--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2300000Date: 02/02/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 06:51pm \/To: ANNE MCREARY (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hi ANNE, Thanks, Anne, I'll give it a try tonight. AM>use your internet web browser and point to the following URL: AM>http://bbs.neverending.com AM>You can use your browser to read the FIDO message areas. You can even AM>download AM>them to use with blue wave in qwk format and then re-upload the reply p AM>You don't have to telenet to Ed Koon's BBS where the trash is.... He is AM>"only game" around..... AM>Take care! AM>Anne McReary AM>mcreary@gte.net AM>http://home1.gte.net/mcreary AM>With links to PCPBBS and these fine Networks: AM>AFN, ICFN, CYBCH, MJCN, PATNET, STN, PNFN, HCN, FIDO and much more! AM>--- AM> * Origin: Point & Counter Point * Lakewood, WA * (253) 589-8804 (1:138 Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus. * Origin: Fido Backbone Mail & More! telnet://docsplace.dyn.ml (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2300001Date: 02/02/98 From: ANNE MCREARY Time: 11:14pm \/To: CHARLIE RAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hello Charlie! Monday February 02 1998 18:51, Charlie Ray wrote to Anne Mcreary: CR> Thanks, Anne, I'll give it a try tonight. AM>> use your internet web browser and point to the following URL: AM>> http://bbs.neverending.com AM>> You can use your browser to read the FIDO message areas. You can AM>> even download them to use with blue wave in qwk format and then AM>> re-upload the reply p Just trying to give you an alternative. Let me know how it works for you. < Take care! Anne McReary mcreary@gte.net http://home1.gte.net/mcreary With links to PCPBBS and these fine Networks: AFN, ICFN, CYBCH, MJCN, PATNET, STN, PNFN, HCN, FIDO and much more! --- * Origin: Point & Counter Point * Lakewood, WA * (253) 589-8804 (1:138/323) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2300002Date: 02/02/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 08:46pm \/To: ROBBY DITTMANN (Read 0 times) Subj: The Bible Hi ROBBY, RD>.MSGID: 1:133/8003.0 34ad1168 CR> I got it, Clarence:) I thought it was funny. Reminded CR> me of a parody done CR> by a Christian comedian I knew in Bible college. Only his sermone CR> started out with Genesis and went all the way to CR> Revelation. I only wish I CR> had a hard copy of it. Noah and the ark became the ark CR> of the covenant and CR> somehow the preacher tied that in with the New CR> Jerusalem coming down out of CR> heaven:) RD>I forget his name, but this sermonette is on a tape called "Good Clean RD>It's a collection of bits from various christian comedians, and should RD>availble (or orderable) from any christian bookstore. RD>My favorite part is when they cast Jezebel doen from the tower and "of RD>pieces that remained were 12 basketfulls"! I remember now. His name is Justin Fennell. He was the director of the Alumni office at Southeastern College of the Assemblies of God back when I was there in 1988-91. Rumor has it that when he was a student back in the late 70's he once mooned somebody uptown, Lakeland, Florida and was expelled from college for a while. :) He is an ordained minister with the Assemblies of God now. God bless:) Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus. * Origin: The NeverEnding BBS/Deltona,FL/407-860-7720/bbs.never (1:3618/555) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2300003Date: 02/02/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 08:49pm \/To: ANNE MCREARY (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hi ANNE, I got bbs.neverending.com and guess what? It does work with telnet and I got on with the ZOC program. It logs on just like an old DOS based modem program and doesn't use as much bandwidth as the Windows Clients, Wildcat, etc. I'm replying via that BBS in this message. Thanks for your suggestion! God bless you. :) Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus. * Origin: The NeverEnding BBS/Deltona,FL/407-860-7720/bbs.never (1:3618/555) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2400000Date: 02/03/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 07:06pm \/To: ANNE MCREARY (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hi ANNE, AM>.MSGID: 1:138/323 34d6535f AM>.REPLY: 1:3603/140 410f289f AM>.TID: FastEcho 1.46.1 8692 AM>Hello Charlie! AM>Monday February 02 1998 18:51, Charlie Ray wrote to Anne Mcreary: CR> Thanks, Anne, I'll give it a try tonight. AM>> use your internet web browser and point to the following URL: AM>> http://bbs.neverending.com AM>> You can use your browser to read the FIDO message areas. You can AM>> even download them to use with blue wave in qwk format and then AM>> re-upload the reply p AM>Just trying to give you an alternative. Let me know how it works for y < Unfortunately, something is wrong with Neverending's packer program somewhere. I keep getting errors when I