--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00021 Date: 02/20/97 From: BRUCE DANIEL KETTLER Time: 08:01pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: "skeptic" CULT activities From: "Bruce Daniel Kettler" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Psi Counsel, Inc. Original Date: 20 Feb 1997 22:17:42 GMT SUBJECT: "skeptics" today's events This is from a number of very recent postings in alt.paranormal. See: "'Skeptics," What they do and why'" at: http://www.psicounsel.com click at (underlined) "skeptics" AUTORESPONDER: skepdata@infofree.com (for instant information) wrote: Daniel Wilson wrote: Doug Schiffer wrote: Docktor Reality wrote: Peter Nelson wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: > I looked at this newsgroup hoping to find people with a common > interest. I was looking for people who might have had some of > the same experiences that I have, and maybe have an > explanation for some of them. But most of what I see is moronic > high school back stabbing of a kind I have not seen since I WAS > in high school. leave this group to people who are > really > interested in the topic. Usenet discussions on mysticism and the paranormal are therapy for one particular class of people: people who for deep constitutional reasons cannot abide the remotest possibility that reality might be other than what is apparent to the normal senses. Stay with us, and learn. Dan Wilson ================ I, BDK, wrote: Yes, Dan, stay with us and learn. I agree, they think they are targeting easy prey, but it's not always so, as the link between science and mysticism/paranormal is becoming understood by more. See above referenced "skeptic" info for a clear exposure of this type of mentality. More and more, a hazy view of themselves in the mirror comes about as we either do not reply, or we reply properly to people of this mentality, the so-called "skeptics" or pseudo-skeptics. On 19 Feb 1997, Sherlock wrote: I've come in late on this but I will say without reservation that true channeling is real and can change peoples lives. I am a channeler. I know where i go when in trance, I am not aware of what is said when I channel. Garrison Hilliard wrote: Flat out, you are a liar and a con-artist. +++++++++++++++++++++++ I, BDK, answered: Flat out, you are in the wrong newsgroup, GARRISON. Who do you think you are to write that someone is a liar and a con artist? You don't know what he is, only the robot mentality, the completely brainwashed mentality that blinds you and causes you to react automatically to what people say. It looks like you are a fanatic, to me, writing things like that in newsgroups that are signified by views you do not find valuable. For a clear view of this mentality, with questions asked as to "why" people would waste their time writing about what they disagree with, go to the WWW SITE MENTIONED ABOVE, or send e-mail to the autoresponder. Docktor Reality wrote: I have had it with the modern scientific community. They are just as closed-minded and institutionalized as religious fundamentalists and I am sick of them. +++++++ I, BDK, REPLIED: For a clear insight into the mentality you are referring go to the WWW SITE MENTIONED ABOVE. I disagree about "modern" science, only the cultists that have infiltrated modern science, to some extent. As for your comparision of "scientism" to religious fundamentalism, I made that comparison on one of the "skeptic" pages at the site. As a whole, "modern" science is different than "orthodox" science. See this description with analogies in the "skeptic" pages, and note the underlined: Scientific Study of Psychic Phenomena (to see that science is not entirely taken over by people who would try to make a religion of it -- a "modern" study) Also note on the INSTANT LINKS page the site of a modern PHYSICIST: Jack Sarfatti. END BDK QUOTE +++++++++++++ Daniel Wilson wrote: Kevin Craner said: New ager John perpetuates rubbish such as Psychic powers and Spiritual guidance. Although he has no evidence to back up his claims +++++++++++++++++ I, BDK, REPLIED: You cultists just don't get it, do you? No-one and I mean NO ONE (who I've observed in the past year in alt.paranormal) cares about your so-called *REQUIREMENTS* for evidence. There are no REQUIREMENTS, and you fanatic, one-way minded people STILL DON'T GET IT! He has recently been making very minor noises regarding the one million dollar offer. I was amused at the end of one of his messages. He thinks that Mr Randi would not give a psychic a fair test and even if they did pass the JREF would not pay the money. Whatever John thinks, or thought, about the 1 MILLION DOLLAR OFFER is not important. The fact is, and he has stated, FOR WHATEVER REASONS, that he's not interested. HE'S NOT INTERESTED and it doesn't matter why. You still don't get it! Fanatics never "get it" It's their nature to go on and on and on, never getting the point, but just ranting and raving out of their