--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00061 Date: 04/25/98 From: CRAIG NADELL Time: 10:31pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: TW gold ok we got TW gold going up here in MI so anyone know any tips or new tricks to do dammage to the other players and benefit yourself?? /s --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: * GATEWAY BBS -A friendly place to be (810)742-6126 (1:2240/320) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00062 Date: 04/24/98 From: GENO MARINE Time: 05:20pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: do you really? [02/11 In a message to Bil Burton <04/20/98> Jim Pittman wrote: JP> -=> Quoting BIL BURTON to JIM PITTMAN <=- BB> I guess you couldn't figure that out-- that I was saying *If* you BB> *had* partners and *no* assets. Especially since if one quits a one BB> trader corp, the FTs go rogue. JP> More of your ignorance. I just went into my local 3.06b game and dropped JP> corp fighters as both CEO and member. I then quit the corp and left the JP> sector. Guess what? In both cases the fighters still belonged to the JP> corp and I had to face them as an enemy. Before you post your ignorant JP> opinions, try them out in actual play. Jim the message says if "one quits a one trader corp, the FT's go rogue." Guess you missed that part. :) ~~~~~Geno~~~~~ * WCE 2.1G1/2462 * Ever meet a Sysop who would admit the problem was his? --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.30 * Origin: ViaMAIL! -Illusions BBS 702-437-4438 Las Vegas, NV (1:209/155) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00063 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 05:25pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: not so sloppy scripts BB> someone else, who turns his nose up at POP bugs, has no reluctance BB> in killing, without the "bug's destroy the game" lecture, odd...)). JP> Are you refering to me? BB> Do you want me to draw you a picture? JP> JP> Again you lie, then. I have never opposed the use of bugs, in fact JP> you may read my tagline to this message which I have used for years. I guess it must be my imagination, what you've said about the POP bug. BB> to play in the future. You've never played it and have said so. I BB> am sure you'd hate it because you'd have to adjust your game and we BB> all know how you handle change. JP> Anyone who's ever read my posts or played against me knows that I JP> handle change quite well. Uh-huh. Play the POP bug yet? BB> fine, don't play POP. I like it and have urged TW to make it BB> available for future versions. If you don't like it, I'll give you BB> their address and you can let them know how you feel. JP> In my experiences with GM, he only listens to people who don't know JP> the game. That's why we have free planets and such. So he may listen JP> to you. However, from his stated intentions he wouldn't want to speed JP> up the game any. In fact, he has stated that he wants a game that JP> can't be won but goes on forever. I don't know why you keep bringing up Gm. I've never talked to him. You have. I don't care. JP> Face it, Bil. The reason you want the POP bug back is because you JP> think it gives you a way to play against PK4, we all know you can't JP> in the stock game. "Stock" game? You mean where evil traders get an advantage over good traders for no other reason than the game is rigged that way? It takes *no special talent* to press one key and have a program run a script thats an entire day's turn, as you have bragged. No skill to run SST, at all. There has *always* been a bias and *never* any contention that evil traders will win again otherwise equally-skilled traders, no other reason but that they play evil. I like the POP bug because there is no longer a built-in bias. jP> But the better players will take your bug and use it JP> better than you do. Yeah. Hasn't happen here. Myself, I don't brag on places I've never played, or people I've never played against. Especially when the line has always been open to prove it. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 = --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00064 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 05:26pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: do you really? [01/11 BB> It's obvious to me the warning was for the entire string of BB> messages-- and we both know MM and we both know how much he thought BB> of himself and his opinions. So don't try to pretend he is saying BB> something it ain't. JP> Then that is because you read into anything whatever you want to. He JP> distinctly said that the "etched in stone" was about when busts clear. JP> All your lies won't change that. Uh-huh. We both know MM-- maybe you forgot what he was like. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 o --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00065 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 08:36pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: do you really? [02/11 JP> How I went from evil to good? I merely got murdered. BB> You got murdered? Hmm, what was it that I advised? Hmm... JP> Yes, and you learned it from me. I've advocated this technique since JP> 1.03 days, and was one of the first to advocate it on this echo, JP> long before you came along. Yeah, right. I have to thank you for discovering gravity, too. You must have projected the technique subliminally, though. jP> Another way would be to leave Corp fighters in a sector, jp> quit the corp, and attack them. BB> Yeah, that's great advise on day one or two, if you have no BB> partners and no assets. Most people, though, pick up a few things BB> and quitting one's corp, especial when CEO, is a big deal. BB> Especially especially in POP games when the trader owns over 50 BB> planets. JP> Another example of your ignorance. If you have no partner, the corp JP> fighters will simply disappear. I guess you couldn't figure that out-- that I was saying *If* you *had* partners and *no* assets. Especially since if one quits a one trader corp, the FTs go rogue. jP> The person who asked how to drop align didn't specify JP> a POP game, nor anyother JP> dead-bug game, so I gave general information, not bug-specific. I'll JP> leave the dead-bug advice to you. It's hardly a dead bug. There are many people till playing v2.0x-- and more playing 3.0x-3.04, perhaps more than 3.05. You keep posting advise written before version 2. I don't know why you have to throw a tantrum everytime POP is mentioned. BB> And yet people continue to want to play good, inspite of your BB> advise. JP> Yes, and people continue to smoke cigaretts despite the scientific JP> evidence that it's not the healthiest lifestyle. So? Maybe there's a reason why people play good, inspite of the built in bias. That, and they don't find any fun in letting a script run most of their moves for them. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 t --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00066 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 08:31pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: do you really? [05/11 BB> A) Not everyone has Guru. JP> They should. Guru had it's problems. Most of them were in the personalities of people who sat in office. If you weren't offended by their documentation, you didn't read them. BB> B) Many people who have Guru cannot use it in current versions JP> They should register it. If people like it, they should, if they think it's worth the money. No different then for anything else. BB> Yes, another classic bad break. JP> So fire off a flame to the writers of BWAVE. BB> Has absolutely *nothing* to do with BWave. You posted this way. JP> BWAVE puts in the breaks. You know the message limits or should. It would not take long to break you tip file into logical chunks. I understand, it'd require effort. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 y --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00067 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 05:54pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: do you really? [06/11 BB> I put a challenge on this board, to average 1.5 million, and BB> it wasn't met. Real game, real world. Just because you remember BB> making 1.5 million a day doesn't an average make. JP> Just because people on your board can't do it doesn't mean that it JP> can't be done. I did it, my partner did it, Joel did it, Kris did it, JP> Vince did it, if fact anybody who tried SSTing in Mules the way we JP> advocated it did it. And I've done it (made 1.5 million SSting). Doesn't an average make. Especially the way *you* count. And the challenge was posted and never met. Doesn't mean it can't or has never been done. jP> I don't think this will be possible in the multiplayer jp> games, though. It would be foolish to SST around Stardock JP> in a Mule when another player can come in and attack you. I see. Multi-player games like most of the games now being played. Hmm... JP> Evil works best if you have a partner to clear your busts. BB> That's odd... who was it that said clearing busts is a bad idea- BB> what?- five minutes ago. I've got it right here, chiseled in stone BB> and pasted to my forehead. Who said that? Oh yeah... you... JP> Nobody said that, it's just another example of how you fail to JP> comprehend what you read. Read your own post. Sure, it's hard to get past the spelling errors. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 u --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00068 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 06:10pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: pk4 [1/2] JP> Since just one of us can make 3,000,000 credits per day (I'm not the JP> only one who claims this figure. BB> There are thousands of people who say that man walked with BB> dinosaurs, but it doesn't make it so. JP> So all of the people who agree with me are liars? I made 8 million on day 7 here, and I made less that day than two other players. Does not an average make. And your 1.5 million average a day SSTing doesn't add up-- that doesn't make you a liar, it just makes you not knowing what you are talking about. jp> And your lone unsupported claims are the only truth? I show you my math. JP> Bil, you whine about me not giving your POP bug a try, Whine, whine, whine, whine. I *suggested* keeping POP as a sysop option-- I like it, I think the people here like it, I think I should have the right to say I like it. Stating a opinion does not a whine make. You are beating POP to death and you've *never* even tried it. Try it. If you don't like it, then don't play it. If you don't like it a lot, then send you buddy GM your opinion. But- jeez, get a hobby! You screamed and hollered and rolled around on the forum floor when GM & company effectively took away SST. jp> but then you call a liar anyone I have *never* called anyone a liar here, ever. Even when some toadie claimed the POP instructions weren't posted here, long after he started calling me names, which, somehow, got past the forum censure unnoticed. The term pops up in you posts all the time, though. JP> Have you ever actually tried SSTing around Stardock in Mules? JP> Didn't think so, or else you wouldn't dispute our claims. Actually, I have (and have pointed this out to you several times). I dispute you claims because your math doesn't add up. That doesn't make it my fault. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 e --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00069 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 08:28pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: pk4 [1/2] BB> I am not the one with the closed mind. First you say picketing is BB> ineffective, and now you are saying you have enough money to go BB> clear the pickets. It is very clear that if you bother to remove BB> the pickets, they are effective. JP> The fact that I *can* (not must) remove your pickets and still widen JP> the money gap proves that they are not effective. I see-- you just suggested sending out your partner for fun, to remove all these non-effective pickets. Sure, your partner's not removing FTs (instead of making 1.5 million a day) because *he has to*, he's doing it because he *wants* to. Sure. Maybe it's just me, but I doubt you'd raise an eyebrow unless you had a good reason to. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 n --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 124 TRADE WARS Ref: F5G00070 Date: 04/15/98 From: BIL BURTON Time: 08:17pm \/To: JIM PITTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: not so sloppy scripts BB> debris field. After all, I can create a debris field right the SD, BB> for the same money, and it would cost me exactly as much as it cost BB> you. JP> No you can't. What version are *you* playing? Yes you can. Up to and including 2.08b. ... Bil Burton, a.k.a. =: barefoot =: Corvallis, OR --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: The Computer Hotline! - telnet://bbs.klock.com (1:357/1.0)