try to open the QWK packets. I'll have to look around for another one that is more reliable I guess. Thanks:) Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus. * Origin: Fido Backbone Mail & More! telnet://docsplace.dyn.ml (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2500000Date: 02/03/98 From: ANNE MCREARY Time: 05:25pm \/To: CHARLIE RAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hello CHARLIE! Monday February 02 1998 20:49, CHARLIE RAY wrote to ANNE MCREARY: CR> I got bbs.neverending.com and guess what? It does work with telnet CR> and I got on with the ZOC program. It logs on just like an old DOS CR> based modem program and doesn't use as much bandwidth as the Windows CR> Clients, Wildcat, etc. GOOD! CR> I'm replying via that BBS in this message. Thanks for your CR> suggestion! Just trying to be helpful. I wasn't certain if telenet would work or not, but now we know! < I've only used the html client. CR> God bless you. :) And you as well! IHS! Anne McReary mcreary@gte.net http://home1.gte.net/mcreary With links to PCPBBS and these fine Networks: AFN, ICFN, CYBCH, MJCN, PATNET, STN, PNFN, HCN, FIDO and much more! --- * Origin: Point & Counter Point * Lakewood, WA * (253) 589-8804 (1:138/323) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2E00000Date: 02/09/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 07:48pm \/To: CHARLES CREAGER, SR. (Read 0 times) Subj: Fido Feeds ... Hi CHARLES, Try Wholly_Bible. For some reason there seems to be more activity there. Maybe the moderators are more lenient in what is considered on topic? CC>.MSGID: 1:3639/3 8BF9470A CC>Dear Anne & Charlie Ray, CC>I was very disappointed to come into this board and find repeated CC>messages back and forth on "Fido Feeds." My Fido does not need feeding CC>because I only have cats for pets. CC>In all seriousness, this board was suppose to be on the Open Bible. Ye CC>I found only two posts and those were repeats on any Bible subject. CC>I am willing to discuss the Bible, but can we cut personal messeges on CC>internetting? Then, I won't have to waste time on this board to find CC>posts of interest. Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 Watch you life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both your self and your hearers. (NIV). chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus. * Origin: Doc's Place, Clw Fla. (USA) telnet://docsplace.dyn. (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 262 INT. BIBLE STUDY Ref: F2E00001Date: 02/09/98 From: CHARLIE RAY Time: 07:57pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Cambridge Declaration The Cambridge Declaration of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals --------------------------------------------------------------------------- April 20, 1996 Evangelical churches today are increasingly dominated by the spirit of this age rather than by the Spirit of Christ. As evangelicals, we call ourselves to repent of this sin and to recover the historic Christian faith. In the course of history words change. In our day this has happened to the word "evangelical." In the past it served as a bond of unity between Christians from a wide diversity of church traditions. Historic evangelicalism was confessional. It embraced the essential truths of Christianity as those were defined by the great ecumenical councils of the church. In addition, evangelicals also shared a common heritage in the "solas" of the sixteenth century Protestant Reformation. Today the light of the Reformation has been significantly dimmed. The consequence is that the word "evangelical" has become so inclusive as to have lost its meaning. We face the peril of losing the unity it has taken centuries to achieve. Because of this crisis and because of our love of Christ, his gospel and his church, we endeavor to assert anew our commitment to the central truths of the Reformation and of historic evangelicalism. These truths we affirm not because of their role in our traditions, but because we believe that they are central to the Bible. *Sola Scriptura: The Erosion of Authority* Scripture alone is the inerrant rule of the church's life, but the evangelical church today has separated Scripture from its authoritative function. In practice, the church is guided, far too often, by the culture. Therapeutic technique, marketing strategies, and the beat of the entertainment world often have far more to say about what the church wants, how it functions and what it offers, than does the Word of God. Pastors have neglected their rightful oversight of worship, including the doctrinal content of the music. As biblical authority has been abandoned in practice, as its truths have faded from Christian consciousness, and as its doctrines have lost their saliency, the church has been increasingly emptied of its integrity, moral authority and direction. Rather than adapting Christian faith to satisfy the felt needs of consumers, we must proclaim