-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400026 Date: 01/28/97 From: OTTO J. MAKELA Time: 06:29pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <5c24gr$14f@news.impulse.net18:29:0001/28/97 Reply-to: "Otto J. Makela" From: news@127.0.0.1 Newsgroups: lt.paranormal.pyramid,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.paranormal. channeling,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranet.skeptic Original Date: 21 Jan 1997 10:07:23 GMT Spam-cancel: "Is it cold outside? Start a fire!" --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400027 Date: 01/28/97 From: ADZE MIXXE Time: 06:29pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: AdZe's Cosmic Site of the Night From: "AdZe MiXXe" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal.channeling,alt.tarot,alt.prophecies.cayce,alt.proph ecies.nostradamus Organization: Astrologer Extraordinaire Original Date: 28 Jan 1997 20:54:57 GMT Cosmic Greetings! Please visit http://www.adze.com/site-of-the-night.html for a new cosmic site every night. Feel free to nominate your favorite. 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From: tomeleven@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Original Date: 28 Jan 1997 23:47:51 GMT In article <32EC46E0.6462@pop.mcn.net>, slypisces@pop.mcn.net writes: >i am, just curious why nobody seems to post to here anymore, i am sure >that there is something that can be said about channeling, or ghosts, or >something=85 You Just need to be patient. Ive been here a couple of years and I noticed that there are CYCLES of postings, from Ghosts, etc. to "Skeptic" flame wars. Dont be upset by a "quiet period" tom --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400030 Date: 01/29/97 From: DIVINEHAMMER@PIPELINE.COM Time: 08:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Paranormal manifestations-explained From: DivineHammer@pipeline.com Newsgroups: lt.prophecies.nostradamus,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.ufo.repor s,maus.talk.ufos,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitor s,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.metaphysics Organization: Netcom Original Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:41:21 GMT On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:51:11 -0600, one@inetport.com wrote: > 404 for me, did anyone manage to get here? DH --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400031 Date: 01/29/97 From: LOU MINATTI Time: 08:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ESP test @ http://www.cris.com/~fire20:42:0001/29/97 Reply-to: "slaroche"@[spamsnip]concentric.net From: "Lou Minatti" <"slaroche"@[spamsnip]concentric.net> Newsgroups: lt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.astrology,alt.tarot,a lt.prophecies.cayce,alt.prophecies.nostradamus, Organization: Commercial emailers read disclaimer below Original Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:10:21 -0800 Firemoth wrote: > > If anyone is interested in taking an ESP test, it would be a great help > to me. Here is the URL: http://www.cris.com/~firemoth/test.htm Here's a better psychic test: http://www.concentric.net/~Slaroche/CHALLEN.HTM This test is the only 100% accurate test of psychic ability. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- My World: http://www.concentric.net/~Slaroche/HOMEPAGE.HTM (By sending me unsolicited commercial email, you agree to the Terms and Conditions as listed here: http://www.concentric.net/~Slaroche/SPAM.HTM) --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400032 Date: 01/29/97 From: MICHAEL WILLIAMS Time: 08:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Castaneda Website Reply-to: austrange@wr.com.au From: "Michael Williams" Newsgroups: lt.dreams.castaneda,alt.consciousness,alt.society.neutopia,alt.jy tish,alt.journalism,alt.cyberspace,alt.consciousness,alt.alien.vi itors,alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace.rebels,alt.religion.kibology,a Organization: Customer of World Reach Internet Access Original Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:59:40 +1100 Michael Simon wrote: >> With his vision of a separate reality, Carlos Castaneda transfixes > generations since the late sixties (over eight millions of sold > books). > Michael williams replied Yes he did transfix generations.I do not know of any anthropologists anywhere in the world that believe Castanedas work is not fiction. It is a hodge podge of religions and theories. Don Juan never existed unfortunately. > > There are accounts from the recent seminars and workshops with Carlos > Castaneda and his cohorts. > > Use the new Communication Service on that website! There you can > communicate with other interested beings on the topic Castaneda, the > witches, dreaming, stalking, Tensegrity and other related things. