--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00048 Date: 02/14/98 From: KALANI@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Time: 11:45am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: A NEW FICS!!! From: Kalani Cotner Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: A NEW FICS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!data.ramona.vix.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk! bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!not-for -mail I have set-up a free internet chess server at telnet::chess.dorm.utexas.edu port 5000. When you register and get your auto-reply e-mail disregard the part where it tells you to connect to fics.onenet.net 5000 you should connect to chess.dorm.utexas.edu 5000 FICS AdminGuy --- * Origin: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00049 Date: 02/11/98 From: M-BRODIE@CS.UIUC.EDU Time: 12:22pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Two Knights Defense - Fried Liver At12:22:2602/11/98 From: m-brodie@cs.uiuc.edu (Mark Brodie) Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Re: Two Knights Defense - Fried Liver Attack Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ftn.hub.org!hub.org!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!howland.erol s.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!m-brodie Izya Yagolnitser writes: >I quote: "As we analyzed the variations we became less convinced that this >traditional evaluation is correct, and it may be that the "beginner's blunder" >is fully playable after all!" (from page 213)Note the "may be" here. >Then Mr. Schiller goes on to tell us that 8...Ne7 is bad and that he will ry >to "resuscitate" 8...Nb4! Eric quotes extensively from Estrin, but gives 11. >Bxd5 and goes on trying to show how there is no clear win for White. In the >end, however, and I quote again: "The above must be taken with a grain of >salt, since of the authors plays this line." Now why would Mr. Schiller >suddenly forget about Estrin's analysis here? I tell you what - may be his >copy was missing a page :-) Or maybe English translators did not think it as >important to include the following paragraph from the original Estrin's work >of 1970, laying in front of me now, pages slightly yellowed, text in >Russian... (Schiller's copy is published in 1983) : "For a long time it was >believed that after 10...Nd4 11. Bxd5+ [etc. snip mine] Black, while down a >pawn, has drawing chances because of different color Bishops. However nstead >of obvious 11. Bxd5+ White, as pointed out by V. Panov, has to play 11. Qe4!, >threatening 12. Nxd5, 11...c6 12. Re1!, regaining the piece and keeping the >advantage. This important improvement changed the evaluation of this entire >variation." This is my translation, I am not a professional, but there is very >little text, so I doubt I messed it up badly. Eric Schiller either ignored r >did not know about V. Panov's 11. Qe4! Either way, now you and everyone else >who reads this do :-) >Good luck, and don't let it be me across the table from you next time you >decide to play 5...Nxd5? :-) >P.S. Aside from the missed 11. Qe4!, "The Big Book of Busts" covers this >variation very well, and knowing how hard it would be for you to come by the >original Estrin's book, I recommended NM Schiller's instead. The copy of Estrin that I know has: " 11. Qe4 c6 12. Re1 (recommended by Panov, but...) 12...Kf7! " and a long line is given with advantage to Black. Mark Brodie --- * Origin: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00050 Date: 02/19/98 From: JASON MAC INNES Time: 11:02am \/To: MATIAS RIZZONE (Read 0 times) Subj: A game? Greetings and salutations, -=> Quoting Matias Rizzone to Jason Mac Innes <=- MR> i wait for you white move response. MR> my first white move is p4r. Well, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that notation style at all. Sorry. :( My initial guess about your move would be A4 or H4 (P-QR4 or P-KR4). Neither of which I suspect is right. I'm interested in knowing the name of this notation style and its rules, though. FidoNet : Jason Mac Innes@1:250/710 Internet: Jason.Mac.Innes@capcanada.com ... I'm not insane, I'm mad I tell you! *MAD*! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- PCBoard (R) v15.3 (OS/2) 5 * Origin: FidoNet: CAP/CANADA Support BBS : 416 287-0234 (1:250/710) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00051 Date: 02/19/98 From: FRANCESCO RABBI Time: 04:24pm \/To: JASON MAC INNES (Read 0 times) Subj: A game? Ciao Jason! mi hai scritto: JMI> Mac Innes Rabbi JMI> 1. e4 e7-e5 Ciao, Francesco * SeM. 2.25 UNREG * Per essere veramente felici non bisogna rendersi conto di_Senna (2:332/423.0) --- LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.41+ * Origin: Active:_In_memory_of_Senna (2:332/403.