the law as the only measure of true righteousness and the gospel as the only announcement of saving truth. Biblical truth is indispensable to the church's understanding, nurture and discipline. Scripture must take us beyond our perceived needs to our real needs and liberate us from seeing ourselves through the seductive images, cliches, promises and priorities of mass culture. It is only in the light of God's truth that we understand ourselves aright and see God's provision for our need. The Bible, therefore, must be taught and preached in the church. Sermons must be expositions of the Bible and its teachings, not expressions of the preacher's opinions or the ideas of the age. We must settle for nothing less than what God has given. The work of the Holy Spirit in personal experience cannot be disengaged from Scripture. The Spirit does not speak in ways that are independent of Scripture. Apart from Scripture we would never have known of God's grace in Christ. The biblical Word, rather than spiritual experience, is the test of truth. THESIS ONE: SOLA SCRIPTURA We reaffirm the inerrant Scripture to be the sole source of written divine revelation,which alone can bind the conscience. The Bible alone teaches all that is necessary for our salvation from sin and is the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. We deny that any creed, council or individual may bind a Christian's conscience, that the Holy Spirit speaks independently of or contrary to what is set forth in the Bible, or that personal spiritual experience can ever be a vehicle of revelation. *Solus Christus: The Erosion of Christ-Centered Faith* As evangelical faith becomes secularized, its interests have been blurred with those of the culture. The result is a loss of absolute values, permissive individualism, and a substitution of wholeness for holiness, recovery for repentance, intuition for truth, feeling for belief, chance for providence, and immediate gratification for enduring hope. Christ and his cross have moved from the center of our vision. THESIS TWO: SOLUS CHRISTUS We reaffirm that our salvation is accomplished by the mediatorial work of the historical Christ alone. His sinless life and substitutionary atonement alone are sufficient for our justification and reconciliation to the Father. We deny that the gospel is preached if Christ's substitutionary work is not declared and faith in Christ and his work is not solicited. *Sola Gratia: The Erosion of The Gospel* Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature. This false confidence now fills the evangelical world; from the self-esteem gospel, to the health and wealth gospel, from those who have transformed the gospel into a product to be sold and sinners into consumers who want to buy, to others who treat Christian faith as being true simply because it works. This silences the doctrine of justification regardless of the official commitments of our churches. God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. THESIS THREE: SOLA GRATIA We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. *Sola Fide: The Erosion of The Chief Article* Justification is by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone. This is the article by which the church stands or falls. Today this article is often ignored, distorted or sometimes even denied by leaders, scholars and pastors who claim to be evangelical. Although fallen human nature has always recoiled from recognizing its need for Christ's imputed righteousness, modernity greatly fuels the fires of this discontent with the biblical Gospel. We have allowed this discontent to dictate the nature of our ministry and what it is we are preaching. Many in the church growth movement believe that sociological understanding of those in the pew is as important to the success of the gospel as is the biblical truth which is proclaimed. As a result, theological convictions are frequently divorced from the work of the ministry. The marketing orientation in many churches takes this even further, erasing the distinction between the biblical Word and the world, robbing Christ's cross of its offense, and reducing Christian faith to the principles and methods which bring success to secular corporations. While the theology of the cross may be believed, these movements are actually emptying it of its meaning. There is no gospel except that of Christ's substitution in our place whereby God imputed to him our sin and imputed to us his righteousness. Because he bore our judgment, we now walk in his grace as those who are forever pardoned, accepted and adopted as God's children. There is no basis for our acceptance before God except in Christ's saving work, not in our patriotism, churchly devotion or moral decency. The gospel declares what God has done for us in Christ. It is not about what we can do to reach him. THESIS FOUR: SOLA FIDE We reaffirm that justification is by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone. In