--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGN00000 Date: 12/18/96 From: MONICA JESENSKY Time: 02:51am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Bluewave Hello Y'All : I wanted to let you all know that I have found out some disturbing news concerning George Hatchew and the cashing of checks and not sending any keys for the reader. If anyone is interested in this news or wants details then let them read the following quoted message (used with Gary's express Permission) to find that info. Monica, SysOp Eastern Light BBS -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Area: FidoNet Echo: MUFFIN (Maximus Tips'n'Tricks) Date: 28 Nov 96 14:16:12 From: Gary Gilmore To: All Subj: Friendly Warning -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Disclaimer: The following is presented only to inform. You do what you want, and I request no further discussion about this in the echo. Discussion of this topic can/should be continued in the BLUEWAVE echo. For those of you thinking of registering the Blue Wave door, or a Blue Wave reader, please note.... - George Hatchew (BW's author) is not issuing keys lately. - There are numerous reports of checks being cashed, and no key issued. - His support BBS number is disconnected. Since he's also NC/NEC for his net, there's no way to contact him via Fidonet. (I personally contacted the R11C regarding this point) - He is not responding to internet email. In -my- personal experience, I can tell you this: A user desired that I install the BW door for Max. I did. He paid to register it. I mailed the check 4 weeks ago. It's been cashed. I've received NO registration key. I've received NO reply to 8 different netmail messages. I've received NO reply to 8 different internet email messages. I have told George Hatchew (as of last night) that I plan to take him to Small Claims Court in Flint Michigan (USA) in the next couple weeks if I do not receive my registration, or a full refund. (Flint is only an hour away, so I've got no problem doing so.) I feel bad that a user of MY bbs registered this door, and he's getting nothing for it. This is my story, and I hope it helps others from falling into the same pit. Should things change in regards to BlueWave, I will post about it here. Should YOU desire to debate this with me, use netmail ONLY. Should YOU desire to read further about this, turn on the BLUEWAVE echo. Further discussion about this topic will be off-topic here... I'm only bringing it up for your protection. Thanks. --gary / MUFFIN/TUB/MECCA/MAXDEV moderator ! Origin: bloom county bbs * dearborn, mi * (313)582-0888 (1:2410/400) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Eastern Light BBS 860/290-8578 10pm-9am Only (1:142/578) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00000 Date: 12/15/96 From: MODERATOR Time: 11:44pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: RULES - PLEASE READ!! ************************************************************** CHANNELS Conference Rules - Updated June 30, 1994 ************************************************************** NOTE: these rules do NOT apply to alt.paranormal.channeling o This conference is for the discussion of Channels and related topics, including: - The messages that come from channelling - How to channel - What is channelling - Who channels - The entities giving the messages ************************************************************** o The Following are NOT ALLOWED at any time: 1. profane language. 2. Personal attacks against any person or organization 3. Long threads on topics not related to channelling 4. Attempts by anyone other than the moderator to police the echo. Anyone who breaks these rules is subject to having his feed or access to CHANNELS, cut or put on probation. ************************************************************** This conference is carried by MUFONET, SearchNet, and Fidonet. SysOps, please use your fidonet node numbers if you have one ************************************************************** Please allow the moderator to do the moderating No FLAMING is allowed Everyone must be TOLERANT of other people's opinions. ************************************************************** I encourage participants to post their personal knowings, related to the spirit realm, even if they don't consider it channelled. Glenda Stocks (Moderator) --- FileMgr 3103G * Origin: FileMgr -- The Ultimate Fileprocessor (1:330/201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00001 Date: 12/16/96 From: ROBRON Time: 7:21:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: WANTED: Qualified Psychics/Tarot Readers7:21:14912/16/96 Reply-to: robron@mindspring.com From: "RobRon" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Robron Services Original Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:34:14 GMT Do you have psychic gifts? Do you find it difficult to use your gifts alone to support your material needs and wants? Are you tired of working a conventional *J-O-B*? If you answered yes to the above questions, then this may be the opportunity you have been looking for. I represent a company called 'Spirit Connection'. We are one of the largest and (my opinion) most conscientious broker for PRN (Psychic Readers Network). You have undoubtedly seen our ads on TV. You know, the ones with Billy Dee Williams talking about having the best psychics. Since we all still have these 3-D bodies we have to take care of, money is still an essential for life in this dimension. Both Spirit Connection and PRN want to make money, but only by using genuine psychics that have the ability to help others with their *heart-felt* gifts. Both beginning and experienced psychics may apply. This is a legitimate job offer paying $12 to $18 per hour in the convenience of your own home. You set your own hours. If you are still interested, then please e-mail me for more information. I am looking forward to corresponding with you. :-) Sincerely, Robert robron@mindspring.