--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2T00002Date: 02/23/98 From: HAROLD ROBBINS Time: 06:47am \/To: CHRISTOPHER COYNE (Read 0 times) Subj: Modernism > Was in a pentacostal spinoff for awhile. Lot's of candy, > little meat, if everybody understands me here. In other words, > lot's of hype little substance. Reminds me of a novelty song that was out in the 50's. "Heap big smoke, but no fire!". One has to get into the meat of the Word to grow as Christians. A religious group that focuses only on the fruits of the Spirit needs to mature and grow into the purpose of Christianity. Celebration of our God, service to the world, and growing Christian servants who try to live Christ. --- * Origin: Inspiration: Host of the Christian Fellowship Net (1:382/22.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2U00000Date: 02/24/98 From: ROBBY DITTMANN Time: 04:50pm \/To: HAROLD ROBBINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Modernism HR> Reminds me of a novelty song that was out in the 50's. HR> "Heap big smoke, but no fire!". One has to get into HR> the meat of the Word to grow as Christians. A HR> religious group that focuses only on the fruits of the HR> Spirit needs to mature and grow into the purpose of HR> Christianity. Celebration of our God, service to the HR> world, and growing Christian servants who try to live HR> Christ. I've always found it interesting that many pentecostal groups place so much emphasis on tongues as the ultimate fruit, when Paul makes it clear that tongues is one of the least gifts. It really demonstrates your point. Robby --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Red Shift BBS, Home of Mamoosoft! ... (770) 979-9467 (1:133/8003) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2U00001Date: 02/24/98 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 06:26am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Sorry...... I think in all the confusion I forgot to post this announcement and I don't think Anne or Michael posted anything, so here goes: If anyone missed me lately, I became quite ill, was hospitalized, and needed emergency surgery... I'm home now & working on getting well... I'm trying to get back up to speed, so please bear with me... [ Shoshona Bieman, 1:103/505 __ Co-Moderator: OPEN_BIBLE ] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar BBS __ 714-838-3837 __ MJCN West Coast Hub (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2U00002Date: 02/24/98 From: SHOSHONA BIEMAN Time: 06:42am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Moderator Reminder Just a reminder, folks... OPEN_BIBLE is for discussing the MESSAGE & TEACHING of the Scriptures... OPEN_BIBLE is *NOT* for discussing/debating the merits or shortcomings of the various Bible translations... OPEN_BIBLE is *NOT* for discussing/debating the merits or shortcomings of various churches. Some church groups have their own echos -- please take your discussion(s) there, or to an interfaith or theology echo... Thank you for understanding -- your co-operation is appreciated! [ Shoshona Bieman, 1:103/505 __ Co-Moderator: OPEN_BIBLE ] --- Aeolus v1.2.1 (#49820837) * Origin: Shofar BBS __ 714-838-3837 __ MJCN West Coast Hub (1:103/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2U00003Date: 02/24/98 From: RANDG WOOD Time: 09:24pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: FRESH MANNA, 2 Cor 5:17 || |||||||| || How beautiful on the mountains || are the feet of those ... who || proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns!" Pastor RALPH & GENE ANN WOOD --Isaiah 52:7 (NIV) E-mail: randg.wood@encode.com FRESH MANNA, 24/02/1998 ...................... 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ-- [a] new creation/creature! The old [things] have passed away: behold, they have become new! --2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 (RLW) This verse says that when a person becomes a Christian, there is a new creation, he or she has become a new creature! Yet just now someone has noted that some Christians don't seem just as new as one would expect from this verse. Their old ways still cling, and old habits die hard. We'll do or we'll say things our Lord would not have said or have done. If -we- are "in Christ", and unbelievers are "in the world", would we not expect to see the righteousness of Christ manifest in our lives, and the passions of the world manifest in their lives? And yet, many Scriptures exist to exhort Christians to be more "new" in their ways; while we know unsaved people who are good, generous, honest, and noble. When you become a Christian, your whole relationship with God becomes new. He adopts you as His own child [see JOHN 1:12-13]. You now live in such a close personal relationship with God, that Paul calls it being "in Christ". A fish lives in water; a child of God, in Christ! God forgives your sins, and imputes to you a perfect righteousness which only Jesus ever really lived up to. You become an heir to eternal life; part of the Church, the body of Christ. This is a great change, in your status! But it does take time, for your new standing with God to work itself out in the details of your life. Thus, the apostle Paul, after serving God faithfully and fruitfully for many years, still considered he had further to go, to get closer to God, to fulfill his high Christian calling [PHILIPPIANS 3:12-14]. Indeed, when he considered