--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00009Date: 08/07/96 From: CHRISTOPHER J_WOOD Time: 09:22pm \/To: MARK STEVENS (Read 3 times) Subj: Who Movie Mark, MS> Cw> Sure was, watched it again the other day and switched off shortly MS> Cw> after the Doc finds out his identity, just got boring. MS>I watched it once, on video, and thought, "Well, it's not too bad I suppose. MS>I watched it a second time, on TV, and thought, "Well, actually it is a bit. MS>I haven't watched it since. After watching the likes of War without End & Severed Dreams on Babylon 5 the hamness of the Who movie seems a bit...crap! MS> PG>> Perhaps good Who will be made in a few years from now. MS> Cw> Ie: No BBC & FOX involvement?! :} MS>I reckon they should just let it be. It lasted 26 years, finished with MS>'Survival', had a brave attempt at a remake in 1996 and that was it. Rest MS>in peace, Doctor. Let's start making some new, original shows instead of MS>trying to rekindle dying flames. Thats true...shame, nothing wrong with the program, but a lot wrong with the people who make it unfortuantly... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christopher J_Wood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Netmail 2:254/233 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ darkstalker@ndirect.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Minbari Fighting Rod? Or are you just pleased to see me? --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ooh! BBS, London [MULTILINES] 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00010Date: 08/07/96 From: CHRISTOPHER J_WOOD Time: 09:30pm \/To: MARK STEVENS (Read 3 times) Subj: Dramatic Delay Delimiter Mark, MS> Cw> Pathetic really - the gold dust is supposed to clog their chest nits, MS> Cw> yet the later cybermen don't have open vents, so how can lady MS> Cw> Pain-in-the-arsefort scare them with gold arrows in silver nemesis?! MS>All that 'allergic to gold' bollocks is just silly. Have we ever had a MS>decent explanation as to *why* the Cybermen are allergic to gold? You'd MS>think that with their technology they'd have been able to find a way round MS>it. The old achilles heel - with Daleks it's (was) stairs. How will JMS handle the potential heel of the Shadows in Babylon5 in regard to the Psi-Corps and Telepaths? MS>But nah, it stayed in because it was the only lame excuse the writers ould MS>think of for getting rid of the Cybermen by the end of the story. I mean, MS>Ace's catapult and coins, for goodness' sake! That was just as joke...poor old Cybermen, turned from fearsome warriors into silly literal tin-men at the fayre. MS>Which brings me to another point -- the Dramatic Delay Delimiter, a piece MS>of hardware which seems to be the norm for all artificial/robotic species MS>appearing in Doctor Who. For example, a few characters will find hemselves MS>surrounded by three Cybermen. Cyberleader wanders into the scene and MS>bellows, "Erradicate them!" This is where the Dramatic Delay Delimiter MS>kicks in. Unlike most 'real life' computerised systems, where it would ake MS>mere milliseconds to execute a command, these Cybermen (or Daleks, etc.) MS>will pause for anywhere upwards of five seconds before the Doctor runs nto MS>the scene, wailing, "Stop!" (or some other deus ex machina prevents the MS>inevitable from occurring). Snigger - yeah that is annoying best examples are Earthshock - Cyberman wanders around trying to get into the TARDIS, failing to shoot his weapon at Nyssa and Tegan despite ample opportunity (perhaps he was saving the shots for Adric). And Rememberance of the Daleks - that classic scene where Ace is corned by three Daleks in the school.... Dalek 1: Exterminate! Dalek 2: Exterminate! Dalek 3: Exterminate! Dalek 2: Exterminate! Dalek 1: Exterminate! Dalek 3: Exterminate! (5 hours later) Dalek 1: Exterminate! Dalek 1: Exter...psst! oi Sylvester! Doc : Oh....Acccceeeee!! (fires that wibbly wobbly anti-dalek spirodon device thingy) Daleks: Aiggghhhheeeeee. Laughable stuff! Although overlooked because it was a firely competant script and had loads of action. Ever noticed how awful the Daleks are at fireing? Just take Revelation, the two Dalek factions are shooting at each other from point blank range and *still* missing! Same with Rememberance, the shoot everywhere *but* on target! But we still love the Daleks bless 'em! :}} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christopher J_Wood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Netmail 2:254/233 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ darkstalker@ndirect.