--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00058 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEFRJAMI@MSN.COM Time: 08:05pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: The Dutch From: "Denis Tremblay" Subject: Re: The Dutch Organization: Home Computer Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.cmc.net!news-out.i nternetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 How about 3.....d5 Later... -- Denis Tremblay CET defrjami@msn.com wtg@SoCA.com wrote in message <34E718C6.6E8A@SoCA.com>... >I have been adding the Dutch Defense to my arsenal but Chessmaster has thrown a wrinkle >into my study. It often responds in a way that is not covered in Modern Chess Openings. >1.d4 f5 >2.h3 Nf6 >3.g4 > >If I respond 4...fxg 5.hxg Nxg > >I generally run into all kinds of problems. What is the best way to continue after >3.g4? --- * Origin: Home Computer (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00059 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEFRJAMI@MSN.COM Time: 07:56pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Chess Openings From: "Denis Tremblay" Subject: Re: Chess Openings Organization: Home Computer Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.cmc.net!news-out.i nternetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 It's a chess program..... Later... -- Denis Tremblay CET defrjami@msn.com Collins wrote in message <6c5qn4$fho@ns1.ccinet.net>... >What or who is Fritz? I'm fairly new to this. > > >Bob Durrett wrote in message ... --- * Origin: Home Computer (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00060 Date: 02/17/98 From: RDURRETT@BELLSOUTH.NET Time: 07:20pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Unknown Openings? From: "Bob Durrett" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Re: Unknown Openings? ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!Cabal.CESspool!bofh. vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth .net!news2.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail The question of immediate interest is: "Do I want to come up with a definitive answer, by myself (or with friends), for one of the "time waster" moves, and how would I/we go about it?" Take, for example, [after 1.e4 e5] the move 2.a3. The initial difficulty would be in finding the resulting position in any of the currently available large databases. Maybe a few games could be found, but not many. So then what else could you try? Another try would be to create a database consisting of games in which: (a) white pawns were on a3 and e4, but not on a2, e2, and e3, and where a black pawn was on e5 but not on e7 and e6 and (b) only a few moves [let's arbitrarily pick six for each side] had been played. Then it would be a matter of searching for ways to transpose into those positions without playing dumb moves. Still, this would only be the beginning and it would take a lot of work to produce a practical opening repertoire based on the "time waster" sequence. Obviously, if the analyst were a GM, then the results would have a better chance of legitimacy. Maybe someone else has some ideas on how this CHESS ANALYSIS task could be performed to produce a definitive (i.e.: non-speculative) answer as to the merit or lack thereof of a given "time waster" move? Jeffrey A. Young wrote in message <6cd38h$8sm@ultra0.rdrc.rpi.edu>... >In article <6cd0d9$h2b$1@nw003t.infi.net>, >Aaron Wessells wrote: >>The problem is that almost none of these moves can be refuted in only one >>moves or even a few moves. It is only apparent in the middle-game where >>these time-wasting moves will hurt you. > >Well... I just can't accept such a broad generalization. Without >further evidence, it would seem equally possible that one of the "time >wasters" could someday be developed into a new opening. With so much >emphasis on extending known lines, and apparently without standard >refutations of these few unknowns, isn't it likely that we're missing >something? Any examples from experience or from published games >appreciated. > >>Jeffrey A. Young wrote in message <6ccva1$8p1@ultra0.rdrc.rpi.edu>... >>>After 1 e4 e5, there are 29 legal moves for white's 2nd move. >>>Only 7 of these seem to be considered acceptable/interesting >>>enough to be given names and included in books on openings. >>>What about the rest? Are they ALL horrible? Even if so, it >>>would seem an interesting/instructive/easy task to come up with >>>the best single-move refutations for each one. Any takers? >>> >>>Also, which "acceptable" 2nd moves am I missing, if any? >>> >>>2 Bb5 Portuguese Opening >>>2 Bc4 Bishop's Opening >>>2 Nc3 Vienna Game >>>2 Ne2 Alapin's Opening >>>2 Nf3 various >>>2 d4 Center Game >>>2 f4 King's Gambit >>> >>>It seems that a3, b3, g3, and h3 would not be so bad. >>>How about c3, d3, and f3? >>> >>>The remaining 15: >>> a4, b4, c4, g4, h4, >>> Be2, Bd3, Ba6?, >>> Qe2, Qf3, Qg4, Qh5, >>> Ke2, >>> Na3, Nh3 >>> >>>Jeff >> >> > > --- * Origin: (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00061 Date: 02/17/98 From: MRSLUG@NWLINK.COM Time: 06:51pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Where is Bobby Fischer? From: "Lawrence S. Tamarkin" Newsgroups: alt.chess.ics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.ches s.misc,rec.games.chess.play-by-email,rec.games.chess.politics Subject: Re: Where is Bobby Fischer? Organization: Northwest Link ftn.hub.org!hub.org!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-xfer.netaxs.com!nntp.texas.net!nnt p.flash.