--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00005Date: 02/06/97 From: ANDREW PECKHAM Time: 03:33am \/To: TREVOR WALLACE (Read 2 times) Subj: Is there a Dr in the house? -=> Quoting Trevor Wallace to Andrew Peckham <=- TW> I'm a bad influence wherever I go. :) Solution: Don't go anywhere! Simple really. AP> Seriously though, sex seems to get more responses on these doors, so AP> I use it to get to know people, not the first time sex has been used AP> like that, I'm sure. TW> Rarely so overtly when it comes to Who, and BBC scifi in general. Perhaps just not in the respectable circles you haunt, without extensive research to support you here, you're condemning me on a generalisation. TW>> The "kill `em all and let Xoannon sort `em out" approach works for TW>> me every time... :) AP> The darker side to us all, confronted with a situation like this AP> wants to strike out reflexively, and so to have someone by the Doc's AP> side, (especially Doc's like Tom and Pat, who were sooooo anti AP> violence) willing, ready and capable of such action, we find our AP> anger is placated, and the show feels more balanced. TW> T'hell with balance, I'm just in it for the senseless violence. :) AP> For me though, and I fully enjoyed Leela as a companion, but Romana AP> was a better companion. I liked the fact that he finally had an AP> equal, someone he could truly communicate with. Someone who could AP> point out his errors, offer sound advice, and someone who didn't AP> scream as much as Sarah Jane. TW> Communication aside, the fact that Romana could put the Doctor in his TW> place was A Good Thing, especially considering TomDoc's attitude TW> became a little less, ummm, sensitive the longer he played the role. TW> Not that I can recall a great deal of such place putting... AP> I would hazard a guess also that there was some part of me that AP> enjoyed not being spoken down to via the proxies of his companions, AP> in a way, *we* the audience were finally being treated like his AP> equals. TW> I don't really notice this sort o' thing that much. Obviously, if the TW> Doctor were to just go about his business and never explain, `twould TW> not make for much of a show, No, good point...But, there are degrees to this sort of thing, and although the BBC are normally a lot more subtle than other production houses, they could tend to patronise the audience, especially during Hartnell-Troughton. but I've never felt "the producers've TW> I'm just along for the ride; understanding emotions, TW> motivations, philosophy or sciences of it all is very much optional. TW> Besides which (and it's quite a large besides), they're just making it TW> up! :) The magic of going along for the ride resides within your ability to suspend disbelief. When the curtains come down, and the lights go up, that becomes harder to do. As fans we create elaborate and delicate threads to bind stories together into one balanced, and justifyable entity. This is much easier, the less detail they explain. I think this is another reason I didn't like the companion having all revealed to them. (Not that that ever happened) TW>> Indeed it was. Not so bad an effort on the part of the BBC, eh? AP> Absolutely, they can pull off bloody miracles on pitiful budgets AP> those guys TW> The important thing is that no amount of money can purchase a decent TW> imagination. Something sorely lacking from latter day Who's at TW> times... :| Here here! On both counts!! McCoy's era should be burnt! And if the script writers can't come up with the old Who magic, HELL, just re-make the lost episodes. ... He's got Blue Wave fever and it's spreading through the message bases! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Midnight Cowboy's BBS [Multi-Line] +618 322 2046 (3:800/843) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00006Date: 02/06/97 From: ANDREW PECKHAM Time: 04:06am \/To: JAMES DIXON (Read 2 times) Subj: The Doctor's 8th Incarnat -=> Quoting JAMES DIXON to ANDREW PECKHAM <=- JD> Well, you're at least telling it like it is...You wouldn't believe JD> how often I've gotten flamed for bitching over the McCoy episodes... I find it hard to believe that any diehard Doc fan would flame you for those opinions, McCoy didn't play a Who character, in Who adventures. It was just too different from anything that had gone before it. JD> how every other story featured at least one child or baby (the baby JD> in "Delta and the Bannermen," the little blonde hiding under the JD> table in "Dragonfire," the Dalek tot in "Remembrance of the Daleks," Oh God! How that little BRAT annoyed the F*#$@ out of me!!!! JD> Well, from what I read the actors were being dismissed by the BBC--not JD> that they had much say in the matter... This reminds me, while i have your attention, this industrial trouble we keep reading about TomDoc having with the BBC, what was all that about? ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!" --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Midnight Cowboy's BBS [Multi-Line] +618 322 2046 (3:800/843) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00007Date: 02/06/97 From: ANDREW PECKHAM Time: 04:15am \/To: JAMES DIXON (Read 2 times) Subj: Is there a Dr in the hous -=> Quoting JAMES DIXON to ANDREW PECKHAM <=- AP>for a Gallifreyan! To change tacks for a change, I found Katy Manning Jo AP>Grant) AP>was probably the second most attractive female. Strange that she too was JD> close AP>to an equal for the Doc. Not perhaps in Intelligence, but in JD> Wisdom! What AP>would AP>be your feelings on this one? JD> I found her very attractive and cute--but too much of a dumb blonde JD> type... Sort of like Nyssa without the education and aloofness... Or the Great costumes! AP> AP>Romana as a name just grabbed me as having a nice sound to it. Kind of AP> AP>unusual, but not completely off the wall. So it wasn't just a tribute to AP>the AP> AP>Doc. AP> JD> Well, how does Romanadvratralunder sound? AP> Like a mouthful!! I just know I'm going to regret asking this, but WHY? JD> If you're gonna give her a Who name you'd might as well give her the JD> full name! Get Stuffed! I can't say it let alone spell it! Dr.Marvin Martian at the controls. "Where's the Wang-Wa? There's supposed to be the muted sound of Wang-Wa!!" ... This tagline is SHAREWARE! To register, send me $10 --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Midnight Cowboy's BBS [Multi-Line] +618 322 2046 (3:800/843) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00008Date: 02/06/97 From: ANDREW PECKHAM Time: 04:21am \/To: ANTHONY VAN PYRE (Read 2 times) Subj: who -=> Quoting Anthony Van Pyre to Andrew Peckham <=- -> -=> Quoting Anthony Van Pyre to Joe Mason <=- -> -> JM>What's Time Rift? -> -> AVP> time rift is a fan produced dr who which is acutally quite good -> AVP> most respects you can order it from 1800 trekker i do belive or -> AVP> jon himself -> AVP> -!- -> -> Sorry to butt in like this, and I am only joining part way thru, but -> this Time Rift you're talking about, Book, Mag, Vid, Audio??? -> Enquiring minds need to know!! Oh and if you read this Joe, I should -> responded to your message by now, so go check your mail. -> -> time rift is a video and it will soon be a book 1800 trekker I think I can work out (Toll Free?) but who's Jon? Again sorry for butting in! And thanx for the reply!! ... "Half a bee, philosophically, must ipso facto, half not be!" --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Midnight Cowboy's BBS [Multi-Line] +618 322 2046 (3:800/843) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00009Date: 02/07/97 From: ANDREW PECKHAM Time: 02:52am \/To: JOE MASON (Read 2 times) Subj: While we're wishing... -=> Quoting Joe Mason to Andrew Peckham <=- JM> :-) I'm not going to write this one, though - I already have six or JM> seven I'm working on, and it's getting to be far too much! Do yourself a favour, take one and finish it. Trust me, we sound like we have a bit in common. A whole lot of good ideas running around our heads, without too much taken all the way to completion. But until you do you won't have the tools you need to make the most of your gifts. The more you do finish, the more you can refine your ideas in their gestation period and so the less time you'll waste with dud ideas. I don't know all of this for a fact, I've just seen the starts of this effect, as I've begun to get tougher with myself, and finish stories. AP>inclination. Imagine the Doc's rage when he discovers that his free JM> trav AP>elling has been planned, that he's been the pawn in a power game, AP>that he has been the very effective tool, of the type of people he AP>hates the most. His reaction, his revenge, would be a thing of truly AP>epic proportions. And the psychological scars would be enough to AP>push him into becoming the Valeyard. One possible alternative for AP>that change. Otherwise it could just be a one off evil streak while JM> Ack! Now I've got three conceptions of where the Valeyard comes from! JM> I like this idea a lot, it's a shame to throw it out, but - hmm, come JM> to think of it, maybe it DOES fit my other idea of what makes the JM> Valeyard tick - guilt. I have to say thankyou for not rejecting it. I value your judgement, and this was one idea for the Doc that I've liked for a very long time. It really allows us to work in a whole new Dark and Adult twist (something lacking post Peter Davidsons era). The idea that it gives birth to the Valeyard is something that I've only been working on since "meeting" you but I've got to say, it's like it was always meant to be, it just flows so smoothly. JM> Yeah - guilt AND rage. That works very well. Okay, so the Time Lords JM> have been manipulating the Doctor, and when he finds out he vows JM> revenge, and regenerates into the Valeyard. Do you still see this regeneration as being forced upon him to stop the Master stealing all his other regenerations, and it is therefore still as a mixture with the Master? I liked this idea, but if you don't think it'll work....hey, it's your baby! And if they don't mix, we could always have them team up from time to time, with the delicious irony that now there is every chance that it's the Doc who will take advantage of the Master. Can you imagine the expression on his face, the first time he realises he's been out-tricked, and therefore stabbed in the back, by Mr. Goody two shoes? Talk about DELICIOUS. Of course with the flexibility of the Doc universe, all sorts of things are possible. it would be nigh impossible to paint ourselves into a corner. What we would have to be careful of is that we make our script devices clever, and plausible. But I was thinking that if the Valeyard was initially a mix of the Doc and the