own brainwashed heads. IN NEWSGROUPS THAT THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN. See my complete description of this brainwashed mentality at: http://www.psicounsel.com click at "Skeptics" and when reading that, it must dispel, immediately, the false notion that I write alone, without others who see the same patterns of behavior and mentality in this group of pseudo-skeptics. I quoted from many good sources, including the founder of alt.paranormal. AUTORESPONDER: skepdata@infofree.com ++++++++++++++++ END BDK QUOTE ++++++++++++++++ I think he was probably a bit miffed because I dared to mention cold reading on alt.paranormal. You can't silence us John. Whatever the psychics do we will be there to expose it for the simple trick it is. ++++++++++++++ BEGIN BDK QUOTE ++++++++++++++ Oh, for god sakes, you people think you know it all. You read some garbage from one of RANDI'S books, and you assume everyone does cold readings. You think we are all scared to death of EXPOSURE. What a pathetic, and sick JOKE! It's simple brainwashing and personality worship to read a book from your HIGH PRIEST of your CULT, RANDI, and think it has all the answers, and then spout off the same RANDI PERSONALITY, even, with the same ridiculous brand of sarcasm. You are the one's who are being exposed, for all the most bizarre and fanatical behavior. ++++++++++++++++++++ END BDK QUOTE +++++++++++ reply to Mr. Craner: Mr Craner, it may not occur to you that the kind of language you defend Mr Randi with might be calculated to make the most trusting of people doubtful about his offer. It is quite evident from your tone (and, let us be frank, his) ++++++++++++ QUOTING MYSELF, BDK: ++++++++++++ See, for the brainwashed cultists, "tone" is always the same. All the cults in the world, where people had been led along like puppets, at times even the "ACCENT" of speech was duplicated. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONTINUING FROM DAN WILSON that he and his supporters would regard any success to substantiate a paranormal effect as automatic fraud, since paranormal events are not possible - whatever pretence may be made before the event. A genuine offer would not need abuse to support it, would it ? In the 1992 "James Randi, Psychic Investigator" TV program I have alluded to elsewhere, when dowser Michael Cook chose the correct square out of sixty (or so) on an unmarked map showing only highways where a well-known archaeological feature was to be found, Mr Randi called the result "chance". Success was not a permitted option. And that was when $1 million was not at stake. Dan Wilson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FROM BDK: Dan, that's just one example of this cult mentality. You probably have more. You could probably help me in my writing. Take a look, please, at the "skeptic" pages, and see what you might want to add to it, that I may quote from you and place there. And, in your postings, I might suggest, make reference to the "skeptic" pages and to autoresponder: skepdata@infofree.com so people will have a good idea how to handle these jokers. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00022 Date: 02/21/97 From: D.M. DAVENPORT Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ~~~ Solving the Search Dilemma! ~~~ From: "D.M. Davenport" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal. hanneling,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.parenting.solutions,alt parenting.spanking,alt.parents-teens,alt.parents.analretentive.in Organization: marketshares Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:07:56 -0500 ~~~ Solving the Search Dilemma! ~~~ We challenge you. 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Please visit www.marketshares.com for more information and a chance to make the web work for you! --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00023 Date: 02/21/97 From: AK123@LAFN.ORG Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: AMAZING TIME TRAVEL PRODUCTS Reply-to: ak123@lafn.org From: ak123@lafn.org Newsgroups: lt.misc.forteana,alt.conspiracy,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.radica -left,alt.society.revolution,alt.religion.christian,sci.skeptic,s i.med,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.media. Organization: lafn.org Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:10:09 +0000 francisco loaiza wrote: > > Jeff Bondono wrote: > - > - maddog@rippers.com wrote: > - > --So if it all works as planned, would it be possible to buy the needed > --materials to build a time machine, then go back in time and NOT spend > --the money, would I still be able to return to the present with money > --in hand and STILL have my time machine? > - > - Its even better than that. Just promise yourself that if your time > - machine works you'll send it back to one hour after you had the flash > - of brilliance which led to the successfull time machine. Now you can > - test your