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: E2400033 Date: 01/29/97 From: NGWINGS Time: 08:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Castaneda Website From: "NgWings" Newsgroups: lt.dreams.castaneda,alt.consciousness,alt.society.neutopia,alt.jy tish,alt.journalism,alt.cyberspace,alt.consciousness,alt.alien.vi itors,alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace.rebels,alt.religion.kibology,a Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Original Date: 29 Jan 1997 08:09:09 -0000 Michael williams wrote: > Yes he did transfix generations. I do not know of any anthropologists > anywhere in the world that believe Castanedas work is not fiction. It is > a hodge podge of religions and theories. Don Juan never existed > unfortunately. The most I have gotten from anthropologists are some linquistic and ethnographic studies of don Juan's authenticity. But Castaneda has stated many times including the first book that don Juan can't be placed conveniently in any specific cultural milieu. From a Castaneda interview: Q: Earlier you mentioned that don Juan deliberately made his teaching dramatic. Your writings reflect that. Much anthropological writing gives the impression of striving for dullness, as if banality were a mark of truth. To have made my astonishing adventures with don Juan boring would have been to lie. It has taken me many years to appreciate the fact that don Juan is a master of using frustration, digression, and partial disclosure as methods of instruction. He strategically blended revelation and concealment in the oddest combinations. It was his style to assert that ordinary and nonordinary reality arent separate, but instead are encompassed in a larger circleand then to reverse himself the next day by insisting that the line between different realities must be respected at all costs. I asked him why this must be so. He answered, Because nothing is more important to you than keeping your personal world intact. He was right. That was my top priority in the early days of the apprenticeship. Eventually I sawI sawthat the path of the heart requires a full gesture, a degree of abandon that can be terrifying. Only then is it possible to achieve a sparkling metamorphosis. I also realized the extent to which the teachings of don Juan could and would be dismissed as mere allegory by certain specialists whose sacramental mission is to reinforce the limits that culture and language place on perception. This approaches the question of who gets to define correct cultural description. Nowadays some of Margaret Meads critics declare she was wrong about Samoa. But why not say, less dogmatically, that her writings present a partial picture based on a unique encounter with an exotic culture? Obviously her discoveries mirrored the concerns of her time, including her own biases. Who has the authority to cordon off art from science? The assumption that art, magic, and science cant exist in the same space at the same time is an obsolete remnant of Aristotelian philosophical categories. Weve got to get beyond this kind of nostalgia in the social science of the twenty-first century. Even the term ethnography is too monolithic, because it implies that writing about other cultures is an activity specific to anthropology, whereas in fact ethnography cuts across various disciplines and genres. Furthermore, even the ethnographer isnt monolithiche or she must be reflexive and multifaceted, just like the cultural phenomena that are encountered as other. Q: So the observer, the observed phenomenon, and the process of observation form an inseparable totality. From that perspective, reality isnt simply received, its actively captured and rendered in different ways by different observers with different ways of seeing. Just so. What sorcery comes down to is the act of embodying some specialized theoretical and practical premises about the nature of perception in molding the universe around us. It took me a long time to understand, intuitively, that there were three Castanedas: one who observed don Juan, the man and teacher; another who was the active subject of don Juans trainingthe apprentice; and still another who chronicled the adventures. Three is a metaphor to describe the sensation of endlessly changing boundaries. Likewise, don Juan himself was constantly shifting positions. Together we were traversing the crack between the natural world of everyday life and an unseen world, which don Juan called the second attention, a term he preferred to supernatural. Q: What youre describing isnt what comes to mind for most anthropologists when they think about their line of work, you know. Oh, Im certain youre right about that! Someone recently asked me, What does mainstream anthropology think of Carlos Castaneda? I dont suppose most of them think about me at all. A few may be a little bit annoyed, but theyre sure that whatever Im doing is not scientific and they dont trouble themselves. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)