--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC200010Date: 08/01/96 From: MICHAEL LAVALLEE Time: 01:13pm \/To: AUDREY SEDDON (Read 5 times) Subj: Guns Hello Audrey, -=> Quoting Michael Lavallee to Audrey Seddon <=- ML> The Doctor soon "realised" that he had to start taking the initative ML> more, instead of just dropping in on situations, and so he murdered ML> himself and became Time's Champion. AS> I'm not exactly sure how that happens. In Time And the Rani, the AS> TARDIS is caught in some sort of space storm, and the Doctor's already AS> unstable form gets such a shock that he regenerates. At least, that's AS> thw way I always saw it. Is there another behind-the-scenes explanation AS> for the sudden change? The disturbance the TARDIS was caught in was caused by the Rani. The Doctor was perfectly stable before that - he was cut off in his prime. The Doctor banged his head against the console, and was knocked out. That normally wouldn't have caused a regeneration crisis, but while the Doctor was on Earth for the Millenium in 1999 (in England, not in San Fransisco) he encountered a Great Old One and various events triggered the Valeyard within him. The Valeyard is a possible personae of the Doctor's, an amalgamation of all that's evil within him. All of the Doctor's future personae's exist within him inalmost "embryo" states. The Valeyard manipulated the Doctor, gave him ideas about being Time's Champion and playing games with people's lives and the like. The Doctor thought it was rediculous, but his seventh personae thought otherwise, and essentially took over at the first opportunity. The Doctor's seventh incarnation, brought about because of the Valeyard's manipulations, takes the Doctor one step closer to becoming the Valeyard. Scary thought, yes? ML> The Doctor started playing games. AS> And leaving little notes for his previous self to help himself solve AS> problems. In the novel _No Future_, the Monk accuses him of breaking AS> the First Law of Time by doing so. Yes, but I believe he stopped that after said encountered. Near the end of his seventh incarnation, the Doctor got better. ML> like the Doctor I've grown fond of, during the end of his seventh ML> incarnation. I think it's safe to say that Time's Champion is dead ML> and buried, although his legacy may long survive him. AS> At least he has finally made his peace with Ace, after hurting her so AS> much. I agree. It's good that everything regarding her was cleared up. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Gallifrey Command BBS * North Bay, Ontario, Canada (1:225/366) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300000Date: 07/26/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 01:51pm \/To: GAIL PAMPHILON (Read 5 times) Subj: The Eye of Harmony G'day Gail! "The Eye of Harmony", Gail Pamphilon bellowed to Steve Williams... GP> No, though it wouldn't surprise me. But how many "incarnations" of the GP> Master have we seen since the series began? I can't remember, but it GP> isn't many. Only three separate and indentifiable incarnations, although five actors have had the role. Unless there was something mentioned during Pertwee's reign as the Doctor, I can't recall anything that states the Master as seen in The Deadly Assassin and The Keeper Of Traken couldn't be Delgado's incarnation, although I'd think it unlikely... Basically, ye might say that the Master was cheated out of his lives by the scriptwriters, in exchange for a plot device... :) have fun "I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing." - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Chap with the wings there - Five rounds rapid! (3:800/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300001Date: 07/27/96 From: GLENN THOMPSON Time: 12:56pm \/To: TREVOR WALLACE (Read 5 times) Subj: eighth impressions -=>On the 16 Jul 96 11:13:12 Trevor Wallace said to Glenn Thompson<=- TW> G'day Glenn! How you doin' Trevor ! GT>> where was the drama !?! TW>> around, somewhere.... :) GT> Yes perhaps over there on the other channel :-) TW> tch. Being a little harsh, don't ye think? Hmmm....not really. GT>> why didn't they employ a writer! TW>> I'd really appreciate seeing any submissions ye make to the TW>> producers, assuming of course, that ye believe ye can do better... GT> Hay now that's no tone to take..... TW> Sorry, `tis my standard response to vague "anyone could do better" TW> style criticism... :) I'm sure ye'd find that writing a decent story TW> isn't as easy as ye'd like to think... I didn't say anyone, 'twas not what I was meaning ! :-)) GT>> A Star Trek writer could've done better ! TW>> yew! and I _like_ star trek.... GT> I didn't refer that I didn't like Star Trek either... ! TW> quite the opposite, in fact; I assume ye're quite taken with it. :) Quite ! :) GT> I'm sayin' that a Trek writer, even without having watched Who b4 GT> could've done better. Especially with the continuity involving the GT> Eye of Harmony. TW> Trek has its own problems, or perhaps that's "style", with its TW> scripts, which wouldn't be well foisted upon an unsuspecting Doctor. TW> As to Eye, or rather eyes human or otherwise, from my recollection TW> `tis less a discontinuity than a departure from the expected norm. How so ? I saw it as similar to saying that the Enterprise is suddenly powered by a steam engine in the nineth galaxy ! :-)))) GT>> I would rather have seen the tardis with more human dimensions. TW>> "human dimensions"? GT> knew you'd pick on that word. TW> `twas hard not to - what are "human dimensions"? Between five n' six TW> feet in height, a couple feet wide and about so deep? `twould be a TW> little cramped... :) Giggle giggle snigger snigger :-) GT> Well he generally displays a human scale of proportions. Except his GT> knowledge of course. TW> As far as I can recall, the TARDIS has never shown any respect TW> whatsoever for _any_ proportions, dimensions or other forms of TW> measurement. :) Except in it's displayed size of course. :) To me it was just an unneccesary display of this is an American movie it has to be bigger more dazzling ! Which in doing so, I thought this movie had more in common with American SF movies from the fifties, rather then "Dr Who" y'know ? GT> I have always liked the idea of the tardis looking like a home, GT> because it is essentially. Some of the earlier Doctors had a homely GT> atmosphere within the Tardis. TW> None quite as homely as this, I'd think. Companions in the eighties had their own rooms, and the costumne room as around. GT> I think Hartnells Doc had a food machine just outside the console GT> room ! TW> I believe so, but I can't recall actually seeing it. I did have a list TW> of rooms seen within the TARDIS, and the eps in which they've TW> appeared, but I seemed to have misplaced it for the time being... I have a picture of the control room during Hartnells era, which shows quite a few details eg; chairs, statue, even another room or cubicle lit from within. That might be equipment of some kind, also not a personal effect but some kind of huge sun lamp ??? type thing hanging down diagonally from the ceiling. The auxcillary control room shown during T.Baker's first season seemed quite homely from memory ??? TW>> Considering some of the output during Who's last years at the TW>> BBC, `twould have to be pretty bad to go that far... Didn't think they needed to really ! GT> You don't think Mcoy's episodes were much chop ? TW> In a lot of respects, they were awful, IMHO, BOC. No one particular TW> department was consistently terrible, just a general decline in the TW> overall quality of the show that should, IMNSHO, lie squarely on the TW> shoulders of the producer, the bloke in charge. TW> have fun What even his last season ? ttfn, Glenn. ... DalekDos: (S)eek (L)ocate (E)xterminate --- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Ground Zero BBS - 61 8 325 1822 - V.32bis (3:800/409) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300002Date: 07/29/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 06:16pm \/To: GLENN THOMPSON (Read 5 times) Subj: eighth impressions G'day Glenn! GT> How you doin' Trevor ! "mostly harmless"... :) GT>>> where was the drama !?! TW>> tch. Being a little harsh, don't ye think? GT> Hmmm....not really. Considering the amount of pure dross that issues forth from most television stations, programmes of a rather annoying, yet most likely quite fashionable similarity, programmes lacking any sense of adventure, et cetera, et cetera. The New Who may or may not shine when compared with the best science fiction on telly today; it may or may not come off second best when measured against vintage Who, but all things considered, I'd prefer the New Who to nearly everything on the idiot box these days. Dramas are rarely exciting. Adventures are rarely intriguing. Comedies are usually neither. The New Who, vintage Who and indeed most science fiction, attempt to straddle all these genres, and more, on a budget and a deadline. IMHO, the New Who is, by far, better than no Who at all. GT>> Hay now that's no tone to take..... TW>> Sorry, `tis my standard response to vague "anyone could do TW>> better" style criticism... :) GT> I didn't say anyone, 'twas not what I was meaning ! :-)) oh? When someone says "why