--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEM00006 Date: 10/18/96 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 07:37am \/To: CLOYCE OSBORN (Read 3 times) Subj: Ammonia Air Condition FP> "Servals"? Hmm. Didn't know that, but your message sounded promising. FP> What about the possibility of leakage? I understand that Ammonia cound FP> be very toxic. CO> You're rightfully concerned because ammonia can be VERY toxic. CO> In both the Servel refrigerators and in the LPG gas fired CO> refrigerators used in recreational vehicles, the quantity of CO> ammonia used is small enough not to present a great risk. In CO> addition, the entire refrigerant system is constructed of steel CO> tubing (not copper or plastic) with welded joints and isn't CO> designed to flex (as would a refrigerant system on an CO> automobile air conditioner, for example). The only incident I can recall hearing about was in a warehouse, and that took a forklift accident to damage the tubing... CO> While I haven't had the opportunity to closely examine one of CO> the large commercial gas fired coolers, I do know that they CO> don't circulate the ammonia through the building but, rather, CO> use it to chill water (or a water/antifreeze mix) and then CO> circulate that through the building. That apparently wasn't the case in the situation I heard about a while back. CO> I'd bet that they do it that way to keep the ammonia out in the CO> open air where it can dissipate quickly and without endangering CO> people. Looking at the RV I've got sitting outside, the refrigerator has a vent panel right behind it, the same size as the fridge, that would probably take care of that (no venting to the inside, either). --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEN00000 Date: 10/18/96 From: CLOYCE OSBORN Time: 11:25am \/To: BILL BAUER (Read 3 times) Subj: Junk batteries BB> I don't know how much good either the EDTA stuff or the cadium sulfate BB> will do as of yet. I guess I would have to try some junk batteries BB> with each separately and then some with the two chemicals combined BB> to find out. The EDTA will most definitely revive a few batteries, BB> If the EDTA would salvage 50 to 75 percent of the batteries I would BB> otherwise junk then it would be well worth it and if it don't do that BB> then it isn't going to be worth me fooling with it and it would only BB> cost me about 85 cents or so per battery. Did I hear you say JUNK BATTERIES? Hey, I'm local to you (just southeast of Moore) and have a few of them critters. Want to swap me one working 12v battery (to put in my Jeep) for whatever we can find and load in your pickup? Of course, you'll have to supply the muscle to load them since I'm crippled but I'll be glad to show you where they are. If interested, look me up in the local phone book and give me a call some evening. A name like mine is hard to miss. Regards. Cloyce. --- EZPoint V2.2 * Origin: Res Ipsa Loquitur, Indian Territory (1:147/34.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEN00001 Date: 10/18/96 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 11:44pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 4 times) Subj: Ammonia Air Condition -> Looking at the RV I've got sitting outside, the refrigerator has a -> vent panel right behind it, the same size as the fridge, that would -> probably take care of that (no venting to the inside, either). They really don't want folks exposed to that stuff. One whiff of it knocked my daddy out, cold as a stone. Did permanent damage to his lungs too. Rest assured that the ammonia itself is in a closed loop system NOT distributed to the vicinity of the recipients. ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEP00000 Date: 10/16/96 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 01:53pm \/To: ELAINE ROBERTS (Read 3 times) Subj: Hot Water ER> This certainly has given us a lot of info to go on, and can ER> use it to compare...when we get to Florida. I've printed ER> your entire message out. ER> You've been a big help Rich, Thanks very much. You are welcome. BTW, I saw you msg about suppliers and wanted to give you some info. Now this is two years old and the company may have changed it's name but the company has been around for quite a while so I'm sure they will still be there. INTEGRAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 109 Argall Way Nevada City, CA 95959 1-800-735-6790 Give them a call and tell them what you are looking for and they can probably be able to give you more info. Also ask for their catalog, there's a lot of good things and info in it. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEP00001 Date: 10/18/96 From: RUSS WILLIAMS Time: 06:00pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 3 times) Subj: Ammonia Air Condition CO> I'd bet that they do it that way to keep the ammonia out in the CO> open air where it can dissipate quickly and without endangering CO> people. RJT> Looking at the RV I've got sitting outside, the refrigerator has a RJT> vent panel right behind it, the same size as the fridge, that would RJT> probably take care of that (no venting to the inside, either). They *can* leak into the inside through the evap coil; I had a "Dometic" spring a leak inside once. I don't know how long it had been after the leak started when I went into the RV as it was between trips, but the concentration was still pretty strong.. I knew instantly what had happened. ... Political Correctness is ignorance of reality. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The HobbyBoard - Sacramento, CA. 916-332-5823 (1:203/333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEP00002 Date: 10/18/96 From: MIKE YUST Time: 07:14am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 3 times) Subj: PHOTOVOLTAIC AIR CON ====================================================================== From: Elvis Hargrove Conference: 3007 , HOMEPOWR To: Mike Yust Message: 511 Reply To: 0 Subj: PHOTOVOLTAIC AIR CON Date: 10-16-96 Time: 10:55 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -> What about removing the compresor from an rv unit and paching it > into > -> a window frame? > > What about it? They aint DC either! > > ^..^ > --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' > * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) > sorry I have seen one or two that were either mechanical or dc with an inverter. They ran on propane, DC12V, and AC120V never took one apart but it had to be one or the other hmmm ok I am putting on my asbesttious suit flame away. Mike Yust/Chaos | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... * <- Tribble <- after the wash cycle --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.22 * Origin: (1:138/293) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEP00003 Date: 10/18/96 From: MIKE YUST Time: 07:00pm \/To: CLOYCE OSBORN (Read 3 times) Subj: PHOTOVOLTAIC AIR CON ====================================================================== From: Cloyce Osborn Conference: 3007 , HOMEPOWR To: Mike Yust Message: 513 Reply To: 0 Subj: Re: PHOTOVOLTAIC AIR CON Date: 10-16-96 Time: 10:20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Unfortunately, the RV air conditioning units all run on 110vac. You > can only > use them when your RV is hooked into the grid. If you're out in the > woods or > simply parked at a roadside rest stop, it's "Crank open the windows, > Sally, > it's gonna get hot in here tonight." :-( > > Regards. Cloyce. > > --- EZPoint V2.2 > * Origin: Res Ipsa Loquitur, Indian Territory (1:147/34.13) > Ok I musta seen a freak of nature saw one that ran on all three propane, 12v dc, and 120v ac but thanks for the info I will try not to put my foot into my mouth again Chaos | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... BBS addiction is a Terminal disease. --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.22 * Origin: (1:138/293) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: DEP00004 Date: 10/14/96 From: ARLO HAGLER Time: 09:27pm \/To: DAY BROWN (Read 3 times) Subj: Battery additives DB> I am one of those folks... tried EDTA on the battery bank in the DB> cellar of my house, and it raised the peak voltage/cell .1 volt; I DB> had planned to repeat the treatment when the daylight hours DB> increased, but my home burned down in late Feb, so that experiment DB> ended. DB> DB> Recently got a new supply from trailhead supply 325 E. 1165 N. Orem DB> UT 84057,,, 1 lb @ $15.50 incl s&h.... tried it on a couple old car DB> batts. brought dead cells up to 25% charge so far. True it may not DB> make the battery start a car again, but even at 25% it is useful for DB> a cheap battery bank for HP. And THAT's an extreme case, folks. Thanks, Day. :) --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Home Power BBS - Renewables R Us (707) 822-8640 (1:2002/442)