--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00024 Date: 02/21/97 From: JEFF BONDONO Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: AMAZING TIME TRAVEL PRODUCTS Reply-to: bondono@eaglequest.com From: "Jeff Bondono" Newsgroups: lt.misc.forteana,alt.conspiracy,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.radica -left,alt.society.revolution,alt.religion.christian,sci.skeptic,s i.med,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.media. Organization: EagleQuest, Inc. Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:49:07 -0500 francisco loaiza wrote: >Jeff Bondono wrote: >- >- maddog@rippers.com wrote: >- >--So if it all works as planned, would it be possible to buy the needed >--materials to build a time machine, then go back in time and NOT spend >--the money, would I still be able to return to the present with money >--in hand and STILL have my time machine? >- >- Its even better than that. Just promise yourself that if your time >- machine works you'll send it back to one hour after you had the flash >- of brilliance which led to the successfull time machine. Now you can >- test your time machine ideas without spending any money at all, or >- wasting all that time with construction and testing! > >Of course, time travel violates the laws of thermodynamics and totally >screws up causality, whence it is impossible! :-) > >(just an opinion) Of course it does, and I'd agree with your assessment of its impossibility, but remember that it doesn't violate anything in nature necessarily, but only our theories and understandings about nature. Jeff Jeff Bondono Detroit, Michigan, USA 83W, 43N bondono@eaglequest.com http://www.eaglequest.com/~bondono author of dObjects astro-database and observing log for Win95 at http://www.eaglequest.com/~bondono/dObjects/dObjects.html --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00025 Date: 02/21/97 From: STEPHEN TONKIN Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Apollo Moon Landings Faked Propogand08:17:0002/21/97 From: "Stephen Tonkin" Newsgroups: lt.misc.forteana,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.canada,soc.cultur .usa,alt.usa-sucks,alt.conspiracy,alt.nuke.the.USA,alt.government abuse,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.media. Organization: Aegis Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:46:43 +0000 A polite request: sci.astro.amateur is dedicated to _observational_ amateur astronomy. Please trim your headers so that you don't crosspost this topic there. Many thanks, Senior Mac Lab wrote: >I think that the landing is a crock of shit. >In article , The Panter >family wrote: > >> In article <32fe654f.25834742@news.demon.co.uk>, Mike Fleming >> wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:36:17 -0600, David Martin Lent >> > wrote: >> > >> > > The Apollo landings were not a fake. I've heard all the BS stories about >> > > how the US flag moved in the wind. THIS DOES NOT PROVE THAT THE LANDINGS >> > > WERE A FAKE. The reason the flag moved is because the flag >> > > was made of THIN ALUMINUM. The solar wind is what moved the flag. If you >> > > do not believe me, take a look at the video from the Hubble Space >> > > Telescope repair mission and watch the solar panels move from the olar >> > > wind. >> > >> > Er, I thought the reason that the flag waved was because there was an >> > electric motor in the flagpole to make it do so... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Mike >> Nope didn't have a motor in the flag pole, the pictures of it waving are from >> when the lunnur lander took off. The landers engines blast just blasted it so >> it waving as it would had it been in the wind. I also noticed that David Lent >> said the flag was made of metal, this ain't true either, I know this because >> when I was in DC I saw a display about the flag in the air & space museum >> which explained that the flag was just a normal cotten one tied to a pole >> which was attached at right angles to the flag pole. The solar wind thing >> is just so much BS, it just isn't strong enough. >> >> -- >> Ewan Remove spoiler from address to send email -- Stephen Tonkin : UK Amateur Telescope Making Pages : http://www.aegis1.demon.co.uk/atm.htm> : (50.9105N 1.829W) --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00026 Date: 02/21/97 From: D.M. DAVENPORT Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel Newsgroups: lt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal. hanneling,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.parenting.solutions,alt parenting.spanking,alt.parents-teens,alt.parents.analretentive.in Organization: - Original Date: 21 Feb 1997 08:00:34 GMT EMP/ECP (SPAM) cancelled by sjkiii@crl.com . See report with Notice-ID of sjkiii.970220235641.17728A in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins for details. Cancelled Subject: ~~~ Solving the Search Dilemma! ~~~ --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00027 Date: 02/21/97 From: J.J.MIAO Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Announcement