the struggle he continued to have against worldly temptation, Paul cried out in anguish [ROMANS 7:7-25]. One place we see an explanation for this, is 1 CORINTHIANS 13. There, we learn that, though our standing with God is quite new, we will not see perfection until Jesus returns. That is, over time we grow into the full reality of being "in Christ": our old things do pass away, do become new-- or give place to new things altogether; and we do grow into the new creation, new creatures we have become. The struggle involved keeps our pride humbled; increases our faith, our dependence on God. And, paradoxically, helps us make gains every morning. Praise God! --RLW --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0313 * Origin: Encode Online Orillia,Ont.705-327-7629 (1:229/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F3300000Date: 02/24/98 From: JOANNE JOHNSON Time: 09:37am \/To: SHANE FARRELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Modernism, etc. SF>Hi there :) Hi, SF> JJ> To Test The True Character Of Your Bible SF> JJ> You might ask the question: "How can I know if my Bible is a good SF> JJ> version or not?" There are many tests, but let me give you just one: SF> JJ> I Timothy 3:16. What does your Bible say? If your Bible says: "God SF> JJ> was manifest in the flesh," then probably you have a good Bible. If SF>I knew my Bible was the correct one :) it passed this and SF>the following test you put forward.. Christians should not accept a Bible that is corrupted. SF>It was given to me by a dear friend many years ago when I SF>was his pupil in Sunday School (He has long since joined SF>all this time. SF> JJ> I can type more, if anyone is interested. SF>I certainly would not mind at all...:) And thank you.. SF>Your Brother in Christ.. From Bible Version...To Test the True Character or Your Bible... Chapter VIII We have already stated that most modern versions of the Bible are based on the heretical Greek Text of Westcott and Hort. heretical because of the corruptions including over 5,788 changes, deletions, and additions. Many of these are of such nature to do severe harm to the New Testament's divinely inspired text. Godly men of past generations have given their life's blood to protect this Sacred Book from the mutilation that it has experienced through the labor of these two men. it is utterly unfathomable to know why we have been duped into acceptance of this preposterous mutilating of the text. of course, we hasten to say, many do not know just what has happened. There are also those who do not care, and there are those who blindly take the word of the professor in the classroom without research and review. End God bless. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X . --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Politically Incorrect! (1:106/1010) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F3300001Date: 02/24/98 From: JOANNE JOHNSON Time: 12:34pm \/To: CHARLIE RAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... CR>That is a definite possibility. I am using an old Windows version of the CR>OLR Blue Wave Rider, 1994, version 1.20. It has a built in version of CR>PKZIP that might be incompatible with the newer PKZIP packets. However, I CR>am using the same program on two other BBS's and I'm not having any rouble CR>at all with either of them. I'll download another version of PKZIP and ry CR>that. CR>Thanks! CR>Sincerely in Christ, CR>Charlie Ray, CR>Chaplain I was getting a lot of error messages when trying to unzip packets. My sysop helped in saying that I may not have enough hard drive space. I deleted a lot of stuff on my computer, and haven't had the problem since. joanne ___ X SLMR 2.1a X . --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Politically Incorrect! (1:106/1010) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F3300002Date: 02/25/98 From: JOANNE JOHNSON Time: 09:16am \/To: SHANE FARRELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Corrupted Bibles. From Bible Versions...To Test the True Character of Your Bible... by Eldred Thomas The Revised Version of 1881 was the first attempted English revision of the Bible since the Authorized or King James Version of 1611. The incorrectly called Revised Version of 1881 was based on Westcott and Hort's Greek Text basked on the corrupted manuscript, the "Vaticanus" or "B"> This Greek Text, like the "B" manuscript it was based on, had more than 7,000 changes. Unbfortunately, ALL MODERN VERSIONS are based on this Greek Text, as of December 1978. The Critical Bible is composed of these modern versions. Most Christians who accept the critical Bible do not know its origin or background. The Catholic Bible has been known at different periods as the "Vulgate," the "Douay-Rheims," and at the present the "New American Bible." In the foreword of the "NAB," a statement is made which could have very important connotations to "Evangelicals." The statement is: "In general, Nestle-Aland's New Testament Greek was followed." Both Nestle and Aland follow the corrupt Westcott and Hort Greek Text. In 1588, Sir francis Drake under Queen Elizabeth defeated the Spanish armada, supported by the Pope, which was an attempt to make England Catholica dn to force England to accept the Bible of the Jesuits, the Douay-Rheims. From time to time, the Douay-Rheims has been revised. With the advent of the Westcott and Hort Greek Text and