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00052 Date: 02/11/98 From: SRESNICK@SLIP.NET Time: 01:53pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hinkle Counter-Gambit From: sresnick@slip.net Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Hinkle Counter-Gambit Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion ftn.hub.org!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!WCG!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!ais .net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp2.dejanews.com!not-for-mail A few weeks back, there was some discussion of: >1. d4 Nf6, 2. g4 >Black has no clear, concrete line that takes the >initiative out of White's hands When surprised in a blitz game with this gambit for the first time, my friend Wayne Hinkle immediately responded with 2. ... Nxg4 3. e4 Nxf2?!. I explored this counter-gambit against my computer (Chess321), forcing the first 3 oves, then playing White in a 60 moves/30 minutes game. I'd appreciate any comments on the game, the counter-gambit, & best response to it. WHITE: Me BLACK: Chess321 1. d4 Nf6 2. g4?! Nxg4 3. e4 Nxf2?! 4. Kxf2 e5 5. Nf3 ed 6. Bg2 Bc5 7. Qd3 Nc6 8. a3 0-0 9. Bg5 Qe8 10. Nd2 d6 11. Rhf1 Ne5 12. Nxe5 de 13. Kg1 h6 14. Bh4 Bg4 15. Kh1 a6 16. Qg3 h5 17. h3 Be2 18. Bf6 g6 19. Rf5 Qb5 20. Bf3 Bxf3 21. Nxf3 Qb6 22. Qg5 Qxb2 (or 22. ... Kh7, 23. Rg1! forces mate, no?) 23. Qh6 and mates after a couple meaningless checks. Stuart sresnick@slip.net http://www.slip.net/~sresnick/mypage.shtml -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading --- * Origin: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00053 Date: 02/17/98 From: TIM@SARATOGA.AWARD.COM Time: 09:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Unknown Openings? From: "Tim Kokesh" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Re: Unknown Openings? Organization: PSINet ftn.hub.org!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!WCG!newsxfer.visi.net!news.idt.net!psi nntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet Jeffrey A. Young wrote: >Aaron Wessells wrote: >>The problem is that almost none of these moves can be refuted in only one >>moves or even a few moves. It is only apparent in the middle-game where >>these time-wasting moves will hurt you. > >Well... I just can't accept such a broad generalization. Without >further evidence, it would seem equally possible that one of the "time >wasters" could someday be developed into a new opening. With so much >emphasis on extending known lines, and apparently without standard >refutations of these few unknowns, isn't it likely that we're missing >something? Any examples from experience or from published games >appreciated. While I don't think that broad generalizations hold much water in general, I think that Aaron's is pretty reasonable. But to be more specific... First, let's look at what the "accepted" moves do: A) 2. d4 immediately attempts to occupy the center. Although the rather naive 2. ... exd4 3. Qxd4 is relatively harmless, other lines, such as 3. Nf3, 3. Bc4, or 3. c3 aim to open up the position and take advantage of having the first move. B) 2. f4 attacks the center; White will probably (eventually) try to play d2-d4 later, possibly regaining the pawn. Black can get a solid game by reinforcing the pawn with 2. ... Bc5 and 3. ... d6, among other ideas. C) 2. Ne2 develops a piece, although not to a particularly good square. It _does_ support the f2-f4 break, however, and it's probably (IMHO) OK. D) 2. Bb5 also develops a piece, but it can be a target there. I'll admit to having tried this a few times, but I was left less than convinced as to its utility. E) 2. Nc3 develops a piece to its best square. However, it fails to put immediate pressure on the Black center pawn. F) 2. Bc4 puts pressure on f7, Black's main weakness in many Open Games. And while it develops a piece to a good square, it may be a little early to decide exactly where the bishop belongs. G) 2. Nf3 is probably the best; it targets the Black e5-pawn and develops a piece. So how about the other 15 moves? As Aaron noted, none of these moves (with the very notable exception of 2. Ba6??) is truly _horrible_. IIRC, Fischer once experimented with 1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Bxb4 3. e4!? on a simul tour, so maybe 2. b4?! is playable, if weird. But let's look at what some of these moves _do_. 2. d3 blocks in the White Bf1. 2. f3 blocks the White Ng1 from going to its best square. 