--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00034 Date: 02/22/97 From: MIKEY Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Discarnate Spirits Do Exist (repost) Reply-to: mikey@mail.iamerica.net From: "mikey" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.paranet.para ormal,alt.paranormal,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,alt .support.dissociation,alt.prophecies.nostradamus Organization: mikey Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:24:01 -0600 No religious reference or terms, but spoilered as to warn those that might need to be warned of possible triggers. Forwarded out of another newsgroup 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 R Ro wrote: That is because those cultures have a realistic view of discarnate spirits. In particular, the Hawaiian culture is very familiar with what we are really dealing with. Here are a few quotes from a book about Huna: Extracts from, "The Secret Science Behind Miracles", by Max Freedom Long (1948). p 269 There are horrid things which belong in the realm of darkness, but which we are powerless to combat because we have become too civilized to realize that they are there. Doctors know nothing of them. Priests and ministers have such a garbled idea of devils that their advice is useless. Spiritualism knows only enough to be afraid, and to warn dabblers to be careful. p 275 These low selves may be fairly harmless, and seem to be for the most part. On the other hand they are the horrid and darkly evil beings who stalk the living and prey on them, stealing their vital force, often to the point of complete exhaustion and mysterious death, or of seizing their bodies and rendering them obsessionally insane. Thousands of the living are silently and invisibly haunted in this way, by low selves who appear as secondary or multiple personalities. They are not "split off" parts of the resident selves of a body, as is the popular belief today of our psychologists. They are individuals in their own right. Not only do the low selves, separated from their middle selves, fasten themselves on the living as foreign "presonalities," but middle selves separated from their low selves do the same to a lesser degree, and now and again a normal ghostly spirit composed of both low and middle selves is guilty of taking up its abode in the shadowy body of a living victim. It is not for nothing that the living have an instinctive fear of ghosts.... ____________________ Science likes to think that is is the truth, but in reality, it is the new mythology, the world over. Mikey MPD page: http://cust.iamerica.net/mcab/imc.htm --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00035 Date: 02/22/97 From: EHKUHALL7@DELPHI.COM Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Channeling - is it legit or bogus? From: ehkuhall7@delphi.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 15:58:04 -0500 Dear Blue and Gale, I think the answers you get when you channel depend upon the questions you ask (or have someone else ask depending on your method). I usually let my spirits run with the ball more or less and tell me whatever is on their minds. Sometimes I ask them to comfort me. Sometimes I ask an outright question. Most of the spirits I work with were alive on this world one hundred or fewer years ago. A few have had incredibly rough lives, and I have heard some harrowing tales. The most articulate spirit I have ever talked to is a fourteen year old (she was thirteen when she died but she considers herself fourteen now so who am I to argue.) named Sandra Lowenstein. Sandra talks about loss, recovery, and moving on. Her speech is wonderful and frank and easy to understand. She does better in some ways than a lot of the adults I work with. My guess is that saying that you are a Sirian, Plaedian, higher intelligence etc... isn't worth all that much until you deliver the goods. Also you are far more appreciative of teh quality of those goods, if you are willing sometimes to just sit back and listen. Eileen H. Kramer ehkuhall7@delphi.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00036 Date: 02/22/97 From: GOOD FRIEND Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <330d4c87.23075904@news.uokn08:17:0002/22/97 From: "Good Friend" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranormal.spells.hex es.magic,alt.parenting.solutions,alt.parenting.spanking Original Date: 22 Feb 1997 02:41:35 GMT be vewy vewy quiet, we're hunting spam --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00037 Date: 02/22/97 From: EHKUHALL7@DELPHI.COM Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: death of a newsgroup From: ehkuhall7@delphi.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 16:10:18 -0500 Dear Alexander and Brenda, Oh....you're so right!!! This news group is an even bigger trash pit than I remember it being and that is not saying much. I agree that the crap drives most of the honest channelers out. Yes, I channel mostly for myself. I have one painfully shy spirit partner who does not want me to write about him, though I am trying to convince him to let me put his words publicly to paper. I have over a thousand pages of channeled logs, residing on floppy disks. The other members of my spirit crew are a bit more mellow. I would be scaird to channel professionally. I am not sure if the spirits I work with want to get into the advice business. My shy spirit partner who was quite a major character on a number of academic mailing lists, used to say that ever list, newsgroup, etc... needed an instigator or stimultor to keep the good stuff going. I think this group needs a moderator but we're not going to get one over night, so I'll take a shot at the instigator role. Here are three questions to get the ball rolling. 