--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5P00058 Date: 05/12/96 From: SHEILA KING Time: 01:05pm \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: Printing on Demand From the April 25, 1996 edition of EduPage: -> ADOBE, APPLE AND SCITEX TARGET ON-DEMAND PRINTING -> Adobe Systems is collaborating with Apple Computer and Israeli firm -> Scitex to jointly market hardware and software for on-demand -> printing. On-demand printing enables businesses to print small runs -> of documents or brochures at more reasonable per-piece cost than if -> they used a traditional printing company. (Wall Street Journal 24 -> Apr 96 B11) --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/M 10 * Origin: Castle of the Four Winds...subjective reality? (1:218/804) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5P00059 Date: 05/12/96 From: RON MCDERMOTT Time: 02:01pm \/To: DONNA RANSDELL (Read 3 times) Subj: I'M BAACK! DR>It's been a looooooooong time since I've been on this echo (a bit more DR>than three years, I think) but I've been lurking for a few days. Welcome back! DR>In the meantime, I'm going to jump into some of your conversations, but DR>wanted to let you all know who this new stranger in your midst is. Jump away.... ;-) ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Don't be held back by yesterday's DOS! Try today's OS/2! --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4P1 * Origin: The Dolphin BBS (914) 635-3303 (1:2624/302) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5P00060 Date: 05/12/96 From: RON MCDERMOTT Time: 02:01pm \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 3 times) Subj: SOCIAL PROMOTION SK> Have you heard about the practice of "red shirting" (I believe it SK> is called that?)? PS> This is unfortunate. I couldn't urge parents enough to forgot it. MS> Agreed. MS>But "red shirting" in sports raises an interesting parallel with MS>retention of kids who don't learn academic material. Nobody is overly MS>concerned about ruining the self-esteem of those who don't make the MS>(sports) teams, are cut from the (sports) teams, or who are MS>benchwarmers...nor is anyone worried that the experience of being kept MS>back in sports will permanently color their view of sports and keep them MS>from thinking of trying again next year. While I agree in principle, there IS one distinct difference in that sports participation is voluntary (and please don't let's change this to gym class), whereas academics are not. Don't misunderstand, I find nothing wrong with the concept of the best rising to the top in ANY endeavor, but I also appreciate the legitimate concerns for kids who have never really had ANY success, praise, etc... Surely you would have appreciated a pat on the back once in awhile in gym, no? ___ * MR/2 2.26 * OS/2 WARP in '96! --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4P1 * Origin: The Dolphin BBS (914) 635-3303 (1:2624/302) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00000 Date: 05/18/96 From: JAMES DI PAULO Time: 10:39am \/To: ALL PARENTS.. (Read 3 times) Subj: Exam ======================================================================== Copied from INTRACTABLE_PAIN by Bob Moylan (1:275/429.5) ======================================================================== I stole this from an echo on another net... "I trust everyone will take the following as it is intended, it's pure humor! "Some students don't seem to know their Scriptures very well, judging by the following answers to test questions. But it sure is a lot more colorful this way: o Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. o Noah's wife was called Joan of Ark. o Lot's wife was a pillar of salt by day and a ball of fire by night. o The Jews had trouble throughout their history with the unsympathetic Genitals. o Samson slayed the Philistines with the axe of the apostles. o Unleaved bread is bread made without ingredients. o Moses went to the top of Mt. Cyanide to get the 10 Commandments. o The seventh commandment is: Thou shalt not admit adultery. o Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of Geritol. o David fought with the Finkelsteins, a race of people who lived in biblical times. o Solomon had 300 wives and 700 porcupines. o Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption. o The people who followed Jesus were called the 12 decibels. o The epistles were the wives of the apostles. o One of the opossums was St. Matthew. o Salome danced in 7 veils in front of King Harrod's. o Paul preached holy acrimony, which is another name for marriage. o A Christian should have only one wife. That is called monotony." -+- DB 1.58/003790 + Origin: The Rain Forest * Denver,CO * (1:104/901) --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00001 Date: 05/15/96 From: JOHN FELTHAM Time: 01:18pm \/To: SHEILA KING (Read 3 times) Subj: U.S. Tech Curriculum G'day Sheila, Sunday May 12 1996 10:28, Sheila King wrote to John Feltham: > On May 4, 1996 I wrote to you: ->> I've never heard of such a course in the California schools nearby. ->> Perhaps to our own detriment. Any consideration or discussion of ->> ethical implications would be brought up at the teacher's (or ->> participating students?) discretion and is probably not part of the ->> mandated syllabus. And then again... > Just this past week I received a copy of the curriculum topics covered > in the A.P. Computer Science curriculum, and among many others, these > are included: > F. Responsible Use of Computer Systems > 1. Privacy > 2. Reliability of systems > 3. Legal issues and intellectual property > 4. Social ramifications of computer applications Thanks for that. At the moment we are in the process og upgrading our PCM curriculum (Practical Computer Methods). PCM is a Yr 11 and 12 course of study which is lower that our IPT course. We have been invited to have our say in the dierctions that the course should go. It has been given an unfortunate name Practical Information Technology, so our stds will think that it is the PITs!! :-) Three strans will be on offer in the Draft program. A: Comunicating. B: Software Engineering. C: Computer Studies. Common core subjects are: Basic Operations Social and Ethical Implications Approaches to Problem Solving Word Processing Using and Designing Spread Sheets Using Simple db