From: "J.J.Miao" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranormal.forteana,a t.parenting.solutions,alt.parents-teens,alt.party,alt.pave.the.ea th,alt.peace-corps,alt.peeves,alt.periphs.pcmcia,alt.personals,al Organization: DCI HiNet Original Date: 21 Feb 1997 09:52:51 GMT Some one used my E-mail box sending a chain E-mail out. Please be note that I did not put myself on a list on the chain E-mail. Please do not mail me anything. I appreciate your understanding and apology the inconvenience cause to you. Regards J. J. Miao --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00028 Date: 02/21/97 From: MIKEY Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Fwd: Comet Hale-Bopp info Reply-to: mikey@mail.iamerica.net From: "mikey" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.paranet.para ormal,alt.paranormal,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,alt .support.dissociation,alt.prophecies.nostradamus Organization: mikey Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:45:37 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------57E64B7E1C0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit attachment follows: --------------57E64B7E1C0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="comet.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="comet.txt" Hale-Bopp info http://www.artbell.com/art/halebopp.html http://www.halebopp.com/ http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/hale_bopp/hale_bopp_nf.html --------------57E64B7E1C0B-- --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00029 Date: 02/21/97 From: JOHN PAYNE Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Channeling Website - Omnis World Reply-to: jlpayne@box.nl From: "John Payne" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: InterBox, Capelle ad Yssel Original Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:45:53 GMT Channeling Website. Omnis World contains many channeled articles on various topics. http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/omni.html --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00030 Date: 02/21/97 From: MICHAEL F. BROWN Time: 03:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: New channeling book From: "Michael F. Brown" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Original Date: 21 Feb 1997 18:33:33 GMT (New book by long-time lurker and occasional contributor to this list) **NOW ARRIVING IN BOOKSTORES** THE CHANNELING ZONE American Spirituality in an Anxious Age Michael F. Brown Harvard University Press March 1997, 256 pp. ISBN 0-674-10882-5 Single World Price: $22.00 / 14.50cloth Few expressions of New Age spirituality evoke greater skepticism and derision than does channeling, the practice of serving as a vessel for the voices of ancient or otherworldly beings. THE CHANNELING ZONE reveals that this controversial practice has deep roots in earlier forms of American spiritualism while manifesting the most current concerns and anxieties of American life at the end of the twentieth century. Basing his analysis on dozens of interviews with practicing channels and extensive participant-observation research in channeling workshops in Santa Fe, Sedona, and the New England states, Michael Brown takes readers into the world of those who find meaning and inspiration in regular conversations with spectral beings. Drawing on his previous research with Amazonian shamans, he brings a historical and comparative perspective to the study of this flamboyant expression of contemporary spirituality. Neither a debunker nor an advocate, Brown weaves together the opinions and life stories of practicing channels and their clients to bring their world and its assumptions into higher relief. He describes the experiences that lead often highly educated, middle-class Americans to conclude that useful information is filtered through the spirit world. He pursues the nature of the quest--the fears, hopes, and expectations of the seekers--and finds its roots in traditional American notions of individualism and self-perfection. THE CHANNELING ZONE is a lively journey into the complex social world of the thousands of Americans who have abandoned mainstream religions in search of direct and improvisational contact with spiritual beings. **FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, POINT YOUR BROWSER TO AND LINK TO "SPRING 1997 TITLES."