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- * OLX 2.1 TD * ...maybe, your 'gonna be the one that slays me... --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ooh! BBS, London [MULTILINES] 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00011Date: 08/11/96 From: ELIZABETH PENROSE Time: 01:28pm \/To: MARK STEVENS (Read 3 times) Subj: Cliffhangers Suspence isn't the only reason for the success of the multipart episode. Look at the old Warner Brothers cartoons. The segment had to end in five and a half minutes, so the writers and cartoonists got their point across quickly -- they almost didn't need editors. Now consider The Green Death. The sequence with that maggot creeping up on Jo was as evocative as a 19th century print. The princess and the monster. Could one get such gnomic images in a TV movie? --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Where is that Tardis? (1:129/260.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00012Date: 08/10/96 From: MATTHEW HAMBLEY Time: 12:26am \/To: JOSEPH HOGAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Jelly babies JH> I finally happened to walk by the marks and spencer store, and I JH> bought a little bag of Jellie Babies. I will wait for a good Dr Who JH> night, and I will try them then:) By which time they will be all hard and manky :-) (\/)atthew ...Rottingham: And why should the people of England listen to you? Robin Hood: Because, unlike some other Robin Hood's, I can speak with an English accent. - Robin Hood, Men in Tights --- ARCbbs RISC OS [1.6432c] * Origin: Arcade - The Archimedes BBS in London +44 181 655 4412 (2:254/27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00013Date: 08/10/96 From: MATTHEW HAMBLEY Time: 12:26am \/To: ANNA STEVEN (Read 4 times) Subj: Red Dwarf news... AS> Finally, another Dwarfer. Forgive me a stupid question. PC>> 1) How is Series VII coming along? AS> What's this? It is tradition to put series VII just after series VI :-) (\/)atthew ...Marketing definition of computer terms: High Accuracy - All the directories compare. --- ARCbbs RISC OS [1.6432c] * Origin: Arcade - The Archimedes BBS in London +44 181 655 4412 (2:254/27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00014Date: 08/09/96 From: STEVEN BAGLEY Time: 08:39am \/To: PETER GODDARD (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Missing episodes "Ambassador Goddard," asked Steven. "Do you really want to know what's going on down there right now?" "Yes, absolutely," replied Peter. Steven moved forward, and whispered something. PG> William Hartnell. PG> Episodes exsisting. PG> PG> Marco Polo: None PG> The Reign of Terror: 6 There is more than this available. PG> The Daleks' Masterplan: 5,10/ clip of the Spar taking off I think there are more clips as well.. PG> The War Machines: 2 I thought this was complete PG> The Power of the Daleks: None/ clip of Daleks leaving the capsule Didn't Paul say he'd got some footage from this a while back. And they've found a lot more according to DreamWatch last year. PG> The Faceless Ones: 1 And 3 got it on vid :) PG> The Evil of the Daleks: 2 PG> The Abominable Snowmen: 2 PG> The Ice Warriors: None (I know that there are some but I 1 4 5 6 Its good as well :) PG> Does anyone actually know where stories such as Tomb and Time PG> Meddler etc were actually found or if any of the episodes are PG> availible from anywhere? (Apart from BBC vids and satallite) Tomb Hong Kong TM Nigeria, I've got this, taped off BBC 2 from '92, its a bit grainy though... See you earlier, Steven InterNet: sbagley@cameo.co.uk FidoNET: 2:2501/101.12 ... NeST: 90:102/203 ..."These shoes, they fit perfectly" - The Doctor, The New Doctor Who Telemovie --- IOS-Mail 0.91pl8 eta * Origin: The Village (2:2501/101.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00015Date: 08/09/96 From: STEVEN BAGLEY Time: 08:44am \/To: CHRISTOPHER J_WOOD (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: RE-EDITEDATION ZONE "Ambassador J_wood," asked Steven. "Do you really want to know what's going on down there right now?" "Yes, absolutely," replied Christopher. Steven moved forward, and whispered something. LT>> I don't like the idea of it. Adding modern effects onto an old LT>> film won't work - the two will be obvioiusly different and the join LT>> will show. Leave it as it is. Thats not true theses days, compositing is a fine art, bad stuff is noticeably good stuff isn't as look as the film is tweaked too match the new footage it should be possible. CJw> I'd approve the idea if no-more new Doctor Who stories are being CJw> made. Zygons is pretty much your quinessential monster who, spoilt CJw> only by that duffer of a nessie at the end! :{} :) See you earlier, Steven InterNet: sbagley@cameo.co.uk FidoNET: 2:2501/101.12 ... NeST: 90:102/203 ..."These shoes, they fit perfectly" - The Doctor, The New Doctor Who Telemovie --- IOS-Mail 0.91pl8 eta * Origin: The Village (2:2501/101.