time machine ideas without spending any money at all, or > - wasting all that time with construction and testing! > > Of course, time travel violates the laws of thermodynamics and totally > screws up causality, whence it is impossible! :-) Newtonian thermodynamics, perhaps. But then he never counted on the possibility of alternate universes, did he? Tim "nothing from nothing leaves nothing" Shell --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00024 Date: 02/21/97 From: JEFF BONDONO Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: AMAZING TIME TRAVEL PRODUCTS Reply-to: bondono@eaglequest.com From: "Jeff Bondono" Newsgroups: lt.misc.forteana,alt.conspiracy,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.radica -left,alt.society.revolution,alt.religion.christian,sci.skeptic,s i.med,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.media. Organization: EagleQuest, Inc. Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:49:07 -0500 francisco loaiza wrote: >Jeff Bondono wrote: >- >- maddog@rippers.com wrote: >- >--So if it all works as planned, would it be possible to buy the needed >--materials to build a time machine, then go back in time and NOT spend >--the money, would I still be able to return to the present with money >--in hand and STILL have my time machine? >- >- Its even better than that. Just promise yourself that if your time >- machine works you'll send it back to one hour after you had the flash >- of brilliance which led to the successfull time machine. Now you can >- test your time machine ideas without spending any money at all, or >- wasting all that time with construction and testing! > >Of course, time travel violates the laws of thermodynamics and totally >screws up causality, whence it is impossible! :-) > >(just an opinion) Of course it does, and I'd agree with your assessment of its impossibility, but remember that it doesn't violate anything in nature necessarily, but only our theories and understandings about nature. Jeff Jeff Bondono Detroit, Michigan, USA 83W, 43N bondono@eaglequest.com http://www.eaglequest.com/~bondono author of dObjects astro-database and observing log for Win95 at http://www.eaglequest.com/~bondono/dObjects/dObjects.html --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00025 Date: 02/21/97 From: STEPHEN TONKIN Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Apollo Moon Landings Faked Propogand08:17:0002/21/97 From: "Stephen Tonkin" Newsgroups: lt.misc.forteana,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.canada,soc.cultur .usa,alt.usa-sucks,alt.conspiracy,alt.nuke.the.USA,alt.government abuse,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.media. Organization: Aegis Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:46:43 +0000 A polite request: sci.astro.amateur is dedicated to _observational_ amateur astronomy. Please trim your headers so that you don't crosspost this topic there. Many thanks, Senior Mac Lab wrote: >I think that the landing is a crock of shit. >In article , The Panter >family wrote: > >> In article <32fe654f.25834742@news.demon.co.uk>, Mike Fleming >> wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:36:17 -0600, David Martin Lent >> > wrote: >> > >> > > The Apollo landings were not a fake. I've heard all the BS stories about >> > > how the US flag moved in the wind. THIS DOES NOT PROVE THAT THE LANDINGS >> > > WERE A FAKE. The reason the flag moved is because the flag >> > > was made of THIN ALUMINUM. The solar wind is what moved the flag. If you >> > > do not believe me, take a look at the video from the Hubble Space >> > > Telescope repair mission and watch the solar panels move from the olar >> > > wind. >> > >> > Er, I thought the reason that the flag waved was because there was an >> > electric motor in the flagpole to make it do so... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Mike >> Nope didn't have a motor in the flag pole, the pictures of it waving are from >> when the lunnur lander took off. The landers engines blast just blasted it so >> it waving as it would had it been in the wind. I also noticed that David Lent >> said the flag was made of metal, this ain't true either, I know this because >> when I was in DC I saw a display about the flag in the air & space museum >> which explained that the flag was just a normal cotten one tied to a pole >> which was attached at right angles to the flag pole. The solar wind thing >> is just so much BS, it just isn't strong enough. >> >> -- >> Ewan Remove spoiler from address to send email -- Stephen Tonkin : UK Amateur Telescope Making Pages : http://www.aegis1.demon.co.uk/atm.htm> : (50.9105N 1.829W) --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00026 Date: 02/21/97 From: D.M. DAVENPORT Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel Newsgroups: lt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal. hanneling,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.parenting.solutions,alt