Workplace Health and Safety Organising an Enterprise Document Design Integrating Packages Group Integrated Project. The core subjects take up 110 hours of study of the two year period. ooroo --- GoldED 2.42.G0614+ * Origin: Coral Sea BBS K12-LibraryTownsvilleQueenslandOz. (3:640/706) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00002 Date: 05/20/96 From: MORT STERNHEIM Time: 08:50pm \/To: TOM COTTON (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Textbooks In a message of <19 May 96 00:00:02>, Tom Cotton (1:3819/128) writes: TC>MS>I don't know much about what publishers are doing about electronic TC> >replacements for books. They seem to be very tentative to TC> >this point, and unsure of what to charge for the products TC> >they do have. I have tried to price online encyclopedias TC> >for our UMassK12 internet service for teachers and TC> >students. They are either incapable of generating a price TC> >or else come up with something totally unaffordable. One TC> >wanted us to pay $20,000 for our 2,000 users. Needless TC> >to say, we could not do that. TC> TC>Did you require your text to be used by the students in your class ? No. I taught the course it is used for for quite a few years, but I have not taught it since the book came out. Furthermore, if I did assign the book, I would have to turn over the royalties on those copies to a scholarship fund. Since we never know who buys a new text, a used text, or no text, that would be an interesting exercise to carry out. My colleagues have elected to use the book most of the time since it first appeared quite a while back, but I stay completely out of all discussion of whether or not the book should be used. Since it is used at Harvard, Berkeley, and various other places, I don't think our students are short-changed if my colleagues do decide to use it. --- msged 1.97S ZTC * Origin: PIONEER VALLEY PCUG #1 Amherst, MA (413)256-1037 (1:321/109) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00003 Date: 05/20/96 From: SHEILA KING Time: 07:52pm \/To: CHARLES BEAMS (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: computers as texts CB> Quotes are taken from a message written by Sheila to Arthur on 05/04/96... CB> SK>-> I think many people thought the same thing about television, but t CB> SK>-> would be a rare home today that didn't have at least one colored V CB> SK>-> set, even among our poorest families. There are a large number of CB> SK>-> economically disadvantaged in this area that still have nexpensive CB> SK>-> 8088 or 286 computers and do a lot of BBSing and other things with CB> SK>-> them. To do what will be required in education may not require he CB> SK>-> latest and most expensive or computers. CB> SK> CB> SK>Point taken. However, as regards to even poor families having CB> SK>televisions, one must realize that it is an escape from their daily ...... CB> Rochester, NY, has a personality all of its own (I grew up there). It CB> has, for a long time, been very fortunate to have a *strong* industrial ...... CB> for its students and residents. Although I am sure there are some CB> pockets of poverty in Greece (it is a fairly large area), by and large CB> it is a wealthy community and they do many innovative things in their schoo CB> Chuck Beams Hi Chuck, I take it the point of your response is that Arthur Abel is not exactly correct in portraying his area has being very low income? Sheila * SLMR 2.1a * --- DB 1.39/004485 * Origin: The Diamond Bar BBS, San Dimas CA, 909-599-2088 (1:218/1001) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00004 Date: 05/20/96 From: SHEILA KING Time: 07:52pm \/To: PAUL SAYAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Textbooks PS> MS> Maybe this will change, but at the present time it simply is not pos PS> MS> find basic course materials on the internet in most fields. PS> MS> PS> MS> When/where did educators argue about pictures in texts???? They've PS> MS> for generations. Yes, there are more now, and they are in color, but PS> MS> been there for a very long time. PS> I seem to remember reading about it in my American Education History PS> course. The idea was a bit silly, so unfortunately I didn't spend a PS> lot of time concerned with the issue. It was not is this century, that PS> much I can tell you. Along the same lines, I heard in a workshop for educators, a quote about how some "new" object was going to lower the standards of education, etc... Turned out to be (if I recall correctly) Socrates lamenting the increasing use of books! Sheila * SLMR 2.1a * --- DB 1.39/004485 * Origin: The Diamond Bar BBS, San Dimas CA, 909-599-2088 (1:218/1001) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00005 Date: 05/20/96 From: VIRGINIA BLALOCK Time: 11:07am \/To: TOM COTTON (Read 3 times) Subj: National Curriculum Sheila King and Tom Cotton were jabbering about National Curriculum on 05-15-96 08:04: TC> In defense of Texas which I know little about educationally. They TC> probably have fallen victim to the teach to a test syndrome as their TC> livelihood depends on the performance of their students. Texas *has* fallen victim to teach to the test syndrome. ... All reality is aspect dependent. <--virginia.blalock@psl-online.com--> Member of Families Against Internet Censorship: www.rmii.com/~fagin/faic, email faic@rmii.com ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: InfoQuest BBS Spring Texas 713-320-9163 (1:106/628.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 265 EDUCATOR Ref: D5Q00006 Date: 05/19/96 From: PAUL SAYAN Time: 09:13am \/To: CHARLES BEAMS (Read 3 times) Subj: Textbooks CB> My point exactly. Paul has been predicting an end to the use of CB> textbooks, but I do not see computers and textbooks as mutually CB> exclusive. No reason why we can't continue using textbooks and star CB> using computers as a secondary resource. Just as television did not CB> bring an end to the use of the radio, I do not see computers killing CB> textbooks. Hi Chuck! I just wanted to interject that I don't predict an end to the use of textbooks, but I do see their role reduced. I think your comparison of televison to radio as is computers to textbooks is consistent with my vision. Keep your stick on the Ice, Paul --- TriDog 6.1 * Origin: Resurrection Bay BBS Seward, Alaska 907-224-8919 (1:3550/602)