justification Christ's righteousness is imputed to us as the only possible satisfaction of God's perfect justice. We deny that justification rests on any merit to be found in us, or upon the grounds of an infusion of Christ's righteousness in us, or that an institution claiming to be a church that denies or condemns sola fide can be recognized as a legitimate church. *Soli Deo Gloria: The Erosion of God-Centered Worship* Wherever in the church biblical authority has been lost, Christ has been displaced, the gospel has been distorted, or faith has been perverted, it has always been for one reason: our interests have displaced God's and we are doing his work in our way. The loss of God's centrality in the life of today's church is common and lamentable. It is this loss that allows us to transform worship into entertainment, gospel preaching into marketing, believing into technique, being good into feeling good about ourselves, and faithfulness into being successful. As a result, God, Christ and the Bible have come to mean too little to us and rest too inconsequentially upon us. God does not exist to satisfy human ambitions, cravings, the appetite for consumption, or our own private spiritual interests. We must focus on God in our worship, rather than the satisfaction of our personal needs. God is sovereign in worship; we are not. Our concern must be for God's kingdom, not our own empires, popularity or success. THESIS FIVE: SOLI DEO GLORIA We reaffirm that because salvation is of God and has been accomplished by God, it is for God's glory and that we must glorify him always. We must live our entire lives before the face of God, under the authority of God and for his glory alone. We deny that we can properly glorify God if our worship is confused with entertainment, if we neglect either Law or Gospel in our preaching, or if self-improvement, self-esteem or self-fulfillment are allowed to become alternatives to the gospel. *A Call To Repentance & Reformation* The faithfulness of the evangelical church in the past contrasts sharply with its unfaithfulness in the present. Earlier in this century, evangelical churches sustained a remarkable missionary endeavor, and built many religious institutions to serve the cause of biblical truth and Christ's kingdom. That was a time when Christian behavior and expectations were markedly different from those in the culture. Today they often are not. The evangelical world today is losing its biblical fidelity, moral compass and missionary zeal. We repent of our worldliness. We have been influenced by the "gospels" of our secular culture, which are no gospels. We have weakened the church by our own lack of serious repentance, our blindness to the sins in ourselves which we see so clearly in others, and our inexcusable failure to adequately tell others about God's saving work in Jesus Christ. We also earnestly call back erring professing evangelicals who have deviated from God's Word in the matters discussed in this Declaration. This includes those who declare that there is hope of eternal life apart from explicit faith in Jesus Christ, who claim that those who reject Christ in this life will be annihilated rather than endure the just judgment of God through eternal suffering, or who claim that evangelicals and Roman Catholics are one in Jesus Christ even where the biblical doctrine of justification is not believed. The Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals asks all Christians to give consideration to implementing this Declaration in the church's worship, ministry, policies, life and evangelism. For Christ's sake. Amen. ACE Executive Council (1996) Dr. John Armstrong Rev. Alistair Begg Dr. James M. Boice Dr. W. Robert Godfrey Dr. John D. Hannah Dr. Michael S. Horton Mrs. Rosemary Jensen Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr. Dr. Robert M. Norris Dr. R. C. Sproul Dr. G. Edward Veith Dr. David Wells Dr. Luder Whitlock Dr. J. A. O. Preus, III --------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR FURTHER READING, SEE ALSO: Highlights From The Cambridge Summit Meeting An Introduction to The Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals, by James M. Boice The Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals exists to call the church, amidst our dying culture, to repent of its worldliness, to recover and confess the five Solas of the Reformation, and to see them embodied in all other doctrines, worship, and life. For more information about Alliance resources, conferences, or broadcasts, call 215-546-3696. The web site address for this document is: www. remembrancer.com/ace. Sincerely in Christ, Charlie Ray, Chaplain 1 Timothy 4:16 Watch you life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both your self and your hearers. (NIV). chaplain@isgroup.net --- * WR # 461 * Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus. * Origin: Doc's Place, Clw Fla. (USA) telnet://docsplace.dyn. (1:3603/140)