--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFM00003 Date: 11/17/97 From: DAVE ALGER Time: 12:09am \/To: TIM EBERLY (Read 0 times) Subj: Looking for input Hi Tim! TE>Would you like to look at these games and give your comments, or uestions? TE>It would help me out a lot if you would. TE>Thanks Okay, here are some quick thoughts: TE>{Annotations by Chessmaster 5000 Auto-Annotator. 10 seconds per move. It would be better to leave Chessmaster out of this! TE>6. e3 TE> {Out of Opening Book. TE> Instead of pinning the Knight I will TE> develop into the e4 square by placing my white TE> squared Bishop on d3.} I think this is a bit slow and I think you've left yourself open to: TE>6...Ne4 TE> {Blocks White's pawn at e3. TE> This move is utterly pointless. It does not aid in development, and TE> it is basically void of any tactical benefits. TE> Had the computer decided to try and hold on to the Knight here, I TE> would have played something like this.} Hmmm... harsh criticism, but I don't think it's pointless at all. Of course capturing is risky, but allowing black to exchange off your c3 knight has taken some of the attacking options out of your position. Also by having to recapture with the b-pawn you have robbed yourself of any meaningful ttack against the problem c-pawn. Those pawns on e3 and c3 look awkward. TE>7. Bd3 TE>7...Nxc3 TE> {Attacks White's queen. TE> The only thing this does is remove one attacker from the e4 square. TE> But since the Knight was attacked more times then it could defend TE> adequately it was basically forced to take thus saving it some TE> tempi, had it retreated.} I still think you have to ask yourself what has this done for my position? The interesting posibility that has opened up is the attack along the semi-open b-file with perhaps an a-pawn advance. 9. Rb1 O-O 10. h3 Nd7 11. O-O Qa5 Why 10.h3 after 9.Rb1 the bishop isn't going anywhere for a while. 11...Qa5 is an ugly move though... nothing much for Black there. 12...Nf6 13. Bd2 Qc7 14. Ng5 g6 15. e4 {This is to give me a bigger plus for my position. It opens the c1-h6 diagonal, the b1-h7 diagonal and the e file. Since I am left with Bishops, instead of Knights, I want to give myself as much room as possible. The attacking potential is increased as my mobility. I wouldn't have been able to this had I needed to defend my position. Thus the Knight move on #6 is definitely an error. } The thing is black can swap the dark-squared bishop off easily, I think 15.e4 is questionable insome regards since it makes weakens the strong pawn centre. Playing for c4 would enable either you to isolate d5 or more likely gain an unopposed centre. 15...Bh2+ {Checks White's king. The computer thinks that if there is a check possible that it should be played. Maybe this is one fault of the programing, or maybe it was programed this way for physchological reasons (trying to throw my concentration).} Another reason is it seems to be the only escape for the Bishop. I haven't had chance to look to closely but after the irrelevant check, what about 15...Bf4!? 16 e5 (16 Bxf4? is obviously out) Bxd2 17 Qxd2 Nh5 (intending Ng7-e6). What have you got then? I'm not convinced about the B-file pressure and the attack on Black's king is insufficient. 18...Bd6 19. f4 Be6 20. f5 18...Bf4 was still on (though not as powerful), now the f-pawn advance justifies White's play. 30. Bh6 Qd6 31. Rf1 Re7 32. Bg5 Awful play by Black here. Surely after 30...Kh7 31 Bd2 f5 when Black is strong on the white squares and black squares White is in trouble. After this though I thought you cleaned up well! A very nice win indeed, although I think you were a little harsh on your poor computer. It's moves weren't great, but it had a defensible (and perhaps chances of a better position until it lost its silicon head)position until close to the end. Regards, Dave --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.30 * Origin: Ooh! BBS, London. (5-Lines) 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFN00000 Date: 11/16/97 From: MARTIN HEINEKE Time: 02:35pm \/To: KEN BLAKE (Read 0 times) Subj: Anyone for a game or two Hi we were having a game a while back but I got no reply after my last move so heres my moves again KB>> Game 1 KB>> MH vs KB KB>> 1. e4 c5 KB>> 2. Bc4 e6 KB>> 3. Nc3 Nc6 MH> 4. a3 KB>> Game 2 KB>> KB vs MH KB>> 1. e4 e5 KB>> 2. f4 d6 KB>> 3. Nf3 MH> e5xf4 --- THOR 2.3 (Amiga;FIDO) *UNREGISTERED* * Origin: * Origin Vanishing Point (3:772/235.7) (3:772/235.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFP00000 Date: 11/18/97 From: JIM COLEMAN Time: 11:31pm \/To: DAVE ALGER (Read 0 times) Subj: Discusion Anyone? Can you post a game where you opened with b4, as I don't recall having any experience with it either as black or white. I'll post (assuming I can find it) the last time I opened with e3, which was probably 250 or so games ago. Just for the record, I open with e4 as white approximately 95% of the time. BTW the "oddest" opening I've faced as black was what my opponent called the "8 pawn attack" in which he started with a3, then b3, c3. etc. As I reacll, this game was a draw. He used it vs. 5 or so of my fellow chess club members, and did quite well. Is such an off the wall reportoire sound? Obviously not BUT vs. book players, well there's simply no theory so, you never know... --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Merr.ValleyUsersGroupBBS,No.Andover,Ma.(508)682-6263 (1:324/117) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFP00001 Date: 11/19/97 From: HARALD WILHELMS Time: 12:00am \/To: MARTIN HEINEKE (Read 0 times) Subj: NO !!, was: Anyone for a game or two moin, Martin, >Hi we were having a game a while back but I got no reply after my last move >so heres my moves again well, Martin, interesting to read things like that from you..... I've been waiting for your moves (in 2 games) since May now (and don't tell me, it was Fido's fault - I've repeated my message four times) > * Origin: * Origin Vanishing Point (3:772/235.7) (3:772/235.7) vanishing: that's just it salve, capillus antiquus De Dvel schiet jmmers op de grttsten Hupn --- [harald_wilhelms@funclub.antar.com] * Origin: voice +494101473820 fax +494101473822 (2:240/5460.38) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFS00000 Date: 11/17/97 From: JOE SEATTER Time: 11:33pm \/To: MATT SWITZER (Read 0 times) Subj: Chess! -=> Quoting Matt Switzer to All <=- MS> I'm up for a friendly game o' chess! MS> Please let me know how you'd like to do it, through here, or MS> e-mail. Sure... through here's fine, I'll take black... ... Exercise your right to arm and keep bears! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Myles' Games Extraviganza (1:163/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFS00001 Date: 11/22/97 From: MATTHEW MCNABB Time: 09:59am \/To: JIM COLEMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Discusion Anyone? >BTW the "oddest" opening I've faced as black was what my opponent called the >"8 pawn attack" in which he started with a3, then b3, c3. etc. >As I reacll, this game was a draw. The counter a5, b5, c5, ... looks inviting :-) --- ViaMAIL!/SL v1.30 * Origin: Global Village BBS * 64-3-358-5720 (3:770/160) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFS00002 Date: 11/21/97 From: PETER PICHLBAUER Time: 06:48am \/To: MICHAEL RUMPF (Read 0 times) Subj: FIDO FALLS '96 TOURNEY -=> Quoting Michael Rumpf to Peter Pichlbauer <=- Moin Michael, Michael Rumpf I Peter Pichlbauer --------------+----------------- 01. Ng1-f3 I d7-d5 02. c2-c4 I c7-c6 03. d2-d4 I Ng8-f6 04. Nb1-c3 I d5xc4 05. a2-a4 I Bc8-e6 06. e2-e4 I g7-g6 07. Nf3-e5 I Nb8-d7 08. Ne5xc4 I Bf8-g7 09. Bf1-e2 I 0-0 10. 