--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00005 Date: 05/09/96 From: GEORGE PERALES Time: 09:10pm \/To: GERALD LIVINGSTON (Read 3 times) Subj: Circuit Problem Wow !!! What a vivid descriptive reply ..... But the point came across well ........ Will replace that breaker ASAP .... Thanks, --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: THE GOLDEN COCO other's COMPUTER (1:106/941) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00006 Date: 05/13/96 From: T OWEN Time: 07:01pm \/To: CHARLES MUSGROVE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Steam Power ( time for new name!) -=> Quoting Charles Musgrove to T Owen <=- CM> A buddy with a machine shop and you've got CM> 4/5ths of the construction effort taken care of! One other thing, CM> the steam engines this book talks about go nowhere near the speed of CM> even a slow IC engine. Hundred RPM would be extremely fast! The oil CM> in a crankcase would not get a chance to get knocked up into the CM> cylinder. But with the temperature so low, high temp grease on the CM> bearings and a teflon ring around the piston(s) would take care of the CM> lubrication requirements easily! Sounds interesting. I already have a machine shop too. High temp grease and teflon rings sounds like the ticket. Take care. ... That was Zen; this is Tao. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00007 Date: 05/14/96 From: T OWEN Time: 01:24am \/To: TOM DUGAS (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Hot Water Heater ?? -=> Quoting Tom Dugas to All <=- TD> Let's say I set up a standard minimal off-the-grid homestead in sunny TD> Texas. Couple to four PV setups, 12V battery base powered, 110V TD> inverter for occasional use, LPG fired generator to charge things up TD> when cloudy/rainy days roll around or to provide 110V when needed for TD> large loads. TD> But what about hot-water? Brrrrr! I couldn't get past this stumbling TD> block (I'm a weenie, I like hot showers, ;-^ ) but then I thought, TD> hey, they make natural gas fired water heaters, wouldn't that work off TD> of a LPG system?? Nope. You need one designed for LPG; I believe that the orifice of the jet is a different size. I use LPG for water heating, and it is fine, but a standard tank type heater uses a lot of gas; I would recommend a tankless model. Take care. ... STRIKE HERE ---------------->[X]<----------------FOR NEW MONITOR --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127) On (02 May 96) Ian Woofenden wrote to Wes Boyd... IW> WB> I have been kicking around the idea of setting up a small IW> WB> astronomical observatory at a location that's pretty distant (deleted) IW> AFAIK, Wincharger went out of business some years ago. But you don't IW> want one anyway . We lived with a 450 for almost 10 years, and it IW> was a headache. The new machines are much better. We now have a IW> Whisper 1000 and it has given us much power and no trouble. There is IW> a 600 watt model available. There's also a machine called the Air IW> 300 (?) that is a 300 watt machine and runs about $500. All I know is I saw one in a Edmund catalogue some years ago. If this observatory project gets off the ground, wind or solar seems like the way to go. That's assuming we ever get a clear night . . . the kind of weather we've been having takes all the fun out of astronomy. Thanks much for your help. -- Wes ... He said:"Keep looking up." And I got a facefull of rain. --- PPoint 1.67 * Origin: Wes' Point (1:2330/210.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00008 Date: 05/06/96 From: WES BOYD Time: 06:28pm \/To: IAN WOOFENDEN (Read 3 times) Subj: Wind/propane On (02 May 96) Ian Woofenden wrote to Wes Boyd... IW> WB> I have been kicking around the idea of setting up a small IW> WB> astronomical observatory at a location that's pretty distant (deleted) IW> AFAIK, Wincharger went out of business some years ago. But you don't IW> want one anyway . We lived with a 450 for almost 10 years, and it IW> was a headache. The new machines are much better. We now have a IW> Whisper 1000 and it has given us much power and no trouble. There is IW> a 600 watt model available. There's also a machine called the Air IW> 300 (?) that is a 300 watt machine and runs about $500. All I know is I saw one in a Edmund catalogue some years ago. If this observatory project gets off the ground, wind or solar seems like the way to go. That's assuming we ever get a clear night . . . the kind of weather we've been having takes all the fun out of astronomy. Thanks much for your help. -- Wes ... He said:"Keep looking up." And I got a facefull of rain. --- PPoint 1.67 * Origin: Wes' Point (1:2330/210.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00009 Date: 05/06/96 From: WES BOYD Time: 06:32pm \/To: DAVE HASSLER (Read 3 times) Subj: Wind/propane On (04 May 96) Dave Hassler wrote to Wes Boyd... DH> On 5/2/96 Ian Woofenden wrote to Wes Boyd and said... DH> DH> WB> Some years ago, the 200-watt Wincharger used to be pretty DH> available, DH> WB> and at a reasonable price. However, I haven't noticed it DH> recently... DH> IW> 600 watt model available. There's also a machine called the Air DH> 300 DH> IW> (?) that is a 300 watt machine and runs about $500. DH> DH> The new Sunelco catalog calls it the Air 303 Wind Module from the DH> SouthwestWindpower company (pg. 43). 12 or 24 v, 300 watts at 28mph. DH> $548. DH> Sunelco's phone# is: 406-363-6924 Thanks for the tip. Will look into it, even though this isn't a high priority project; four of us have been kicking it around for a couple of years, and a couple shake their head at the power situation. I told them that there were cheaper ways to solve it than planting power poles . . . and there are. Thanks for the tip. -- Wes Boyd ... Exercise, eat right, stay fit, die anyway... --- PPoint 1.67 * Origin: Wes' Point (1:2330/210.