--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00014 Date: 12/13/96 From: OTTO J. MAKELA Time: 9:41:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <1211199622361437523001611259:41:24112/13/96 Reply-to: "Otto J. Makela" From: "Someone" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Original Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:36:14 PST Spam-cancel: "Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU!" --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00000 Date: 12/14/96 From: WYLDR Time: 11:03am \/To: SOMEONE (Read 1 times) Subj: Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU! >-Regarding: Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU! >-From: Someone to All on Thu Dec 12 1996 08:05 am What about my Goddess? --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.22 * Origin: New Moon Rising, Mn's Largest Pagan/Occult BBS (1:282/4122) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00001 Date: 12/14/96 From: BITBUCKET@NEWS.MSFC.NASA.GOV Time: 8:08:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <01bbe942$9a9092e0$12feacce@8:08:15612/14/96 Reply-to: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: lt.net,alt.net.and.modem.games,alt.net.nazis.must.die,alt.net.per onalities,alt.net.scandal,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channelin ,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.paranormal.forteana,alt.paranorm Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:31:34 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00002 Date: 12/14/96 From: JOHN FITZSIMONS Time: 8:08:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: About Sylvia Browne, Psychic From: "John Fitzsimons" Newsgroups: lt.life.afterlife,alt.metaphysics.lightwork,alt.paranet.metaphysi s,alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,talk.religion. newage Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:13:09 GMT On 12 Dec 1996 07:31:30 GMT, alexchen@cco.caltech.edu (Yebo Chen) wrote: >On 11 Dec 1996 22:13:01 GMT, trip@mail.island.net >(Slat/Reverdy/Saunders) wrote: >>Where's the evidence that this 'gift' actually exists in these people? < snip > >>I'm not sure what you are looking for? How would you prove by the >>information >>you are asking, that the person is psychic or not? >Well, obviously a psychic who is not into math should not be able to come up >with a proof that says x^n + y^n != z^n with n > 2 and x, y, and z being >integers. Therefore, any psychic who is not mathematician and can deliver such >a proof would show that s/he can contact Fermat or some other math god. < snip > That *might* satisfy you that the source was Fermat but it wouldn't satisfy others. Because a psychic may not be able to get this answer does not prove that psychism doesn't exist. It may mean ; (1) Fermet isn't able to be contacted. Being psychic doesn't mean one can contact anyone who has ever died. (2) Fermet may be able to be contacted but might not be interested in talking to you. (3) Fermet may be reincarnated and going on with some other project. (4) A psychic who may be able to do as you suggest may not be interested in "performing", for you, or anyone else. (5) Because a psychic may not be able to get this information through does not mean psychism doesn't exist. This conclusion would be similar to saying that unless a golfer got a "hole in one" then he/she isn't a golfer and/or golfers don't exist. Getting the degree of accuracy you require is very difficult. Only a very small number of psychics could do it. Most couldn't. This doesn't mean the others aren't psychic, merely that they aren't psychic to the degree of accuracy you ask for. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00003 Date: 12/13/96 From: BLUE RESONANT HUMAN Time: 5:03:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ::: Hale-Bopp/Nemesis -- An Interstitial5:03:34612/13/96 From: "Blue Resonant Human" Newsgroups: lt.alien.visitors,sci.astro,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranet.abduct,al t.paranormal.channeling,alt.magick.tyagi Organization: The Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren Original Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:36:32 GMT My Dear Brethren; In that certain erudite quantum physicists (Sarfatti, Puharich, et al) have taken to consulting Interstitial Intelligences and Langley hath taken to employing gay remote-viewing scientologists, we thought it only fair to consult some of our own Controversial Sources in regards to the Hale-Bopp/"Hail-Mary" enigma which hath become quite popular as of late due to the Fine Journalistic Efforts of one Artemis Bell and his Remarkable Friends at North American Trading. First and foremost we grepped the old Cosmic Awareness archives for references both to the "comet" itself (CAC coined the label "Nemesis" some years before the "comet" was "discovered" by amateur astronomers Hale & Bopp) and it's Reptoid Inhabitants. Please be advised that decrypting the dates of the actual read- ings is quite simple; 920611, for instance, indicates that the reading took place on 06/11/92: o Infrared telescopes keeps track of Nemesis (How) / 920611 o Nemesis (Is just-spotted planetoid really?). / 930112 o Nemesis - are Reptoids on this planetoid aware of underground nuking? / 920608 o Nemesis can now be spotted from Australia / 921508 o Nemesis launches 21 ships to Jupiter / 931708 o Nemesis - Reptoid satellite (an update) / 910603 o Nemesis - still beyond Jupiter/its existence not for the public / 931707 o Nemesis/Telescope - getting facts clear on Nemesis/Hubble Space Telescope / 910316 o Planetoid Nemesis (More on the) - "End times" scenario and the UFO connection / 910314 o Planetoid Nemesis - how was it built? / 921512 o Pluto (The planetoid parked near) - more on Nemesis / 920415 o Reptilian aliens (Past influences of the) - Adam/Eve/Garden of Eden / 900908 o Reptilian aliens - a peek at what they are really like / 901215 o Reptilian and other aliens (Descriptions of) / 901315 o Reptilians - what do they look like? / 910317 o Reptoid invasion of Earth (An update) / 911402 o Reptoid/Pleiadian/War - an update / 921511 o Reptoid seeds (All humans once had) / 911418 o Reptoid sex-change surgeons are implanting / 930315 o Reptoid strength and their family life / 920409 o Reptoid warriors - what they will look like / 920409 o Reptoids (30 million) coming. Why kill off or reduce mankind? / 901109 o Reptoids (How close are they?) - an Alien update / 931314 o Reptoids (some) are also reincarnated here / 911604 o Reptoids and the planetoid Nemesis (More on) / 920908 o Reptoids are spiritually bankrupt beings / 911604 o Reptoids can recognize All is One and still eat you / 901805 o Reptoids do have emotions and astral bodies, Greys do not / 930512 o Reptoids eat