** Organization: Williams College X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00031 Date: 02/22/97 From: BRENDA MCANALLY Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: death of a newsgroup Reply-to: sparoatl@mindspring From: "Brenda McAnally" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:20:40 +0000 brenda wrote: > > In spite of all the bickering and off topic postings, I'm still here. I > keep reading and will keep posting in hopes that out there are those > like me who have a real interest in channeling. > Cheers > Brenda > > Today was my first visit to this newsgroup and I was really confused after reading the first 200 or so postings. Thanks for reassuring me that this group is actually supposed to discuss channeling. I have a question. A couple of weeks ago after meditating I asked to speak to the highest possible source for my and universe's highest good. It was my first time trying this and after a few minutes I started picking up thoughts and ideas. The funny thing was, most of them were in French (which I haven't spoken since college, 15 years ago)! When I asked, "Why French?", the answer given (in French) was, "easier to tap into your mind, for now" Has this happened to anyone else? Also, I'm still unsure if I was really channeling or just talking with my higher self. Any thoughts? Brenda McAnally --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00032 Date: 02/22/97 From: THE CELTICLADY (CLAUDIA B Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: An Adventure Reply-to: bartoli@infolynk.com From: "The CelticLady (Claudia Bartoli)" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: The Virtual Dolphin http://members.tripod.com/~Dolphyn/VirtualDolphin.html Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:34:30 -0800 Hello, I wish to welcome all of you to my site: Psychic Web International - In the Celtic Tradition http://www.infolynk.com/psychicweb Don't forget to please sign the guestbook...and if you want some great Celtic Links, go to: http://www.infolynk.com/psychicweb/links.htm Slan Leat Your dolphin sister, Claudia aka The CelticLady -- ********************************************************************* "Diviner than the Dolphin is nothing yet created,for indeed they were aforetime men & lived in cities along with mortals. They exchanged the land for the sea & put on the form of fishes. But, even now, the righteous of spirit of men in them preserves human thought & human deeds." Oppian of Silica, Greek Poet 200 AD --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2T00033 Date: 02/22/97 From: BRUCE DANIEL KETTLER Time: 08:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Channeling - is it legit or bogus? Reply-to: dan@psicounsel.com From: "Bruce Daniel Kettler" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal.channeling,talk.r eligion.newage Organization: Psi Counsel, Inc. Original Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:48:27 -0700 Cluster User wrote: > > In article <01bc1f88$66ada2c0$e1d992cf@default>, "Ronald Bobo" > wrote: > > > Barry Williams wrote in article > > <330b454d.920048@tso.cin.ix.net>... > > Norman Head [I think I've met his brother Richard] wrote: Cluster User wrote: Perhaps this doesn't apply to you, but I just thought of it: Sometimes skeptics seem like people, who in their first handful of dirt don't find a diamond, and then, for whatever reason, decide to start throwing dirt at anybody still looking. and, I BDK, reply: And, I agree that the SETH books are quite profound. I've read them going on 2 decades now. I feel that my life is better because of my reading, study, and discussion in real life SETH DISCUSSION GROUPS. Your analogy about the sand is quite good, though spontaneously brought up. I'm still skeptical, myself, about channellers. I went to see LAZARIS once, and upon leaving I had concluded it was a good show, and likened it to THE WIZARD OF OZ, which though useful, was still just an ordinary man behind some curtain. Funny, though, I had a close friend at that time who BELIEVED Lazaris was a channelled entity, and I never argued with him over it. I thought, well, the material is mostly valuable, and seldom harmful, so why make an issue about it? I just discussed the material with him and didn't bother with what I believed was the fakery of the delivery. The CULTISTS, the so-called "skeptics," however, are a different breed, so they will fanantically condemn and attempt to expose everything, like that of CRUSADERS in a holy cause weeding out the HERITICS of so-called "true" science. People who are harming others, like the charlatan that bilks money from people to, supposedly, get rid of curses, should be exposed and arrested. This other witch hunting that fanatics are up to is like asking to pull Santa Clause's beard off to expose the face of some well-meaning harmless pretender. Sooner or later the kid will grow up, so leave the matter alone, I say. There are many grown-up kids in the world who want to believe in the WIZARD OF OZ. I find paranormal phenomena is real, and the metaphysics of SETH is quite real to me, including reincarnation. In my skepticism, I do not *KNOW* Seth is a channelled entity from outside of physical existence, but of all those "channelled" I'd say he's one of the most likely to actually be such. -- Perception -- http://www.psicounsel.com - Opening -- -- then select - Doors Creation-- -- Scientific Study of Psychic Phenomena - That -- -- ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| - Lead Reality -- -- Psi Counsel, Inc. - Home *DOWNLOAD* "Development of Mental Energy." from SSOPP at *COMP PROG* above WWW SITE. 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