--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00016 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 06:41pm \/To: BOB ANDERSON (Read 4 times) Subj: 'puter-tech curriculm 1/ Quotes are taken from a message written by Bob to Charles on 07/31/96... BA>CB->Cut-and-paste and integrating data from the database into a word BA>CB->processing document seems like a good start for the younger students. BA> BA>Including the results of either into the word processor seems BA>indicated to me. But perhaps they ought to be exposed to the data BA>base first. Can you tell me more about how you do it there? Actually, I didn't make the comments above and can't remember who did, but I'll respond nonetheless. We've had computer labs and have taught computer literacy to fifth and sixth graders in our school since 1984. At first we used CoCo's (Radio Shack Color Computers, quite popular in the mid-1980's and similar to the Commodores) and software for kids was at a premium. We used a simple ROM-Pak word processor, played some games, taught some LOGO and BASIC programming and introduced the kids to some educational software (they got 10 weeks of computer in fifth and sixth grades). WE didn't have any database software or spreadsheet software, so were quite limited in what we could do. We are now just building our PC lab - the first opened last year and the second will open this year - last year's lab has 30 '486, 2DX machines and our new lab will have 30 Pentium - 100 machines. We are slowly rebuilding our curriculum for our sixth graders (fifth grades were just moved out of the school) and we are building the new curriculum slowly. We ( I am not teaching in the lab this year, but will work half-time on special assignment with the lab teacher and classroom teachers) will focus on word processing and typing, the database (though I DID liKe some of the things others have offered on the idea of using the spreadsheet), and CAI (we've also purchased the CCC middle school package that has 6 gigs of educational software). We'll spend a week or so at the beginning introducing the kids to the front end for our network (School View) and Windows (we're using 3.11). We'll see how all of this falls into place. If I were teaching, I would try to make things as project oriented as possible - perhaps publish a school newspaper, do a poll on the Presidential election (school cafeteria food is another popular option), etc. I wish I could be in the lab, but they needed someone to pick up two extra math classes and I was given the assignment. I'd like to hear more about your experiences as things progress - will your students all get a period a day for the whole year? Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* An atheist is one who has no invisible means of support. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00017 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 06:45pm \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Class Size Over-Rate Quotes are taken from a message written by Regina to Charles on 08/02/96... RF>Well over here in Michigan they need certs for all kinds of things and RF>the district that gets the most members to get certs get rewards. RF>Unfortunately I don't think they take what they learn seriously. It's still a political position and a certain amount of posturing must take place . RF>Oh I understand that. I know it takes alot of investment to become a RF>teacher. My sister has a degree, but did not start teaching because at RF>the time there was an abundant amount of teachers and she just got RF>married and they needed the money. That was a common problem here for a while too - over abundance of teachers. AS the baby-boomers are beginning to hit their 50's, more and more people are beginning to retire and I expect a LOT of jobs to open up in the next 5 to 10 years. RF>Well I was wrong the bond did pass and they are going to make the ecessary RF>improvements. But these improvements will take up to 3 years. Despite the delay, it is nice that the improvements will get done. Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* A fool and his money are my best friends. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00018 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 06:47pm \/To: DAL JENCSO (Read 4 times) Subj: Education - 1/2 Quotes are taken from a message written by Dal to Charles on 08/04/96... DJ>Perhaps by enabling kids to gain real skills we affect their DJ>"self esteem" in a real manner. This may result in global DJ>changes in their behavior. Seems to me this is better than DJ>failing grades and false praise. The gains need to be real. Amen! DJ>At one time I had info on the STAR project that I pulled off of DJ>ERIC. It is not on my HD now, but if I can find it while DJ>preparing for school I will post it. Great. Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* C:\> - The REAL computer user's ONLY icon. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00019 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 06:51pm \/To: RON MCDERMOTT (Read 4 times) Subj: Education - 1/2 Quotes are taken from a message written by Ron to Charles on 08/04/96... RM>Perhaps... You see this as, perhaps, a disuse problem? In RM>other words, over time their environment leads them to not RM>use or forget what they picked up in terms of skills or RM>study tactics, or whatever? Or perhaps this is more of an RM>emotional or attitudinal boost which wears off? I was at Media Play the other night (do you have those in Newburgh?) and picked up a book on Head Start. It is decidedly in favor of the program, but will post any relevant information as I continue to read. Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* Civilization is fun! Anyway, it keeps me busy!!! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00020 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 07:00pm \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: School Boards Quotes are taken from a message written by Matt to Charles on 08/04/96... Not sure why I am responding to you, but this message seemed sort of rational... ;-) MS>I read the article in NEA Today about whether school MS>boards should no longer be elected, and it made most of MS>the arguments you do. Although I posted my list of complaints, I am NOT in favor of eliminating school boards. We have a hard enough time keeping the community involved in the schools without getting rid of that contact. I DO wish, however, that there were requirements in place that board members have an education (at least an Associate's degree) and take training before taking their seats. MS>But what it and you miss is that MS>citizens who no longer feel they have any control over the MS>schools will not support them in tax referendums. We have a representational system - we elect representatives to run our governments. Why do we have referendums on school budgets? We don't vote on the federal budget, the state budget or even the local (county, city, town, etc.) budgets. Schools often have to suffer the frustration people feel over OTHER budgets over which they have no direct control. Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* Accept me for what I am - completely unacceptable. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00021 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 07:15pm \/To: PAUL SAYAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Single Sex Classes Quotes are taken from a message written by Paul to Charles on 07/30/96... PS>CB>I think the "big-deal" is that both of the schools are public PS>CB>institutions. I do believe that same-sex schools are legal if they are PS>CB>private, but not if they receive public funding. PS> PS> If such schools were opened could it be possible that they would PS>be considered legal? Could a female be attracted to the curriculum PS>offered at that school and wish to enroll, like our military school? I think they would be considered legal as long as public financing were kept to a minimum - after all, we do have single-sex colleges, single-sex clubs (Rotary was men only, I believe, until just recently) and even single-sex bars (ladies-only nights, etc.) What makes the difference is public funding. As for whether or not women would be attracted to single-sex schools, my guess would be that there's a limited market, but there'd be enough for a few such schools to operate. Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* Are the noises in my head bothering you? --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00022 Date: 08/06/96 From: CHARLES BEAMS Time: 07:18pm \/To: LEONA PAYNE (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Single Sex Classes Quotes are taken from a message written by Leona to Charles on 08/01/96... LP>I, too, felt mostly neutral about both of the gender based articles I LP>posted, until I started getting arguments from people trying to pick LP>them apart. I then went back & reread them to find myself agreeing that LP>females ARE put under pressure to behave a certain way. LP> LP>Look at this echo, for instance. That comment intrigues me no end. What am I supposed to be looking at in this echo? But...I DO agree that females have a role to play - as do males. Well, some males. Not us macho types, of course. ;-) Chuck Chuck Beams Fidonet - 1:2608/70 cbeams@future.dreamscape.com ___ * UniQWK #5290* I appoint you ambassador to Fantasy Island!!! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Hidey-Hole BBS, Pennellville, NY (315)668-8929 (1:2608/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00023 Date: 08/08/96 From: VIRGINIA BLALOCK Time: 03:31pm \/To: PAUL SAYAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Discipline Paul Sayan was proclaiming to Virginia Blalock about Discipline on 07-30-96 10:52: VB> I went to two colleges, and there were attendance records taken in VB> most of the classes I went to. But unlike high school, if a kid is VB> not there enough, he simply gets an F or INCOMPLETE and the prof goes VB> on. PS> The university I went to lost about a third of its student PS> population in the first year. I have no idea what that stat is, now. What year were most of the kids? I know that freshman year is usually difficult for many, and perhaps that might be part of it. ... Error #0001: COSMOS.CFG Corrupt. Reboot Universe (Y/N): <--virginia.blalock@psl-online.com--> http://www.psl-online.com/member/vblal/home.htm Member of Families Against Internet Censorship: www.rmii.com/~fagin/faic, email faic@rmii.com ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: InfoQuest BBS Spring Texas 713-320-9163 (1:106/628.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00024 Date: 08/07/96 From: DAL JENCSO Time: 11:03pm \/To: MICHAEL MARTINEZ (Read 4 times) Subj: Ivan Illich MM> The push to have women and men working the same jobs in MM> today's world, actually is counter-productive to its MM> advertised effect. Instead of making women and men equal, MM> it's destroyed the gender-specific role of both, and opened MM> up a new area for industrial-type sexism. "while the MM> majority of women today work outside the home, their MM> take-home pay is roughly 60 percent of what men earn -- MM> exactly the same percentage as it was a hundred years ago, MM> when only 5 percent of women were so employed." This is just not so. It's a theory that sounds good, but the facts do not back it up. U.S. Department of labor figures on pay rates show a SLIGHT discrepancy today between the average earnings of men versus women. If you look at the FOOTNOTES you quickly see that men work (on the average) of 10 hours MORE per week than the women, and have been on the job (an average) of five years longer! Women earn 92 cents to the male dollar. But HE has to be on the job 5 years longer and work 10 hours a week MORE to get that 8 cents an hour! I believe that in high tech jobs, women are now doing better than men as new hires. In our district's ed. system the pay is equal. * RM 1.31 3319 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GF * Origin: Hafa Adai Exchange Lexington Park MD 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: DCD00025 Date: 08/07/96 From: DAL JENCSO Time: 11:03pm \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 4 times) Subj: male and female MS> property of their husbands. Their is a state appeals court d MS> this state from that era that allowed a husband to legally be MS> with any stick small enough to put through her wedding ring ( MS> were common in other states). Would you please provide me with a reference or cite for this. Thanks. * RM 1.31 3319 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GF * Origin: Hafa Adai Exchange Lexington Park MD 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10)