2. Bd3 blocks the White d-pawn. Etcetera. I could waste time (and bandwidth) going down the list, but _generally_, none of these moves should challenge Black in his quest for equality (or better) out of the opening, since none of them develop pieces to good squares or open particularly useful lines for the White pieces. Tim Kokesh "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. I don't mean that in a small way. I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their products. I have no problem with their success -- they've earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third-rate products." -- Steve Jobs --- * Origin: PSINet (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00054 Date: 02/11/98 From: HAUVA@IKI.FI.FIGHT.SPAM Time: 01:35pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: A Game Request: Wilup-Klaman, Leningrad 13:35:5402/11/98 From: hauva@iki.fi.fight.spam Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: A Game Request: Wilup-Klaman, Leningrad 1959 Organization: Finnish Institute of Occupational Health ftn.hub.org!hub.org!fu-berlin.de!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99 .sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!193.166.5.150.MISMATCH!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.f i!not-for-mail Does anyone has Wilup-Klaman, Leningrad 1959 in his database? I don't have it. I'd appreciate if someone could post it. Please not my forged headers if someone emails me. -- Ari K. Makela hauva@iki.fi http://www.iki.fi/hauva/ "Deux fous gagnent toujours, mais trois fous, non!" - Alexander Alekhine --- * Origin: Finnish Institute of Occupational Health (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00055 Date: 02/11/98 From: EDU@DIVCOMPUTER.COM Time: 06:29am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Petrov Mem 7-15Feb PGN/CBF games From: Phil Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis Subject: Petrov Mem 7-15Feb PGN/CBF games Organization: Diversified Computers ftn.hub.org!hub.org!news.cs.ucla.edu!news.greennet.net!thoth.nilenet.com!natas ha.rmii.com!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!uniserve!sunqbc.ris q.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-wes t.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.12 5.85.9!news.mv.net!not-for-mail --------------2DF76324AC598A1A24B99165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PGN and also CBF format all games downloadable at this address: http://www.dux.ru/chess/Petrov/ind.htm posted 11 Feb during round 4 Petrov Memorial Central Chess Club "Chigorin" St. Petersburg, Russia Spassky is guest of honor. --------------2DF76324AC598A1A24B99165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PGN and also CBF format all games downloadable at this address: posted 11 Feb during round 4 Petrov Memorial
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  --------------2DF76324AC598A1A24B99165-- --- * Origin: Diversified Computers (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00056 Date: 02/17/98 From: SCOTTIE@MAGMA.CA.XXX Time: 09:45pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Chess books for sale (2) From: scottie@magma.ca.xxx (Jim Paul) Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.computer Subject: Chess books for sale (2) ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-ne ws-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup- west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206 .222.68.6!news.rns.net!news.ott.rns.net!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca!not-for-ma il Hi all I still have some chess books for sale. Prices are negotiable but have to include shipping from Canada. If anyone's interested please email me. The Complete Semi-Slav by Wells An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player by Keene & Levy An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player by Gufeld The Inner Game of Chess by Soltis Attacking Chess by Waitskin Fischer - Spassky II by Keene Better Chess for Average Players by Harding Blockade by Nimzowitch Chessercises by Pandolfini Cheers Jim To reply by e-mail remove ".xxx" from address. --- * Origin: (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: F2P00057 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEFRJAMI@MSN.COM Time: 07:53pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Where is Bobby Fischer? From: "Denis Tremblay" Subject: Re: Where is Bobby Fischer? Organization: Home Computer Newsgroups: alt.chess.ics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.ches s.misc,rec.games.chess.play-by-email,rec.games.chess.politics ftn.hub.org!hub.org!newsxfer.visi.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplan et.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Easy to see that this person is spanish......Why being ignorant....ohhhhhh I just looked at you e-mail address.....Still a puppy..... -- Denis Tremblay CET defrjami@msn.com Alex Jacobs wrote in message <34E8DD43.F8F9770@pobox.upenn.edu>... >You write is good grammar. > >Evaristo Bailn Canales wrote: >> >> -Is die or live? >> -Why is missing? >> -Does he afraid to play against actual chess players? >> -What does he do now? --- * Origin: Home Computer (1:2424/12.1)