didn't they employ a writer", I generally assume that person knows a little something about writing that the rest of us might not. TW>> As to Eye, or rather eyes human or otherwise, from my recollection TW>> `tis less a discontinuity than a departure from the expected norm. GT> How so ? I saw it as similar to saying that the Enterprise is GT> suddenly powered by a steam engine in the nineth galaxy ! :-)))) Not quite. Whereas Trek has a reasonably well defined universe with which to play, with the technology, etc that go along with that; Who, OTOH, tended to be rather less forthcoming as to the origins of a lot of the characters involved. As far as I can recall, the revelations the New Who granted us didn't actually break all that much of the history of the show, just bent it rather rudely in places... I can live with it, so long as they follow it all up. TW>> As far as I can recall, the TARDIS has never shown any respect TW>> whatsoever for _any_ proportions, dimensions or other forms of TW>> measurement. :) GT> Except in it's displayed size of course. :) I'm almost sure that even that has changed a little over the years. Granted, the console room has probably never been as large as this before, but that's no reason for it not to be so now... GT> To me it was just an unneccesary display of this is an American movie GT> it has to be bigger more dazzling ! Actually, ye're dead right on this. For the amount of screen time the console room received, `twas indeed overdone. They could well've gotten away with making the set so much smaller, or even completely doing away with the TARDIS interior. GT> Which in doing so, I thought this movie had more in common with GT> American SF movies from the fifties, rather then "Dr Who" y'know ? Nothing wrong with 50's SF... :) GT> Companions in the eighties had their own rooms, and the costumne room GT> was around. Indeed, and no doubt they're still around the place somewhere. GT> The auxcillary control room shown during T.Baker's first season GT> seemed quite homely from memory ??? Third season, I think. In fact, I can't recall seeing the console room during Baker's first couple of seasons, but I'm probably rusty... GT> I have a picture of the control room during Hartnells era, which GT> shows quite a few details eg; chairs, statue, even another room or GT> cubicle lit from within. Showing rather more personality than simply a hatstand and the console which has been more or less the morn since Pertwee's era. [the McCoy era] TW>> In a lot of respects, they were awful, IMHO, BOC. No one particular TW>> department was consistently terrible, just a general decline in the TW>> overall quality of the show GT> What even his last season ? While I've not seen all of McCoy's stories, I think I've seen more than enough to form a solid opinion of the overall quality of the last few seasons. I've seen cartoons with more atmosphere than the McCoy era Who... have fun "I wish this was in some book I read you know I really truly do it would have made great fiction but it's unfortunately true" - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Chap with the wings there - Five rounds rapid! (3:800/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300003Date: 07/30/96 From: CLAUDE JOHN HUGWELL Time: 08:28am \/To: TREVOR WALLACE (Read 5 times) Subj: The Eye of Harmony I know I'm am jumping in halfway of a conversation....(Lost a whole lot of mail recently).... but from what I understand, the Time Lords received the Ability to re-generate from exposure to the Eye of harmony...Does that also follow that Tegan and Adric (not exactly sure which companions) in the Movie The-5-Doctors have therefore been given that ability??? Meow....^--^....woeM Tzenpruamen of Shadrax's Playpen (Hairnet 74:2000/106, Fido 3:711/467.3, Masqnet 235:3201/502) ... "I'll make it so simple even a Vulcan can understand."  Quark --- * TLX v4.00 * --- FMail/386 0.98a * Origin: Shadrax's Playpen where the CAT runs the show .... (3:711/467.