0-0 I Qd8-c7 11. Bc1-e3 I Rf8-d8 12. h2-h3 I Be6xc4 13. Be2xc4 I c6-c5 14. Qd1-b3 I e7-e6 15. e4-e5 I Nf6-h5 16. Nc3-b5 I Qc7-b6 17. a4-a5 I Qb6-c6 18. d4-d5 I e6xd5 19. Bc4xd5 I c5-c4 20. Bd5xc6 I c4xb3 21. Bc6xb7 I Ra8-b8 22. a5-a6 I Rd8-e8 23. Be3xa7 I Rb8-d8 24. Ba7-e3 I Re8xe5 25. Nb5-c3 I Re5xe3 26. f2xe3 I Nd7-c5 27. Rf1-d1 I Rd8-f8 28. a6-a7 I Bg7xc3 29. b2xc3 I Nc5xb7 30. a7-a8Q I Rf8xa8 31. Ra1xa8+ I Kg8-g7 32. Ra8-b8 I Nb7-c5 33. Rb8-b5 I Nc5-e4 34. Rb5xb3 I Nh5-g3 35. Rb3-b7 I Ng3-e2 36. Kg1-h2 I Ne2xc3 37. Rd1-d7 I g6-g5 38. Rd7xf7+ I Kg7-g6 39. Rf7xh7 I Nc3-d5 40. g2-g4 I Ne4-c5 Gruss, __ /-'eter. --- * Origin: (Logicians do it) or [not (logicians do it)]. (2:240/5855.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFT00000 Date: 11/22/97 From: DAVE ALGER Time: 09:32pm \/To: JIM COLEMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Discusion Anyone? Hi Jim, < JIM COLEMAN said in a message to DAVE ALGER > JC> Can you post a game where you opened with b4, as I don't recall having JC> any experience with it either as black or white. I've never actually played 1.b4 (the Sokolsky or Orangutan opening :)). I play 1.b3 now and again. This is the Nimzowitsch-Larsen attack, it's not so unusual. However if you wish I'd be happy to post a few of my games, although they tend to be dull positional games. I used it as the basis for (or perhaps in place of) a white repertoire when I on my first (and so far only) Minor Tournament. I found however that it was not quite sufficient against the stronger players... JC> I'll post (assuming I can find it) the last time I opened with e3, JC> which was probably 250 or so games ago. I'd be interested to see it. JC> Just for the record, I open with e4 as white approximately 95% of the JC> time. Well, I can't argue with that then :) JC> BTW the "oddest" opening I've faced as black was what my opponent JC> called the "8 pawn attack" in which he started with a3, then b3, c3. JC> etc. My God! That must be have been interesting! For the record the most bizarre opening I've ever seen is my friend's 'Bloomfield's Defence' which in reply to any white opening move Black replies 1...Nc6 and any second move 2...Nb8 and if possible 3...Nc6 and 4...Nb8 (although 3...Nf6 4...Ng8 can transpose ;). I actually once used the 'Semi-Bloomfield' in a Blitz game where I only made the first three moves and then carried on 'as normal'. I won too, I think my opponent looked baffled throughout the game :) JC> Is such an off the wall reportoire sound? Obviously not BUT vs. book JC> players, well there's simply no theory so, you never know... I agree, you have to play both 'the man' and 'the board' so there's nothing wrong with playing a little bizarre chess. I mean even 1.e3 isn't so bizarre... you could play a reverse French Defence and that can't be bad :) However it's only of limited practical value... after all after you play 'off the wall' a few times it becomes book! (albeit with a few '?!'s in the lines) :) Dave --- UNREGISTERED CyberQWK v1.0 (c)95-97 Stryder Soft. Dev. * Origin: Ooh! BBS, London. (5-Lines) 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: EFT00001 Date: 11/23/97 From: KEN BLAKE Time: 11:13am \/To: MARTIN HEINEKE (Read 0 times) Subj: Anyone for a game or two On 11-16-97 14:35, MARTIN HEINEKE wrote MH>Hi we were having a game a while back but I got no reply after my last MH>so heres my moves again This must have been so long ago that I've lost track of it entirely. I'd just as soon not bothr continuing, thanks. KB>> Game 1 KB>> MH vs KB KB>> 1. e4 c5 KB>> 2. Bc4 e6 KB>> 3. Nc3 Nc6 MH> 4. a3 KB>> Game 2 KB>> KB vs MH KB>> 1. e4 e5 KB>> 2. f4 d6 KB>> 3. Nf3 MH> e5xf4 MH>--- THOR 2.3 (Amiga;FIDO) *UNREGISTERED* MH> * Origin: * Origin Vanishing Point (3:772/235.7) (3:772/235.7) - - Ken Blake kblake@primenet.com - --- * WR 1.31 # 119 * You are in a maze of twisty little programs, all alike. * Origin: The Tucson Computer Society BBS (1:300/2)