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.nwlink.com!not-for-mail Fischer is alive. In my opinion he is a big coward,as he certainly could hook up his computer and play on the Internet Chess Servers. He could attempt to prove that his self proclaimed World champion title had some merit. (Or he should stop embarrassing himself by saying he is the real World Champion, ever time some one finds him and interviews him). And nothing stops him from negotiating a paid match against various top GM's in the world over the Internet, under terms that would be very reasonable to both sides. [Note that Kasparov is even now planning a match against Topolov in June, using computer playing programs, and databases for both players - This should be quite fascinating for all!, and also note, Kasparov didn't say to himself, 'this guy is no match for me, so why even bother', He is simply doing it. What ever you think of Kasparov, the guy has the guts to put his game where his idea's are!] And even if he could not find the sponsors himself, their are player's (Seirawan for example), that would put up the money! - but again, he is a big coward!] Evaristo Bailn Canales wrote in message <6c4v9t$9tf$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es>... >-Is die or live? >-Why is missing? [He is known to be a paroniod and Anti-Semetic (I.E., he thinks Jews are involved in a conspirocy to control the World!) Also, Fischer who for years ran around calling the soviets, communist cheats, and acting like he is a true American in principle, has not paid Income Taxes, on his earnings in many years. Also, he played a match in 1992 against Boris Spassky (#101 on the World ranking list at the time), which the United States explicitly sent him a warning that he was violating International sanctions, by playing in a war raviged country, where people were killing each other all over the place, in which the UN charter was trying to prevent enconomic activity benifiting that insanity, while it was going on. What was Fischer's responce to this - He spit on the document! So it is no wonder that he would be arrested if he ever returned to the US. Does Fischer (the man of principle that he is), even try to explain why his desire to make a little pocket money through organizers who were widely thought to be associated with the International Mofia, playing someone he was almost sure to beat, in a country under long thought out International santions, over the Internet? (Like how about right in here, Bobby!) No he doesn't bother, because he is incaple of arguing his points in a forume where the only way you can hide is by not responding to other people's reasonably thought out questions... >-Does he afraid to play against actual chess players? [The fact that he doesn't, where this wonderful technology is available would seem to suggest that this is the case] >-What does he do now? [No one knows for sure, but my guess would be that he has a few supporter's/freinds, who he pontificates his insane veiwpoints too. I understand from people I know, that actually know him, is that he is quite passionate & convincing when eloquoting to a captive audience, especially when they have simular views! Lawrence S. Tamarkin mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! --- * Origin: Northwest Link (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00062 Date: 02/17/98 From: SRESNICK@SLIP.NET Time: 05:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Fajarowicz query 4.a3 b6 5.Qd5 Bb7 617:42:3602/17/98 From: sresnick@slip.net Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Re: Fajarowicz query 4.a3 b6 5.Qd5 Bb7 6.Qb7 Nc6 7.b4 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion ftn.hub.org!hub.org!WCG!news.oru.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.ed u!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail harfe@mail.force9.net wrote: > In Chapter 11 of his book 'The Fighting Fajarowicz', Tim Harding gives > the following line: > 1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de Ne4 4.a3 b6 > At this point 5.Qd5 is given a question mark because of: > '5.Qd5? Bb7! 6.Qxb7? Nc6 7.Nf3 (7.Qa6 Nc5) Rb8 8.Qa6 Nc5 9.Qb5 a6' > > One possibility that isn't mentioned in the book is 7.b4 which keeps > the Black knight out of c5 and allows White to keep the Queen. After 7. b4, Shouldn't Black consider 7. ... a5, covering the Queen's escape? After 8. b5 Nc5 9. Qxa8 Qxa8 10. bc Nb3 Black is better, no? > Analysing the move with Fritz produced the following main variation: > 7.b4 Rb8 8.Qa6 Nxf2 9.g3 Nxh1 10. Bg2 Nxg3 11.hg =+ > White runs into problems after 9.Kxf2, e.g. > 9...Qh4 10.g3 Qd4+ 11.Be3 Qxa1 =+ (0.50) according to Fritz. Stuart sresnick@slip.net http://www.slip.net/~sresnick/mypage.shtml -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading --- * Origin: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00063 Date: 02/17/98 From: MANOFGOD@MINDSPRING.COM Time: 03:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Where is Bobby Fischer? From: manofgod@mindspring.com (Trey Holliday) Newsgroups: alt.chess.ics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.ches s.misc,rec.games.chess.play-by-email,rec.games.chess.politics Subject: Re: Where is Bobby Fischer? Organization: MindSpring Enterprises ftn.hub.org!hub.org!fu-berlin.de!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!ne ws.