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300004Date: 07/31/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 02:31pm \/To: SIMON COOKE (Read 4 times) Subj: eighth impressions G'day Simon! [rating themes] TW>> My own personal favourite is the late Baker/Davison era arrangement, TW>> the McCoy version comes a solid last. 100% Blerksville. SC> I'd definitely agree with you on both of those counts. Somehow, I didn't think I'd be the only one... :) SC> You can't beat a good romp on a fairlight synth when it comes to good SC> music for sci-fi shows... Fairlight'd be looking a bit dated these days, I'd think, compared with the latest breed of synths; then again, the latest breed of synths all sound very much the same, so it'd probably be "different" to go back to the fairlight... Quite off topic for this echo though... :) SC> (I miss the original theme music to Red Dwarf too... really added SC> atmosphere to it all.. especially when the fairlight kicked in ;)) The original? Nah, didn't really fit with the overall attitude of the show. Anyone tuning in for the first time would think themselves about to be treated to a serious sci-fi show... :) The season 3+ theme has more grunge to it. Ye can sit there and headbang until the episode starts... :) SC> If I were to do a new Dr.Who series, I'd keep the music from the SC> Davison era, and also have the opening titles in a very similar (but SC> revamped) style. A new arrangement and opening _was_ called for, IMHO, and they did reasonably well, I guess. The logo looked very familiar though; was it used for early Pertwee shows, d'ye know? SC> One thing I did hate about the Dr.Who movie was the sfx... Overall, I thought them quite well done. The snake, despite any plotwise deficiencies, was superb, thought I. SC> the vortex? You *shouldn't* be able to see stars through it. Why not? Stars hang around for quite a long time, why shouldn't they make an impact on the time vortex? I can't recall any specific instances of the vortex being shown in Vintage Who, although I have a dim memory of the early Baker intro FX being used to represent some form of travel. Perhaps in Masque Of Mandragora? SC> I hate seeing shoddy work. That can have its own appeal... :) have fun "You know, just once I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Bow down before me, Planets! Bow down, O Stars!! (3:800/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300005Date: 07/31/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 03:05pm \/To: SIMON COOKE (Read 4 times) Subj: eighth impressions G'day Simon! "eighth impressions", Simon Cooke bellowed to Demian Katz... SC> I'm phoning the BBC on monday to try and sort out a possible SC> script/talk to a producer or something. Ye shall, of course, report ye success, or lack thereof, in this very echo, no? :) have fun "When everything is new, can anything be a surprise?" - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: By the Great Parrot Of Hades - you'll pay for this!! (3:800/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300006Date: 07/31/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 03:11pm \/To: MAUREEN GOLDMAN (Read 4 times) Subj: eighth impressions G'day Maureen! MG> Not only that, but apparently any mortal would do - or any eye. MG> I don't know why the Master bothered. A certain plot weakness perhaps.. MG> I'm also not sure about his comment to the transformed Grace "you MG> know what this is for". Why should she? I just assumed he was being a smartarse, and that she was actually under his direct mental control... TW>> I am this echo's wee mushroom - I'm kept in the dark and fed TW>> bullshit... :) MG> Well, at least you're poetic about it. I do try... :) have fun "Belts and buckles and zips and chains My sign my style my dress" - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CVE Rentals - Competitive Daily Rates! (3:800/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300007Date: 07/31/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 03:13pm \/To: JAMIE HOWSE (Read 4 times) Subj: Dream Warriors G'day Jamie! "Dream Warriors", Jamie Howse bellowed to Laurence Taylor... JH> I haven't heard of a story called Dream Warriors, you're going senile. That's what I thought; then again, it might be the rest o' us... :) have fun "Every great decision creates ripples" - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Madly gleaming "The Universe shall be MINE!!" (3:800/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 270 DR WHO/BRIT SCIF Ref: DC300008Date: 07/31/96 From: TREVOR WALLACE Time: 03:14pm \/To: ARTIMUS BROWN,JR. (Read 4 times) Subj: discontinuity G'day Artimus! >> SQ> In any event, remember that the Doctor was rather fond of >> SQ> Bessie, so perhaps at some point he went back to Gallifrey to >> SQ> pick her up? :) >> but how would he get her to fit through the doors of the TARDIS? :) ABj> From the looks of it, `tis plenty of room. Once inside, yeah. But through the physical outer shell of the TARDIS? Can ye see Bessie fitting through the doors of the phone box? :) have fun "Stand up and fight sometimes We get the fright sometimes How will we ever pay the price this time" - swaz --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: By the Great Parrot Of Hades - you'll pay for this!! (3:800/447)