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00002 Date: 12/16/96 From: SUN SPARK -- SEVENTH DIMENSHUN Time: 7:21:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Angels From: "Sun Spark -- Seventh Dimenshun" Newsgroups: lt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.metaphysics, alt.meditation,talk.religion.newage,alt.consciousness Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network) Original Date: 15 Dec 1996 23:29:40 GMT BRETT ROBERTSON (unameit@tctc.com) wrote: : --A revelation about angels. I call it "Hell hath no fury...": There is : nothing worse than an angel with a sense of humor. : rBRETTs%n Angles are really EMOTIONS. And The Angles in The Bible and the KORAN are really THe Songs of EL. They were the ELOHIM the Plural = ELOHEEM. When Eloheem is translated correctly from Armanic to English it really means "Fallen ones" or "These Beings". So what I am saying is that the ANgles in the bible are really EXTRA TERRESTRIALS. Check this out. Tell me what "ALLAH, ELOHIM, and ELOHEEM" Sound like? Alien. Coinciedence? maybe or maybe not. Plus The Christians have Ecclesiastes who encountered the "ant people" and rode through the skies with them from Babylon to Israel. The Bible was written before there were Airplanes...Or did We have Crafts that flew during the days of the BIBLE? Well thats just my 2 cents. Peace RYLO-7 Next Lesson will break down the word VAMPIRE. CHECK OUT THE ALIEN NATION WEBPAGE http://www.geocities.com/area51/4360 And check out the HOLY TABERNACLE ministries link.. very intresting. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00003 Date: 12/16/96 From: MAUREEN & DALE SMITH Time: 7:21:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: esp From: "Maureen & Dale Smith" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Sundance Properties & Air Wave Communications Original Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:46:18 -0800 Do you know of any good esp newsgroups or tests for esp on the net? Thanks. Please email me. Maureen --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00004 Date: 12/16/96 From: JOHN BIGBOOTE Time: 1:08:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: What sort of person are you? Reply-to: legba@earthlink.net From: "John Bigboote" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.science,alt.par net.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channel ng,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.paranormal.pyramid,alt.paranor Organization: Yoyodyne Industries Original Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:53:57 -0800 Ben Mitchell wrote: > > What sort of person are you? > Find out with the new online personality test at: > > http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~fresh/keirsey.htm > > Once you have filled in the test and got the results there are also a umber > of usefull files to read explaining your results and what they mean!! > > Take a look!! > > It's quick, easy, fun and free!!! I always fail those. Either that or the nurse gets a really scared look on her face. Rev. Dok. John Waaaay off the end of the bell-curve. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00005 Date: 12/16/96 From: SKYDMORE Time: 1:08:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Unian (Light Being?) From: "Skydmore" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Original Date: 16 Dec 1996 15:07:11 GMT A friend of mine had a vivid dream that consisted of geometric shapes, 5 stars giving off intense light; then letters forming the name of UNIAN. He told the story of his dream to some psychic and he said that it was a name that referred to a light being named UNIAN, but they provided no more info. If anyone has any info on the subject, kindly e-mail me. skydmore@aol.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00006 Date: 12/17/96 From: BENEDICK HOWARD Time: 12:5:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Sacred Geometry and Vibroacoustics From: "Benedick Howard" Newsgroups: alk.religion.newage,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranormal,alt. aranet.psi,alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.out of-body,alt.metaphysics.lightwork,alt.meditation.transcendental,a Organization: htttp://www.dreamweaving.com Original Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:18:00 -0800 Sound, Light, and Sacred Geometry written by Benedick Howard = An Investigation of the Effects of Vibroacoustics and Sacred Geometry on = the Body, Mind and Spirit Edgar Cayce, the "Sleeping Prophet" claimed that sound would be the = medicine of the future. The vibroacoustic uses of sound in the past decade have brought = many verifiable scientific discoveries of the drug-free possibilities of sound as a = powerful therapeutic tool and healing modality. Sound vibrated deeply through the body is used for = a wide range of applications - from relief of chronic