1) Who or what do you channel? I thought everybody channeled dead folks but that does not seem to be the case at all. In fact I have learned that I am the exception rather than the rule. 2) What is the funniest thing that your entities have ever told you? 3) What is the scariest experience you have ever had while channeling? Alright, that should get the conversation back on an even keel. I'll be back in a few days to see if good stuff can co-exist with all the trash. Git' yer Shovels! Eileen H. Kramer ehkuhall7@delphi.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00038 Date: 02/22/97 From: BITBUCKET@NEWS.MSFC.NASA. Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <19970119114700.GAA21993@lad08:17:0002/22/97 Reply-to: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling,control Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 20:35:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 12:20:00 +0100 Original Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 13:03:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:34:00 +0100 Original Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 21:43:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 05:06:00 +0100 Original Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 14:28:00 +0100 Original Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 09:33:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 20:41:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 15:55:30 +0100 Original Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 08:57:21 +0100 Original Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:47:48 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. 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Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <32E79C7A.3FA8@pc.jaring.my>08:17:0002/22/97 Reply-to: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling,control Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 20:35:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 12:20:00 +0100 Original Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 13:03:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:34:00 +0100 Original Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 21:43:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 05:06:00 +0100 Original Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 14:28:00 +0100 Original Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 09:33:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 20:41:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 15:55:28 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:30:42 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. 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Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <5c3tpd$9pb$263@arl-news-svc08:17:0002/22/97 Reply-to: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling,control Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 20:35:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 12:20:00 +0100 Original Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 13:03:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:34:00 +0100 Original Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 21:43:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 05:06:00 +0100 Original Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 14:28:00 +0100 Original Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 09:33:00 +0100 Original Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 20:42:00 +0100 Original Date: Sat, 25 Jan 97 08:56:52 +0100 Original Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 00:20:13 +0100 Original Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:45:13 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. 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Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <32D49D68.7F2A@flash.net> no08:17:0002/22/97 Reply-to: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling,control Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 20:35:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 12:20:00 +0100 Original Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 13:03:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:34:00 +0100 Original Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 21:43:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 05:06:00 +0100 Original Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 14:28:00 +0100 Original Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 09:33:00 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 20:41:00 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 15:55:30 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 22:16:49 +0100 Original Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 08:53:37 +0100 Original Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 16:27:44 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 14:51:58 +0100 Original Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:43:48 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm J. Porter Clark, d/b/a The Unknown News Administrator --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00043 Date: 02/22/97 From: MICHAEL KRUMPER Time: 05:41am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Channeling Reply-to: "Michael Krumper" From: "Michael Krumper" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Original Date: 22 Feb 1997 08:05:47 GMT I do not channel, but I have a close friend who does. I am often there during the channeling and am an active participant in the process. I think of channeling as communication between we who are physical beings and other people who are non-physical beings. To me "life" refers to the temporary physical manifestation of one's own unique immortal spirit or essense. "Death" refers to the state of decay of the physical body after the immortal "soul" leaves the body "and returns home" to the non-physical state it was in prior to merging with the physical body prior to its birth. What the person doing the channeling is doing is making available his/her apparatus (e.g. voice or fingers typing) to a non-physical being to facilitate that beings' communication with we who are physical. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)