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00010 Date: 05/08/96 From: HELEN PEAGRAM Time: 12:14pm \/To: RAUL ALMQUIST (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: YOU KNOW Raul Almquist nattered on about YOU KNOW on 04 May 96 06:49 to Helen Peagram RA> You can start by 1st off replacing your fuelish appliances with RA> appliances which use quite a bit less power... just this alone can RA> save you a lot of $, as well as prepare you for the next stage of RE, RA> that of installing one of the various RE generating options... but RA> 1st the appliances, you would have to do this in any case if you RA> really go to RE and to do this without going to RE would cut your RA> existing bill down quite a bit. What do you mean by fuelish appliances? I switched to gas appliances when we redid our kitchen but my electric bill never came down. What kind of appliances are you referring to? HP *^^^^^* ******* HUGS! ( Q Q ) FROM _________ooO_ V _Ooo______________ THE MOM! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Blue Beam,Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada 905-662-5784 (1:244/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00011 Date: 05/05/96 From: NANCY KING Time: 10:44am \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: WILD BLACKBERRY FESTIVAL -=> Note: Copied (from: sust_ag) by Scott Parks using timEd. ORGANIC/WILDCRAFTING FESTIVAL THE WILD BLACKBERRY FESTIVAL - July and August, 1996 - Washington and Vancouver, B.C. Announcing the 4th Annual Wild Blackberry Festival, a three week event this July and August. We follow the phases of the moon as in the Old Farmers Almanac. We encourage involvement during this educational event produced by non-profit, floating, multi-media complex. We put out a call for participation for the public event held in Pt. Roberts, Washington and at Jericho Beach, Vancouver. We are considering speakers, musicians, entertainment, booths of educational material and representation on gardening, farming, wildcrafting, etc. We are seeking artists and craftspeople to submit entries to the Art Eco exhibit hat features the wild and harvest. Donations of gardening books, printed matter, seeds, tools, etc. for sharing with the public during or for special events of the day are greatly appreciated. Booths for environmental organizations are reserved on special terms. Music is donated. Sale of artwork is represented. Donation of art is gratefully received for sale and auction. Come to Jericho Beach for an old-fashioned country fair. We'll have crafts, food, traditional folk music, a herb walk and information on our water resources. We're encouraging organic garden practices, composting echniques, safe preserving and fine baking from the harvest of your garden, as well as harvest from wild sources. Enjoy a better understanding of our common environment and hear how to take better care of your soil. We guarantee you wild time! What will you find at a Wild Blackberry Festival? You can enter a lackberry poetry contest... or a blackberry pie eating contest. Learn water safe practices for our inland seas. Listen to some great jazz, toe tappin' Celtic music, baroque, some rockin'country. Or, watch craftspeople display their skills. The Wild Blackberry Festival has something for everyone. The Wild Blackberry Festival is a production of "The Daily Planet, network" (an organization completely separate from the BBS of a similar name from which this message is originating). "The Daily Planet, network" has produced an environmental television series about how you can make a real contribution to solving the problems we share in common all over this small planet of ours. We have also proposed a multi-media complex that will function as a clearinghouse for international environmental news, environmental art, watertesting, and information. We offer you an opportunity to support a critical, world-wide environmental networking service. For more information, send e-mail to: or leave voice ail at: 808-573-3124 or call Lance Lay at 604-255-2009 (Vancouver, BC) or send "snail" mail to: Nancy King, 635 Evergreen Lane, Pt. Roberts, Washington 98281. Thank you for your consideration. --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Daily Planet BBS - Maui, HI (808-572-4857) (1:345/111) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00012 Date: 05/14/96 From: TOM DUGAS Time: 2:30am \/To: STEPHEN BYRNE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Hot Water Heater ?? -=> Quoting Stephen Byrne to Tom Dugas <=- TD> Let's say I set up a standard minimal off-the-grid homestead TD> in sunny Texas. Couple to four PV setups, 12V battery base TD> powered, 110V TD> But what about hot-water? Brrrrr! I couldn't get past this TD> stumbling TD> Is this sort of thing practical on a small scale, let's say TD> 250-400 Gallons? SB> 250 - 400 gallons is a LOT of hot water. If you really do need SB> this much each day then I would certainly go solar. Sorry, meant to say 250-400 gallons of *reserve* water. I don't think my daily shower uses 200 Gallons of water, hot or otherwise. ;-)... ... And a great whirling and a bashing of keys arose. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- InterEcho 1.17 * Origin: The Arena Spring,TX (713) 362-9772 (1:106/9772) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 272 HOME POWER Ref: D5K00013 Date: 05/14/96 From: TOM DUGAS Time: 2:31am \/To: JEFF HUNTER (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Hot Water Heater ?? -=> Quoting Jeff Hunter to Tom Dugas <=- > But what about hot-water? Brrrrr! I couldn't get past this > stumbling > Is a natural gas fired water heater totally without electrical > connections? JH> Yes JH> How about an on demand water heater. It fires up when you turn JH> of the water flow, turns off when you are done. Didn't know about demand water heaters...Thanks! ... Dew knot trussed yore spell checquer two fined mistakes ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- InterEcho 1.17 * Origin: The Arena Spring,TX (713) 362-9772 (1:106/9772)