pain to expansion of creativity to = elevating states of consciousness. = Throughout history, the sounds in nature have evoked in man a wide = variety of emotions- the chilling howl of a wolf in the forest, the soothing roar of the = ocean, and the laughter of children playing. Traditional cultures have used drumming as a tool for = sonically altering the body's response to the interconnected physical, mental, emotional, = and spiritual dimensions. Sounds as rhythmic patterns of tones and chords, or music, = throughou history have entrained man's consciousness to our cultures, from the ringing of a = Tibetan bell to the soothing chakra balancing of Pacabel's Canon, to the very empowering = lyrics of Phil Collins. Whatever the period in history, these highly ritualistic co = mpositions have tuned man to his earth - bound culture and its inherent trials and = tribulations, providing a release from the mundane, and insights into other possibilities. The = Shaman shaking his rattle during a heali ng is a good example of the = high-pitched rhythmic patterns used to loosen the associations with = another world, or, contrastingly, the integrative effect of the = peaceful, stress reducing passage from a new age composition during a = massage. = Sound is perceived in two ways: firstly, as an external = source; such as someone talking to you, the TV, or the sound of a = bubbling brook. Secondly; internally from the body organs, and = especially the voice. = The resonance properties of the diaphragm in the chest = cavity bring depth to the voice - the throat, roof of the mouth, tongue and lips = articulate sound. The way we think we perceive sound is through the ear. The way we feel we = perceive sound is thro ugh the whole body. Until recently, most sound therapy was directed = at the perception of sound through the ear. But recent developments in current = medical thought through pioneers such as Deepak Chopra, M.D. are stressing the = integration of the body a s a whole. = In a relaxed state the energies in and around the body flow freely and = smoothly. In stressed situations the energy flow is no longer coherent (smooth and = laminar) and, starting with the emotional and mental bodies, the energy meridians = become blocked. A yurvedic medicine refers to the crystallization around muscle fibers as = muscle armoring. These crystallized patterns are the result of stress within the body, = which in the main correspond to unresolved emotional conditions. Sound is a slower = vibration o f light. There are exactly 44 octaves between middle C at 256 Hz (cycles per = second) and the color of deep red at 4.6 x 10 to the power of 15 Hz. The colors of the = chakras correspondingly have tonal aspects to them. Middle C (color red) corresponds to the root chakra, D (color orange) to the sex chakra and so on up the scale. In harmonious states, our chakras correspond (some of the time) to these equivalents. In non harmonious states these color/tone/chakra rela tionships are less stable. In states of denial and in addictions, the color/tone relationship is lost. This "offness" energetically locks the belief system into sets of denial. The universe then mirrors that set of beliefs to the person until = they choo se to address the denial. = The body may be thought of as being composed of many vibrational patterns = working synergistically as a whole. Thus, long thigh bones have a longer = resonance wavelength than a small bone in the finger. The larger muscle groups and organs have = a deeper resonance than the smaller ones. Similarly, the blood system will have a = lower resonance than the nervous system. Specific pieces of music naturally have the = capacity to resonate these different groups. Thus, a strong rock rhythm with a rhythmic bass = patt ern will vibrate the denser tissues, and in doing so help to loosen the = crystallized patterns that have become entrained there. As these old beliefs are released, the pitch = of that tissue will deepen and acoustically the whole body will vibrate to a lower note. = In a highly stressed individual the body will have a higher pitch, and this in turn = is reflected in their voice patterns and body language. A voice analysis of this person will = display the lack of certain tones. The person may then be treated wi th music or tones = predominantly composed of those tones which are lacking. Music, Geometry and Addictions Addiction is the distortion of the natural flow of desire. In the ebb and = flow in nature there is no distortion or control to the smooth free flow of letting go. When = we allow the flow of creativity; of the idea, the seed thought, the poem, the expr ession; = speaking what we feel when we feel it, coming from our power, expressing our anger, there is no = distortion. When we block the flow in our emotions, when we control the natural = movement of energy in motion, when we hold back on expressing our fr ustration, then the = natural ebb and flow of desire becomes blocked. This distortion leads to addiction through our = denials and our control of desires and the way that the universe mirrors back to us what = we are projecting. Thus the wave from the emotio n, the energy in motion, = becomes particularized. In this case the particular shape, the block, is a cube. = In Sacred Geometry these cubes are used to hold patterns. The North = American Indian use the square in their ceremony to the four directions. The pyramids, = used