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspri ng.com!usenet On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:35:18 GMT, rmosk@netcom.com (Ron Moskovitz) wrote: > Fischer is not being 'hunted' by the U.S. government. He faces >indictment if he ever comes back here. > > They're not the same thing. > > -Ron I think in that case that both Bobby and the US government are acting like two year olds. First of all, Bobby played against a Yugoslavian for money, not Yugoslavia. It isn't as if chess is an import. Second, this shouldn't be a major charge but the US is making a big deal out of it. Bobby shouldn't of played for money outside of the sanctions of established organizations (it's kind of like selling a product for yourself when that product is linked to a business that you work for.) Also, I think Bobby should come and face the music. Public outcires have sometimes been beneficial in court cases, and I think if Bobbo got a good enough lawyer he could get out of this mess. --- * Origin: MindSpring Enterprises (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00064 Date: 02/17/98 From: MARK7921@AOL.COM Time: 02:56pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Boris Spassky's memory From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Boris Spassky's memory Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.gam es.chess.play-by-email,rec.games.chess.politics Organization: http://www.aol.com ftn.hub.org!hub.org!fu-berlin.de!howland.erols.net!fastnet!ptdnetP!newsgate.pt d.net!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.sgi.net!not-for-mail Staunton wrote > > How good is your memory? You posted this twenty five minutes ago? Your absolutely right sir, I am so sorry. You know, I probably have the worst memory out of everyone here in this newsgroup. The reason for the extra post (I think) was because I was posting on another newsgroup and as unaware that I re-included "rec.games.chess.misc" again. What was I saying? --- * Origin: http://www.aol.com (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00065 Date: 02/17/98 From: HARFE@MAIL.FORCE9.NET Time: 01:59pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Fajarowicz query 4.a3 b6 5.Qd5 Bb7 6.Qb713:59:1202/17/98 From: harfe@mail.force9.net Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Fajarowicz query 4.a3 b6 5.Qd5 Bb7 6.Qb7 Nc6 7.b4 Organization: Force 9 Internet ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-ne ws-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!n ews.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!arbiter-force9-uk!news2-force 9-uk!usenet In Chapter 11 of his book 'The Fighting Fajarowicz', Tim Harding gives the following line: 1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de Ne4 4.a3 b6 At this point 5.Qd5 is given a question mark because of: '5.Qd5? Bb7! 6.Qxb7? Nc6 7.Nf3 (7.Qa6 Nc5) Rb8 8.Qa6 Nc5 9.Qb5 a6' (An incidental question is why doesn't Black play 7...Nc5? Maybe its to give White the opportunity of avoiding QxR.) One possibility that isn't mentioned in the book is 7.b4 which keeps the Black knight out of c5 and allows White to keep the Queen. Analysing the move with Fritz produced the following main variation: 7.b4 Rb8 8.Qa6 Nxf2 9.g3 Nxh1 10. Bg2 Nxg3 11.hg =+ White runs into problems after 9.Kxf2, e.g. 9...Qh4 10.g3 Qd4+ 11.Be3 Qxa1 =+ (0.50) according to Fritz. I've only just started looking at 7.b4 and it looks like its ok for Black, but I can't find any games in this line. I'd really appreciate knowing if anyone has come across any analysis or games with 7.b4 in this variation of the Faj. Many thanks, Jerry --- * Origin: Force 9 Internet (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00066 Date: 02/17/98 From: BRUNO.CONDUCTIER@SOPHIA.INRIA.FR Time: 12:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Books on positionnal advantage realizati12:17:1202/17/98 From: Bruno Conductier Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Books on positionnal advantage realization Organization: INRIA ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.eerie.fr!eerie.fr!new s.univ-aix.fr!unice.fr!news-sop.inria.fr!usenet Hi, i'm looking for a training book dealing with the realization of a positionnal advantage. When i analyse my games i notice that i can manage opening, middle game or ending when i've got an aims ;o). One problem is when i reach a better position with no tactical resources, or final transposition and still can't see more improvement of the position. The second major problem is dealing with the initiative of the opponent after a small combination winning a pawn or a quality (i.e. the tempo invest in the material gain benefits to the opponent). Thanks for any suggestion. Bruno --- * Origin: INRIA (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00067 Date: 02/17/98 From: HOWARDSTAUNTON@HOTMAIL.COM Time: 03:35pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Boris Spassky's memory From: Staunton Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.gam es.chess.play-by-email,rec.games.chess.politics Subject: Re: Boris Spassky's memory Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-ne ws-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!kni fe.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail Mark wrote: > > Hello. > > I have read a lot of posts on how Bobby Fischer's and Mikhail Tal's and > Wilhelm Steinitz's memory were excellent (along with all GMs) > > But does anyone know exactly how good was Boris Spassky's memory? Did he > ever perform or display any *amazing* feats of memory in his career? > > Thank You. How good is your memory? You posted this twenty five minutes ago? --- * Origin: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). (1:2424/12.1)