parenting.spanking,alt.parents-teens,alt.parents.analretentive.in Organization: - Original Date: 21 Feb 1997 08:00:34 GMT EMP/ECP (SPAM) cancelled by sjkiii@crl.com . See report with Notice-ID of sjkiii.970220235641.17728A in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins for details. Cancelled Subject: ~~~ Solving the Search Dilemma! ~~~ --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00027 Date: 02/21/97 From: J.J.MIAO Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Announcement From: "J.J.Miao" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranormal.forteana,a t.parenting.solutions,alt.parents-teens,alt.party,alt.pave.the.ea th,alt.peace-corps,alt.peeves,alt.periphs.pcmcia,alt.personals,al Organization: DCI HiNet Original Date: 21 Feb 1997 09:52:51 GMT Some one used my E-mail box sending a chain E-mail out. Please be note that I did not put myself on a list on the chain E-mail. Please do not mail me anything. I appreciate your understanding and apology the inconvenience cause to you. Regards J. J. Miao --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00028 Date: 02/21/97 From: MIKEY Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Fwd: Comet Hale-Bopp info Reply-to: mikey@mail.iamerica.net From: "mikey" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.paranet.para ormal,alt.paranormal,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,alt .support.dissociation,alt.prophecies.nostradamus Organization: mikey Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:45:37 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------57E64B7E1C0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit attachment follows: --------------57E64B7E1C0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="comet.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="comet.txt" Hale-Bopp info http://www.artbell.com/art/halebopp.html http://www.halebopp.com/ http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/hale_bopp/hale_bopp_nf.html --------------57E64B7E1C0B-- --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00029 Date: 02/21/97 From: JOHN PAYNE Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Channeling Website - Omnis World Reply-to: jlpayne@box.nl From: "John Payne" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: InterBox, Capelle ad Yssel Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:45:53 GMT Channeling Website. Omnis World contains many channeled articles on various topics. http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/omni.html --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00030 Date: 02/21/97 From: MICHAEL F. BROWN Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: New channeling book From: "Michael F. Brown" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Original Date: 21 Feb 1997 18:33:33 GMT (New book by long-time lurker and occasional contributor to this list) **NOW ARRIVING IN BOOKSTORES** THE CHANNELING ZONE American Spirituality in an Anxious Age Michael F. Brown Harvard University Press March 1997, 256 pp. ISBN 0-674-10882-5 Single World Price: $22.00 / 14.50cloth Few expressions of New Age spirituality evoke greater skepticism and derision than does channeling, the practice of serving as a vessel for the voices of ancient or otherworldly beings. THE CHANNELING ZONE reveals that this controversial practice has deep roots in earlier forms of American spiritualism while manifesting the most current concerns and anxieties of American life at the end of the twentieth century. Basing his analysis on dozens of interviews with practicing channels and extensive participant-observation research in channeling workshops in Santa Fe, Sedona, and the New England states, Michael Brown takes readers into the world of those who find meaning and inspiration in regular conversations with spectral beings. Drawing on his previous research with Amazonian shamans, he brings a historical and comparative perspective to the study of this flamboyant expression of contemporary spirituality. Neither a debunker nor an advocate, Brown weaves together the opinions and life stories of practicing channels and their clients to bring their world and its assumptions into higher relief. He describes the experiences that lead often highly educated, middle-class Americans to conclude that useful information is filtered through the spirit world. He pursues the nature of the quest--the fears, hopes, and expectations of the seekers--and finds its roots in traditional American notions of individualism and self-perfection. THE CHANNELING ZONE is a lively journey into the complex social world of the thousands of Americans who have abandoned mainstream religions in search of direct and improvisational contact with spiritual beings. **FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, POINT YOUR BROWSER TO AND LINK TO "SPRING 1997 TITLES."** Organization: Williams College X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)