throughout history, preserve and hold patterns or belief s. The cube grounds and = roots. In our spoken and written language we use these phrases like "I feel blocked in = my stomach" with a precision that represents the way things are at that = chakra. The ebb and flow of the energy coming in and out of this point is no longer smooth = and laminar. We may feel tight in that area. Emotionally something is bothering us, and = the clarity of that issue is deluding us. = In contrast, being present to our issues and the accompanying well-being = geometrically is coherent flow of energy. When we are in this flow we geometrically = magnetize synchronicities that forward our relationship with ourselves and the = universe. These s ynchronicities mirror this information as sequences of colored geometries = - light languages. There are geometric archetypes for each of the personality = types. These can be seen in the aura. Thus an engineer will have a unique sequence, a = musician anoth er, a victim of sexual abuse yet another. = There are resonant relationships in these sequences, between individuals = and all living things; between the planets, sacred sites, even a passage of music, and = our loved ones. In choosing our playmates in life, as in homeopathy, a law of similars applies: we attract people into our lives as archetypal sequences that resonate with us. This resonance will either evolve us or, in states of denial, produce deeper blocks. However, until we address our issues our denials mirror back to us a universe that = controls our belief systems. Thus, addiction is the distortion of the geometries and = frequencies associated with the natural flow. When desire flows freely it is one = level of satisfaction after another - true bliss con sciousness of living in the now, in the = moment, in gratitude and appreciation for all that is. The DreamWeaver As a culmination of twenty years of research I have created a healing = environment called the DreamWeaver. This esoteric marriage of music and sacred geometry = profoundly reprograms the body, mind, spirit = interaction. T he magical combination produces = deep relaxation and disolution of the = blocks in the body, balances the brainwave = patterns, and will produce a deep connection with = spirit.. Your tensions melt, your chakras = align and you move to new levels of awareness. = Below is a description of the = process: = The sound environment combines = music, and sacred geometry. The sum of the = parts is much greater than the individual = components. The vibrotactile response of the = body is extraordinarily powerful -- you = become the wave - physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually. The effect on = the quantum field facilitates a balanced space of greater well being. = The understanding of the effect of sound as a healing modality is = becoming a new science. The high intensity vibrotactile response of the body in a musical unified = energy field environment is effective release from many conditions. Music is a = powerful medium to assist the healing of the physical, mental and emotional bodies. This is = always a profound experience as the wave/particle relationship of sound and the geometry of = the environment sifts through the levels of the body's bodies. For many this = is life changing. = We are making these claims based on documentation of thousands of = sessions: = Physical Body During the first 5 minutes the body is becoming entrained to the = vibrations of the music. This also happens when you "lose" yourself in dance. This process is = called bio-entrainment - you are responding to the music and the space around = you. Unlike acupuncture, rolfing or shiatsu that pushes or pierces the area, the = music gently vibrates the meridian energy to assume a natural flow. The relaxation is = re-educating or reprogramming the tissues within the body. The dodecahedron frame assists = by passively reinforcing your meridians to balance and entrain deeper. The space frame = helps to reorganize the quantum field in and around you. Physical benefits are: Pain decreased = Stress levels reduced = Energy levels increased = The worse the condition the more dramatic the result Mental Body The mental body is intimately connected with the physical. As the = physical stress releases you become more aware and clearer in your thoughts. Images may flash = before your mind's eye and solutions to your life will naturally present themselves = as yo u relax to the vibrations of the music. Mental benefits are: Greater clarity as to purpose and outlook = Greater awareness of your environment = Core issues may present themselves and resolve = Emotional Body Mostly our emotions have been repressed for so long that they have become = locked very deeply in our body tissues and mental patterns. Music creates emotional = resonance that will release blocked feelings. Emotional benefits are: Release of blocked emotional patterns = Connection to previously "unfelt" emotions = Enhanced self worth and empowerment = Imagine bathing in an ocean of sound that caresses your whole body and touches your innermost self. The sessions are designed to rapidly assist the body's innate capacity to be whole, and to move to new levels of awareness. The sessions are one hour. During this time your facilitator will be consulting with you through a standardized procedure that greatly facilitates the session. Sessions are individualized