Master, we could drag that out for all the legs it had, then have them discover a way to separate themselves into different bodies, with extra regenerations. Probably into the bodies of those Gallifreyan's responsible for controlling them. In which case they may not have too much choice what they end up with as host bodies one of them may even have to enter the body of a woman, even temporarily. And when I said controlling them, i was very deliberate in my use of words cause i see the Master as a likely pawn too, who had his monomaniacal tendencies created within him by the timelords. Maybe they brought the evil future him, in touch with his naive self, you know, contrived to have him lead himself astray. This created a predictable force for evil. While whatever they did to the Doc, made him a predictable force for good. The two were tools, some problems requiring one sort of tool, others requiring the different tool, and where a situation needed something in the middle, they simply brought the two together. In this way the Doc and the Master may have actually been paired off like opposing arms to a pair of scissors, a "Team" if you would (And I would say one of many) and this explains why they met so often, and could never reconcile their differences, they were designed to be diametrically opposed. After pulling apart from the "Valeyard" They'd go their separate ways again, but never the same. They'd know each other so much more intimately. I suggest that the Doc may not want to keep calling himself Valeyard, as this would be a tainted name, but he won't go back to Dr.Who either. That little treat we leave for the readers when he finally reconciles himself to his past, and decides where his future lies. "I reclaim my name, and all I thought it stood for, for a thousand years. My right to be Who I want to be, and to do What I want to o." Ahh something like that. The Valeyard has two main JM> goals - revenge on the Time Lords, and he want to make amends for all JM> the things they've made him do. Ergo highest priority will go to any course of action which can touch on both, right....like re-organising the Daleks if they're the biggest thorn in the Time Lords' sides. For example - the destruction of JM> Skaro must weigh heavily on his soul. How many times has he totally JM> changed the course of a society? How many times has he commited JM> genocide? (Remember, this is EXACTLY what the Valeyard accused him of JM> in Trial of a Timelord!) JM> Obviously, the Doctor of today thinks his actions were completely JM> justified. The Doctor of the future, however, looks back on all the JM> things he's done as sins Sins is a harsh term. Surely not all of his deeds, even under control of the Time Lords would have been sins in his Hindsight, rather he would resent the lack of self determination, he would view his acts as a whole, as being those of a fool, just as angry at himself. Undoing them would be his way of correcting mistakes. (I think, feel free to re-butt) Some acts, not all, he would see as Sins, and he would move mountains to make these right. that he has to atone for. And he will begin JM> by atoning for his destruction of Skaro, which scattered the Daleks JM> into homeless wanderers blazing tracks of destruction through the JM> universe. He takes one of these wandering groups of Daleks under his JM> wing, and leads them to a new place... a new home... Would the Doc not also, viewing his past lives as the manipulated misguided travels of a puppet, want to get back those lives, or at least interfere with the Time Lords control over them? I mean not just get his future regenerations, but go back to the start, and steal them all? I don't want him to succeed! But I think the Character would try. He'd have to fight all the safety protocols that are setup to stop that from happening. overrides that only the conspiracy Time Lords would know. This is only a sub-plot anyway, but what d'ya think? We work in the Human idea that past mistakes are regretable, but better left in the past, to remind us of how to travel in the future. Moral Lesson #4588 after all the concept is British! JM> EXODUS OF THE DALEKS JM> "You see them as the scourge of the Universe, as an evil that must be JM> destroyed. I see them as the instruments of my salvation!" JM> - The Doctor JM> (Coming soon to a Doctor Who conference near you... well, coming JM> whenever I get a chance to write it, that is. This could take years, JM> you realize.) I must apologise my friend, I've taken up far too much of your time, I've rambled on like some eager young school kid. Forgive me. One more question and then I'll go. With this round robin thing you were going over how we'd set up a Fido equivalent, please explain more about this Moderator, and where he/she fits in. And how soon we can get started. Cya round!! regards Andrew. Isn't "Dumb Blonde" a peroxymoron? ... New Mail not found. Start whine-pout sequence? (Y/N) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Midnight Cowboy's BBS [Multi-Line] +618 322 2046 (3:800/843) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00010Date: 02/07/97 From: ANDREW PECKHAM Time: 04:31am \/To: JOE MASON (Read 2 times) Subj: Is there a Dr in the hous -=> Quoting Joe Mason to Andrew Peckham <=- JM> "Is there a Dr in the hous", declared Andrew Peckham from the Vogon JM> ship: AP>Hopefully that is one apprehension quashed. Speaking of Terminus, AP>you ever wonder what happened to Nissa? I wish the script writers AP>had pulled their fingers AP>out and had doctors revisit more old companions. Even pull at the AP>old heart strings, and have one visit like Adrics grave, if he got AP>one, you know something AP>like that 2TBOMK no such episodes exist, y'all know of any? JM> There's some fan-fic about that - I saw it on alt.drwho.creative a JM> while ago. I could find another copy for you if you want. Oh, yes please!! But don't use it as an excuse to stop writing!! I want a story from you Girl. ... He's got Blue Wave fever and it's spreading through the message bases! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Midnight Cowboy's BBS [Multi-Line] +618 322 2046 (3:800/843) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00011Date: 02/07/97 From: THOMAS WINTER Time: 12:20pm \/To: STEPHEN GRISWOLD (Read 2 times) Subj: FOX and Dr.Who Hi Stephen SG> I think the main problem, is Fox Broadcasting may be going more on SG> demographics generated by their neilson ratings.. (how many people SG> watched the movie when it originally aired,), and may be going just on SG> that, to see if it would be worth investing beyond the $6.Million (US). SG> The main problem, They spent $6.Mill on producing, but probably spent SG> next to nothing, to "ADVERTISE" it's comming... I had only heard brief SG> notes of the movie's airing, and it wasn't until 2 weeks prior, that ANY SG> Ads had graced the local FOX Affiliate, and it hadn't even gotten heavy SG> promotion, until the article was made in the "TV Guide" for the week it SG> would air. The same thing happend to 'Space: Above and Beyond'. It seems to me, that FOX is no longer interested in produceing pure SciFi-series. They are concentrating on mystery-sieres like X-Files and Minellium. Is there advertising for Minellium in USA? [...] SG> Okay, a couple of key ideas... They needn't go with all of the great SG> 'Morphing' effects (The moving slime which had been The Master, or SG> when The Doctor (Paul) passed through the window-pane at Grace's SG> house.) right. That didn't look like Doctor Who. FOX knows, how to make good shows without big FX (e.g. X-Files). SG> Why not go back to the low-key Prop FX, like the original SG> series had? no need for Massive pyrotechnics, Just simple props.. SG> (well, Okay, MAYBE just the occational computer-generated FX.. What is cheaper? computer-generated FX oder low-cost 'real'-FX? btw: thanks for the eMail-address. I will use it carefully. bye, Tom --- * Origin: Fatal Error: COFFEE.CUP not found - User halted! (2:2494/700.28) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00012Date: 02/08/97 From: SHAWN SCOLACK Time: 11:26am \/To: RICHARD HUDSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Alexi Sayle's Stuff... RH> I loved that show! And up to about a couple of years ago, I had alot RH> of RH> the episodes on tape. Is the fat bastard still working? =) Hi, I have no idea if he's still around... I had almost given up hope that someone else had watched the show. It's a little foggy in my memory... I haven't seen it on the air for at least 3 years... Cool, do you know what other stuff Sayle has done? --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: [Windsor Download BBS] USR V.Everything (519)-973-9330 (1:246/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00013Date: 02/09/97 From: STEVE QUARRELLA Time: 01:40am \/To: JOE MASON (Read 2 times) Subj: Looking for great quotes Salue, Joe! Jovis dies February 06 1997, Dixit Joe Mason ad Steve Quarrella: SQ>> Missing Scripts archive?! JM> Doh! I deleted the bookmark, so I lost the address - try doing a JM> search for "Behind the Sofa", which is the page that contains it. http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Union/BTS/ is the one. And here's what they've got: Season 1 'Marco Polo' (1) 'The Reign of Terror' (4-5) Season 3 'Mission to the Unknown' (complete!) 'The Myth Makers' (1-3) 'The Daleks' Masterplan' (1-2) 'The Savages' (complete!) Season 4 'The Tenth Planet' (4) 'The Evil of the Daleks' (1-3) Season 5 'The Web of Fear' (complete) 'The Wheel in Space' (1-2,6) I'm pulling these down as I type this, and will eventually make them available on my BBS. I have (unfortunately, offline), some of the "video photonovels" that were created a few years ago. Need to restore my DW archives and make 'em available again. :) JM> They have transcripts of a lot of the missing episodes (not sure how JM> they got them), You've got to wonder. --- GoldED 2.51.A1026+ - Spank Our Wombats! * Origin: Valencia: "Smarter than the average bear." (1:124/9005) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: E2D00014Date: 02/09/97 From: AUDREY SEDDON Time: 10:44am \/To: BRUCE CLARK (Read 2 times) Subj: TARDIS? -=> Quoting Bruce Clark to All <=- BC> In the original Japanese version of Sailor Moon R TV, BC> during the opening credits, of at least episodes 73-78, BC> there is what appears to be an ALMOST exact replica of BC> Dr. Who's TARDIS in the police call box shape. I haven't seen this, but in the Sailor Stars series, the villainess travels around in a vanishing British style phone booth. :) Somebody in Japan must like Doctor Who. Audrey ... I don't think so, Stackyard! - Sixth Doctor --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133)