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00016Date: 08/07/96 From: CHRISTOPHER J_WOOD Time: 09:22pm \/To: MARK STEVENS (Read 3 times) Subj: Who Movie Mark, MS> Cw> Sure was, watched it again the other day and switched off shortly MS> Cw> after the Doc finds out his identity, just got boring. MS>I watched it once, on video, and thought, "Well, it's not too bad I suppose. MS>I watched it a second time, on TV, and thought, "Well, actually it is a bit. MS>I haven't watched it since. After watching the likes of War without End & Severed Dreams on Babylon 5 the hamness of the Who movie seems a bit...crap! MS> PG>> Perhaps good Who will be made in a few years from now. MS> Cw> Ie: No BBC & FOX involvement?! :} MS>I reckon they should just let it be. It lasted 26 years, finished with MS>'Survival', had a brave attempt at a remake in 1996 and that was it. Rest MS>in peace, Doctor. Let's start making some new, original shows instead of MS>trying to rekindle dying flames. Thats true...shame, nothing wrong with the program, but a lot wrong with the people who make it unfortuantly... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christopher J_Wood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Netmail 2:254/233 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ darkstalker@ndirect.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Minbari Fighting Rod? Or are you just pleased to see me? --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ooh! BBS, London [MULTILINES] 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00017Date: 08/07/96 From: CHRISTOPHER J_WOOD Time: 09:30pm \/To: MARK STEVENS (Read 3 times) Subj: Dramatic Delay Delimiter Mark, MS> Cw> Pathetic really - the gold dust is supposed to clog their chest nits, MS> Cw> yet the later cybermen don't have open vents, so how can lady MS> Cw> Pain-in-the-arsefort scare them with gold arrows in silver nemesis?! MS>All that 'allergic to gold' bollocks is just silly. Have we ever had a MS>decent explanation as to *why* the Cybermen are allergic to gold? You'd MS>think that with their technology they'd have been able to find a way round MS>it. The old achilles heel - with Daleks it's (was) stairs. How will JMS handle the potential heel of the Shadows in Babylon5 in regard to the Psi-Corps and Telepaths? MS>But nah, it stayed in because it was the only lame excuse the writers ould MS>think of for getting rid of the Cybermen by the end of the story. I mean, MS>Ace's catapult and coins, for goodness' sake! That was just as joke...poor old Cybermen, turned from fearsome warriors into silly literal tin-men at the fayre. MS>Which brings me to another point -- the Dramatic Delay Delimiter, a piece MS>of hardware which seems to be the norm for all artificial/robotic species MS>appearing in Doctor Who. For example, a few characters will find hemselves MS>surrounded by three Cybermen. Cyberleader wanders into the scene and MS>bellows, "Erradicate them!" This is where the Dramatic Delay Delimiter MS>kicks in. Unlike most 'real life' computerised systems, where it would ake MS>mere milliseconds to execute a command, these Cybermen (or Daleks, etc.) MS>will pause for anywhere upwards of five seconds before the Doctor runs nto MS>the scene, wailing, "Stop!" (or some other deus ex machina prevents the MS>inevitable from occurring). Snigger - yeah that is annoying best examples are Earthshock - Cyberman wanders around trying to get into the TARDIS, failing to shoot his weapon at Nyssa and Tegan despite ample opportunity (perhaps he was saving the shots for Adric). And Rememberance of the Daleks - that classic scene where Ace is corned by three Daleks in the school.... Dalek 1: Exterminate! Dalek 2: Exterminate! Dalek 3: Exterminate! Dalek 2: Exterminate! Dalek 1: Exterminate! Dalek 3: Exterminate! (5 hours later) Dalek 1: Exterminate! Dalek 1: Exter...psst! oi Sylvester! Doc : Oh....Acccceeeee!! (fires that wibbly wobbly anti-dalek spirodon device thingy) Daleks: Aiggghhhheeeeee. Laughable stuff! Although overlooked because it was a firely competant script and had loads of action. Ever noticed how awful the Daleks are at fireing? Just take Revelation, the two Dalek factions are shooting at each other from point blank range and *still* missing! Same with Rememberance, the shoot everywhere *but* on target! But we still love the Daleks bless 'em! :}} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christopher J_Wood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Netmail 2:254/233 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ darkstalker@ndirect.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- * OLX 2.1 TD * ...maybe, your 'gonna be the one that slays me... --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ooh! BBS, London [MULTILINES] 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DCG00018Date: 08/11/96 From: ELIZABETH PENROSE Time: 01:28pm \/To: MARK STEVENS (Read 3 times) Subj: Cliffhangers Suspence isn't the only reason for the success of the multipart episode. Look at the old Warner Brothers cartoons. The segment had to end in five and a half minutes, so the writers and cartoonists got their point across quickly -- they almost didn't need editors. Now consider The Green Death. The sequence with that maggot creeping up on Jo was as evocative as a 19th century print. The princess and the monster. Could one get such gnomic images in a TV movie? --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Where is that Tardis? (1:129/260.0)