and may include aromatherapy, toning, Reiki, Light Language, NLP techniques, kinesiology, = energy work, and specifically selected passages of music. = There may be some processing after the session as the body mind spirit = connection releases old patterns that have been changed by the frequencies of the = musical passages and the vibroacoustic "musical massage" effects. Here is an quote that illustrates the transformational qualities of the DreamWeaver: "During the first session my held emotions were being massaged out of my = body. I was able to visualize scenes from my past that had caused me to give my power = away and to bury anger and to react out of fear. I was then able to visualize those = scenes in different ways and by the end of the session I was actually laughing and enjoying = myself. After the first session I went through a process of releasing a great deal of guilt = and fear about making choices, not to mention releasing anger. I really started feeling = great about myself aside from others' opinions. During the second session I felt the = pain and tension in my legs, hips, and back being released as I was doing deep breathing. = There was some pain and tension in my chest and I saw that being released, and as that = was, I felt incredible. Lots of peace, joy and love. Felt lots of forgiveness. Saw = some scenes from my childhood and parents house. I began to feel very integrated and = balanced. Felt that I had released a lot of anger, fear, and guilt. Felt more open to self." = Marlene = Photo Credits: Cover of "Cymatics" =A9 Hans Jenny, available through Jeff Volk = 603-659-2929 = Castlerigg by =A9 Truett Tidwell = "Theologue" =A9 Alex Gray = Dogon Rain Dance and DreamWeaver =A91983 and =A91995 Benedick Howard = About the author: As a culmination of 20 years of research Benedick Howard = invented the "DreamWeaver", an esoteric marriage of vibroacoustics = and sacred geometry. He is currently training facilitators in = the use of these healing temples, which are all encompassing to ols = that accelerates everything from relief of chronic pain to = personal and planetary ascension. = They are being used: 70% by healers, 13% in personal use, = 10% in spas and 7% by professional musicians. = Benedick Howard, inventor, healer and sacred scientist, = was educated at a Rudolf Steiner school and Leeds University in = England. = Travels throughout the US & Canada and England on a "DreamWeaver" walkabout providing presentations, = workshops, sales and training. = For twenty years has been working with sacred geometry = and the past nine years has been teaching the healing uses of sound, = light and sacred geometry. = In 1987 took over Dr. Randall Baer's "Academy of = Interdimensional Law and Science" and continues the research and = application of sacred geometry, sound and light healing for personal and = planetary consciousness evolution. = Ex-development engineer for Canadian General Electric, = specializing in crystalline structures (sacred geometry). = Has traveled extensively throughout Africa staying with = the Dogon and Ituri pygmy tribes. = This article is copyrighted, all rights reserved. However, you may = use in whole or partially provided that the thoughts, ideas, and or facts are not taken out of = context and remain faithful to the meaning, intent and scope of the original. Proper credit must be = given to the author. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00007 Date: 12/17/96 From: OTTO J. MAKELA Time: 9:39:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <58uo40$elq@soap.news.pipex.9:39:51912/17/96 Reply-to: "Otto J. Makela" From: "Ben Mitchell" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.science,alt.par net.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channel ng,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.paranormal.pyramid,alt.paranor Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 17:27:14 GMT Spam-cancel: "What sort of person are you?" --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGQ00008 Date: 12/17/96 From: MATTN@NETMANAGE.COM Time: 9:39:am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ICE AGE Reply-to: mattn@netmanage.com From: mattn@netmanage.com Newsgroups: alk.religion.newage,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranormal,alt. aranet.psi,alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.out of-body,alt.metaphysics.lightwork,alt.meditation.transcendental,a Organization: NetManage Corp. Original Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 13:34:33 In Article Re: ICE AGE , victor Pierobon wrote: > was this adream or speculation? > > If a sudden polarity change occurs, resulting in an increase of > magnetic field > resulting in a strong magnetic bubble (van allen belt) > resulting a deflection of solar wind > .... would the earth cool down suddenly? I don't think so; the heat energy we recieve from the sun is mostly unaffected by the Van Allen belts. All they deflect are some particles, not thermal energy. On the other hand, there is some evidence that the sun is currtently in an "off" state (the star expands to the point where fusion cannot be aintained, then as it cools down it collapses back into a "critical mass" and starts fusing again), and that there is a cycle of heating and cooling of the sun that causes ice ages. We are historicly due for one about now... :) -Matt --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)