--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400034 Date: 01/29/97 From: FREE XXX PICS Time: 08:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: ((( best links http://www.info-guide.co20:42:0001/29/97 Reply-to: surfboy@ns.sympatico.ca From: "free xxx pics" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: mdc Original Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:15:36 GMT --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400035 Date: 01/30/97 From: CLINKER@IX.NETCOM.COM Time: 01:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Paranormal manifestations-explained From: clinker@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: lt.prophecies.nostradamus,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.ufo.repor s,maus.talk.ufos,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitor s,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.metaphysics Organization: Netcom Original Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:35:28 GMT On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:41:21 GMT, DivineHammer@pipeline.com wrote: >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:51:11 -0600, one@inetport.com wrote: > >> > >404 for me, did anyone manage to get here? > >DH Yes........don't waste your time. The only difference between a brownnoser and a shithead is depth perception. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400036 Date: 01/30/97 From: CLEWIS@FERRET.OCUNIX.ON.C Time: 01:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <5cmiu7$s25$25@news1.sympati13:16:0001/30/97 From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Original Date: 29 Jan 1997 10:47:47 EST EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19970129.04 for further details --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400037 Date: 01/30/97 From: NGWINGS Time: 01:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Castaneda Website From: "NgWings" Newsgroups: lt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace.rebels,alt.religion.kibology,alt.para normal.channeling Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Original Date: 29 Jan 1997 17:04:06 -0000 Michael williams wrote: > Yes he did transfix generations. I do not know of any anthropologists > anywhere in the world that believe Castanedas work is not fiction. It is > a hodge podge of religions and theories. Don Juan never existed > unfortunately. The most I have got from anthropologists are some linguistic and ethnographic studies of don Juan's authenticity. But Castaneda has stated many times including the first book that don Juan can't be placed conveniently in any specific cultural milieu. From a Castaneda interview: Q: Earlier you mentioned that don Juan deliberately made his teaching dramatic. Your writings reflect that. Much anthropological writing gives the impression of striving for dullness, as if banality were a mark of truth. To have made my astonishing adventures with don Juan boring would have been to lie. It has taken me many years to appreciate the fact that don Juan is a master of using frustration, digression, and partial disclosure as methods of instruction. He strategically blended revelation and concealment in the oddest combinations. It was his style to assert that ordinary and nonordinary reality arent separate, but instead are encompassed in a larger circleand then to reverse himself the next day by insisting that the line between different realities must be respected at all costs. I asked him why this must be so. He answered, Because nothing is more important to you than keeping your personal world intact. He was right. That was my top priority in the early days of the apprenticeship. Eventually I sawI sawthat the path of the heart requires a full gesture, a degree of abandon that can be terrifying. Only then is it possible to achieve a sparkling metamorphosis. I also realized the extent to which the teachings of don Juan could and would be dismissed as mere allegory by certain specialists whose sacramental mission is to reinforce the limits that culture and language place on perception. This approaches the question of who gets to define correct cultural description. Nowadays some of Margaret Meads critics declare she was wrong about Samoa. But why not say, less dogmatically, that her writings present a partial picture based on a unique encounter with an exotic culture? Obviously her discoveries mirrored the concerns of her time, including her own biases. Who has the authority to cordon off art from science? The assumption that art, magic, and science cant exist in the same space at the same time is an obsolete remnant of Aristotelian philosophical categories. Weve got to get beyond this kind of nostalgia in the social science of the twenty-first century. Even the term ethnography is too monolithic, because it implies that writing about other cultures is an activity specific to anthropology, whereas in fact ethnography cuts across various disciplines and genres. Furthermore, even the ethnographer isnt monolithiche or she must be reflexive and multifaceted, just like the cultural phenomena that are encountered as other. Q: So the observer, the observed phenomenon, and the process of observation form an inseparable totality. From that perspective, reality isnt simply received, its actively captured and rendered in different ways by different observers with different ways of seeing. Just so. What sorcery comes down to is the act of embodying some specialized theoretical and practical premises about the nature of perception in molding the universe around us. It took me a long time to understand, intuitively, that there were three Castanedas: one who observed don Juan, the man and teacher; another who was the active subject of don Juans trainingthe apprentice; and still another who chronicled the adventures. Three is a metaphor to describe the sensation of endlessly changing boundaries. Likewise, don Juan himself was constantly shifting positions. Together we were traversing the crack between the natural world of everyday life and an unseen world, which don Juan called the second attention, a term he preferred to supernatural. Q: What youre describing isnt what comes to mind for most anthropologists when they think about their line of work, you know. Oh, Im certain youre right about that! Someone recently asked me, What does mainstream anthropology think of Carlos Castaneda? I dont suppose most of them think about me at all. A few may be a little bit annoyed, but theyre sure that whatever Im doing is not scientific and they dont trouble themselves. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400038 Date: 01/30/97 From: PETER M. Time: 01:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Psychic phenomena From: "Peter M." Newsgroups: alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: - Original Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 23:20:36 GMT In article <5ch78a$580@dagobah.blueriver.net>, psycho@blueriver.net (C.C.) wrote: -On this forum I've heard multiple explanations as to how or why some human -beings seem to be able to use things like clairvoyance,clairaudience,obe's, -mediumship,telepathy,etc.Some think it just isn't possible,just fraudulent -claims to increase popularity and income by fleecing the weakminded out of -their hard earned cash.Some think the psychics honestly think they can do -these things,but in fact really cannot.Next,that all psychic phenomena is -directly related to satan worship or witchcraft of some sort.And lastly,that -psychics are real,but that it is morally wrong to charge a fee for something -that is reportedly a GOD-GIVEN ability.Every psychic describes his or her -ability in different ways,so it's not surprising that the majority of people -who frequent this forum have differing opinions. If someone is freak, then the person hides. If the person and his/her likes hides, then there will be always very different opinions on subject. ...and I, who have thought it was so easy... -Psychic abilities are not evil,un-natural,or unusual.All human beings possess -the plumbing to do any of it.True,the bible says that those who predict the -future are evil,but if you don't attempt to conjure up any unseen forces to -see into the future,and just recieve visions of events yet to come as a -natural part of your existence,are you evil? I think not. The abilities can be used criminally and that's a fact. Psychic abilities are used in criminal way and many religious person have full right to interpretate them from their point of view as EVIL. Can you disagree with me? Aren't I rational now enough or you? -I personally know several psychics.I have watched them do their craft,and I -have yet to see one of them make an attempt to access info via demons.To do so -would be foolish,for every professional reader knows that only the best and -highest source of information is worth the effort required to access it. I know telepaths and I didn't grow up with them. They hideously attacked me after about four years of my presence in Sweden. They're attacking me because they are Swedish and I'm Polish. -Next,a few words about those who repeatedly insist that all telepaths and -psychics are mutants.Well,my friend,takes one to know one.You are just as -capable of reading someone psychically as the most famous psychic on Earth is. -I can dribble a basketball,and I can pass a football with a decent spiral,but -people like Jordan and Aikman just possess the need and natural ability to do -these things well.The same goes for psychics,you can experience any ability -out there,but unless you have a need and the natural gift of easily accessing -it,you tend to ignore it as hogwash.I can't blame you,for it took me almost 25 -years on this this planet to realise that it isn't hogwash. Well, I'm not capable of "THIS" and I'm know it very well, so don't bother even to insinuate things about me. -Once I learned what it is all about,I have found that the psychic ability I -have is a natural and welcomed addition to my otherwise regular physical -senses.One needs only to learn how to open up to what you can really do,then -practice regularly,to take advantage of your own natural gifts. If I was a mutant, then there should be many VERY SORRY, Swedish psychics. -Lastly,even if you don't believe in life after death,you will go on living -after your physical life here has ended.Even if you don't believe in psychic -phenomena,you still use it on a daily basis.By denying this fact,all you are -doing is suppressing your ability to master it. Well, I'm not denying it as I don't believe as a wa of my life. Besides, there must be really something, so I will be able to deny things and stuff. If you think that I'm some sucker from the Scientology Church, then you're VERY DEEPLY wrong! Peter M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sigfrid Siwertz---You shouldn't fight to death a shadow. Kill it with a ight. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400039 Date: 01/30/97 From: SIMON WOODINGTON Time: 01:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: PLEASE HELP ABUSIVE HATEFUL SPIRITS From: "Simon Woodington" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,al t.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body Organization: Trideja Digital Music Original Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:25:38 -0800 Earl Curley wrote: > > Please get off you high horse and your head out of the clouds for a moment > because what was discussed is that there are two sides to every story and > the public has a right to view all sides and decide for themself which > path they should take. > > As to your childish dig about the word "psychic" in my e-mail address, on > my web sites, etc., there are also two approaches to psychism as well. > The points I made above were in no way belittling your opinions but were > simply pointing out to Sam who I believe prefers to take a more logical > approach to psychic abilities, that many of our discussions plus those > that he had with others was shown by your post. You're idea about reading > a book is a great suggestion for you to follow, but do yourself a favor. > Read some of those scientific journals and papers you seem to detest > because you may not be so willing or ready next time to instill ideas into > the heads of people which you know for a fact are not prove. > > Earl Curley psychic@globalserve.net http://www.webdesign.ca/ Dear Earl; There is no such word as psychism :) Trinity c/o Simon -- Simon Woodington ComputerHelp Resources Inc. // Trideja Digital Music http://www.computerhelp.ca // http:///www.trideja.com Synalogue Software Development - "Men do, Women are." --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400040 Date: 01/30/97 From: MARGRET@CATSHOP.COM Time: 01:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Canon P133 Computer at Closeout Price From: margret@catshop.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: THE C0PY CAT SH0P Original Date: 30 Jan 1997 09:59:35 GMT We have the following Pentium Computer for sale. 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