the successding modern versions based on this text, the Catholics have recently released a Bible called the "New American Bible" which used as its text the Nestle-Aland, which is basically a Westcott and Hort Text. This should be of great interest to evangelicals. Now the Catholic Bible with the exception of the Apocrpha, is virtually the same as the Protestant Modern Version Bibles. This has happened in spite of the fact that evangelicals have historically refused to accedpt the Catholic bible. It should be noted also that there are those who would like a Bible that would be acceptable by all religions: Mohammedans, Catholics Protestants, and all the rest. I wonder what kind of Bible this would be? The Lord wants us to love one another and come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as our personal Savior. This can only be done if we adhere strictly to His Holy and Divine Word. The Evangelical Bible which was guarded over by the Holy Spirit and protected by the blood of the martyrs, has come down to the present day and was used by all the great men of faith that God chose to use, such as Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli, John Knox, Whitefield John Wesley, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Charles Finney, Dwight L. Moody, and Billy Sunday. This text was carried by missionaries from antioch into Southern France, then to Englland and Scotland, then to Northern europe and Northern Italy. The evangelical Text was first placed in print in 1516, providentially, just one year before the Reformation was ignited by Martin Luther by the posting of his 95 Thesis on the door of the church in Wittenburg, Germany. Luther used this text the following year to translate the Bible into German. Calvin and Zwingli also used it, and later it became the basis for the King James Version in 1611. end (for now) ___ X SLMR 2.1a X . --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Politically Incorrect! (1:106/1010) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F3300003Date: 02/25/98 From: JOANNE JOHNSON Time: 10:41am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: The King James Version Bible Versions by Eldred Thomas THE KING JAMES VERSION Never before or since has there been such an aggregate of scholarship and spirituality that existed when 47 learned men came together to translate the King James Version. Out of the 47, 4 were college presidents, 6 were bishops, 5 were deans, 30 had doctor's degrees, 39 had master's degrees, 41 were university professors who were all Greek and Hebrew students, 13 were highly skilled Hebrew scholars of a type that rarely has existed since, 10 were Greek scholars of rare scholarship, 3 were Eastern linguists that were as much home with Arabic and the Eastern languages as their own English. A literal dynamo of spiritual power, all of them believed in the plenary verbal inspiration of the Bible, the divinity of Christ without equivocation, and all of them were men of prayer. Some prayed as much as 5 hours per day during the entire course of their Christian lives. Only God could have prepared this group of men for such a monumental task, the results of which were, in the providence of God, needed for the great evangelistic and missionary thrust of the succeeding centuries. These men were divided into seix companies and eachassigned a portion of scripture to translate. Each man tranlated each portion, then met to compare results. The results were transmitted to each of the other companies for review and consent. A slect committee then went over the whole work, and finally a committee of two of the best linguistics were assigned the task of final review and approval. The results were the best Bible the world has ever possessed which has been used more than any other Bible to bring the world to Christ. it still stands as a masterpiece of scholarship and literary art unexcelled in the history of the world. (continued) ___ X SLMR 2.1a X . --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Politically Incorrect! (1:106/1010) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F3300004Date: 02/26/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 03:53pm \/To: JOANNE JOHNSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hi JOANNE, JJ>.REPLY: 1:3603/140 9ec71285 JJ>.MSGID: 1:106/1010.0 34f312ba CR>That is a definite possibility. I am using an old Windows version o CR>OLR Blue Wave Rider, 1994, version 1.20. It has a built in version CR>PKZIP that might be incompatible with the newer PKZIP packets. Howe CR>am using the same program on two other BBS's and I'm not having any CR>at all with either of them. I'll download another version of PKZIP CR>that. CR>Thanks! CR>Sincerely in Christ, CR>Charlie Ray, CR>Chaplain JJ>I was getting a lot of error messages when trying to unzip packets. My JJ>sysop helped in saying that I may not have enough hard drive space. I JJ>deleted a lot of stuff on my computer, and haven't had the problem JJ>since. JJ> joanne That is definitely not the problem. I have a 2 gig hard drive with over 1 gigabyte free space. The problem is that the packets works intermittently, not that they don't work at all. Thanks for your suggestions though. Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. (NIV). chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide. * Origin: Doc's Place, Clw Fla. telnet://docsplace.dyn.ml.org (1:3603/140)