the bore badly they can be replaced virtually JR> in situ. Well, thanx Jack. Marine engines are kinda scarce in my neck of the Ozark woods. ;( ___ * OFFLINE 1.58 * I got the right answer!!!! What was the question? --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00036 Date: 09/11/97 From: DAY BROWN Time: 11:44pm \/To: ALEC CAMERON (Read 1 times) Subj: Diesel Aircraft Freighte On 09-08-97 Alec Cameron wrote to Jim Dunmyer... AC> Of course if exotic aircraft are not too far off topic,.. DONT think so. I've been wondering what a deisel seaplane that could land on any river might look and perform like. If the 1/7 th hp of a man can get 200 lbs of aircraft flying, then a 200 hp deisel should be able to get 50 tons anyway airborn if you don't care too much about how fast you fly, say 100km/hr to be able to make headway against a cold front. You can get a 200 hp deisel working pretty hard on 3 gallons an hour ___ * OFFLINE 1.58 * I've enough cynacism for six; sure is fun. ;-) --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * After F/X * Rochester N.Y. 716-359-1662 (1:2613/415) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00037 Date: 09/13/97 From: WAYNE RAY Time: 01:20am \/To: JIM DUNMYER (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: HEAT ENGINE ELECTRIC >> > The very first steam engines had a piston that was several FEET in >> >> > And they worked at '0' PSI steam pressure. >> >> "0" can be measured. If you have "0" PSIG, then you don't have >> steam. Now pressure measured in inches of water column, (in.W.C.) is > Wayne, > You missed the first part of my story. Those early steam engines did, in > fact, work at '0' steam pressure. The purpose of the steam was to > displace the air. Water was then sprayed into the cylinder to condense > the steam, causing a vacuum, so that the atmospheric pressure on the > other side would cause the piston to stroke. > Yes, it might have had a measurable pressure in inches of water column, > but the effective pressure was essentially '0'. And again, water vapor at "0" PSIG is NOT steam. --- DB 1.58/004948 * Origin: Searchlight Global Access BBS (1:3826/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00038 Date: 09/14/97 From: SOUTHERN STAR Time: 02:34am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Expired Listing Hello. The Zone 1 Backbone only carries echoes listed in the Zone 1/2 EchoList. It seems that the listing for this echo has expired. Thus, it will be necessary for someone to assume the moderatorship and list it if it is to remain on the Zone 1 Backbone. There is a three month grace period to accomplish this. For more information please consult these files: BOFAQxxx.TXT and ELISTxxx.ZIP, where "xxx" is the version number. They are available from most hubs or can be requested from 1:1/200, 1:1/201 or 1:396/1. Regards, Zone 1 Backbone Operations --- Harvey's Robot v6.00 * Origin: Southern Star - sstar.com - V.32b/V.34+ - 504-885-5928 - (1:396/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00039 Date: 09/13/97 From: JIM DUNMYER Time: 07:51am \/To: ALEC CAMERON (Read 1 times) Subj: HEAT ENGINE ELECTRIC Discussing the man-lifts used in mines: > Thanks for that info. I wonder if the crankshaft was a useful > complication?? I'd think it would be just about necessary to keep the 2 parts synchronized. A walking beam would do that function, but the parts would be too far apart. I may be off-base, Alec. I've seen pictures of these things, but I can't say if I've ever seen a picture of the top and bottom of them. Dunno how else they'd work right offhand. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00040 Date: 09/13/97 From: JIM DUNMYER Time: 07:58am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 1 times) Subj: DIESEL AIRCRAFT >JD> the traditional objections and shortcomings of Diesel engines >JD> are being overcome with newer technology, > > What are those? Excessive weight, hard starting when they're cold, noise, and smoking. Many people forget that no technology is static unless/until it's abandoned altogether. There have been many engines proposed to eliminate the conventional gasoline-fueled piston engine. Turbines, steam, electric, and rotary come to mine. And while each offers their own advantages, they have disadvantages, too. Meanwhile, the technology for the old piston engine keeps evolving, making them better and better. Many people look fondly upon the 'big iron' of the '60's, yet few would say that those engines were 'better' than today's stuff. We have better reliability, longevity, economy, starting, and emissions than those antiques could even think of. The only thing that today's piston engines lack in comparison is brute horsepower, and that's not because the technolgy is lacking. Same thing with Diesels: many people wrote them off because of the above-mentioned objections. Yet most of those can be overcome or at least minimized with better engineering. The new VW TDI (Turbo Direct Injection) engines are a good example. Quiet, easy starting, no smoke. And the Passatt gets over well 40 MPG in normal driving. If it holds up as well as my '91 Jetta Diesel (213,000 miles and counting), it'll be a fine outfit. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00041 Date: 09/14/97 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 02:41pm \/To: ALL CONCERNED (Read 1 times) Subj: Expired Listing -> The Zone 1 Backbone only carries echoes listed in the Zone 1/2 -> EchoList. Again, don't be alarmed folks. The matter is well under control. (Except for Souvestre's robot.....) ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: EDM00042 Date: 09/14/97 From: MIKE ROSS Time: 12:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Roston powertrain Does anyone have any info on the Roston (?) powertrain? --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133)