humans like we eat chicken / 911209 o Reptoids/Enslavement - how can Reptoids enslave us if they remain underground? / 911212 o Reptoids/Greys - can the Reptoids really rely on the Greys? / 920515 o Reptoids have subjugated the Greys - how long? / 910814 o Reptoids in sheep's clothing / 921311 o Reptoids/New World Order (Is the NWO designed to fight reptoids?) / 910315 o Reptoids/UFO dog fight/Time Travel/History / 930114 o Reptoids - what they are like / 920402 o Voyage of Nemesis (The) - calm before the storm Part 3 / 920412 - - - - - Following are some examples of CAC "nemesis" readings: WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF "NEMESIS"? ======================================= Creston Mentioned it Once Too Often QUESTION: --------- He'd like to hear more about the status of Nemesis. COSMIC AWARENESS: ----------------- This Awareness indicates that there have been writings in various newspapers, in various underground UFO material and in some magazines referring to Nemesis. That one of the reasons given for the close friend of the Interpreter as having been killed recently was that he spoke of Nemesis too often. This Awareness indicates that it is something that apparently is not intended for the public. This Awareness indicates that there is very little information available on this except on rare occasions in various publications in small sentences or very brief statements. It appears that Nemesis is still somewhat beyond Jupiter. The "Asteroid Announcement" in June of 1993 This Awareness indicates that a recent gathering of scientists in Colorado in June, discussed a concern regarding some 17 to 21 asteroids or comets that were headed in a straight line toward Jupiter and were expected to hit the planet between June 27th to July 27th in 1994, during that 30 day period, with the most likely time being the 7th or 10th of June to the 10th of July of 1994. This Awareness indicates that as anyone knows, asteroids don't follow each other in a straight-line formation, nor do comets. These are guided ships, and the effect of this announcement or concern will simply have to wait until that time, and entities may wish to watch during that time for information. It is not likely to be blasted out on Tom Brokaw's news or on CNN or any other major news media. It is more likely that it will be presented only through leaked information, available in some astronomy magazines or UFO magazines or some other source that is not controlled by the major news networks. This Awareness indicates that if you want the commercial news to publish all your information, then you should not be subscribing to a newsletter such as this, for this kind of information is not going to make it on the news networks. This kind of news has little interest to the majority of people, and the purpose of the major news networks is to give all of the more exciting and common news around the world, in a way that does not disturb the people in their living room without following-up in terms of continual coverage such as the Gulf War and other activities that can be presented as a kind of information that exhilarates the minds of their listeners. These networks do not like to raise questions or create disturbances that cannot be answered and handled easily. They do not want entities to go around wondering whether the government is protecting them or is incompetent in its role as protector. Therefore they are not likely to release such information on extraterrestrials unless they can show that the government has everything under control and there is no need to lose any sleep whatsoever. Nemesis Launches 21 Ships to Jupiter This Awareness indicates that the 17 to 21 ships going to Jupiter having been launched from Nemesis. This Awareness indicates the Interpreter is still looking for old references to Nemesis and when and if this is found, he will give the editor the date and source of such references. The entity Creston as one who had such references, but that the Interpreter does not have any personal familiarity of this information and since Creston has been killed, it is not possible to ask him when this was published, or in what magazine. - - - - - THOSE 21 "ASTEROIDS" DUE TO STRIKE JUPITER ========================================== (Excerpt from a CAC General Reading, August 9, 1993) COSMIC AWARENESS: ----------------- This Awareness indicates also another topic that this Awareness wishes to discuss at this time. It will give a small amount of information now at this time, and more later. This Awareness indicates that this is in regard to 17 asteroids that are moving in a line toward Jupiter and are due to strike the planet in this summer of 1994, between June 27th and July 29th, that the more likely time is early July. This Awareness indicates that this is the way it will be presented when entities hear about this through their normal news media; that these are 17 asteroids moving in a line. This Awareness indicates, of course, anyone knows that asteroids do not move in lines, in a formation of this type. Therefore, considering what this Awareness has given in the past relating to Zechariah Sitchin's books and his reference to Nemesis and the pathway to earth as being that which comes through Jupiter; this Awareness suggests that you can readily understand what is the more likely truth of this event. This Awareness indicates you will probably hear about this on your news media within six months and it will be presented as 17 or more asteroids moving toward Jupiter. This Awareness indicates it may be 21 "asteroids" moving toward Jupiter by the time the information is released. (Ed's Note: They quit calling them "asteroids" some time back; today they are calling them "comets.") - - - - - Additional intell may be obtained from the following locations: ftp://tezcat.com/Cosmic.Awareness http://tezcat.com/Cosmic.Awareness/html/cachome.html Cosmic Awareness Communications PO Box 115 Olympia, WA 98507 - - - - - Next we polled the Leading Edge archives and were Absolutely Delighted to find this fine data from the Noble Andromedans: -= ANDROMEDAN UPDATE =- ::: Current Galactic Update ::: May 11, 1996 During the first half of May 1996, Alex Collier has again been experiencing physical communication with the Andromedans, who released the following data: o Approximately two months ago (March 1996), a large mothership was found by the Andromedans to have parked itself just outside our solar system. Current reconnaissance (May 1996) has revealed a large number of reptilian soldiers in cryogenic stasis on board. While the exact number of these humanoids and their intent is not known at this time, the Andromedans have stated that the origin of the craft is the Ursa Minor system. o Hale-Bopp Update: The Andromedans state that what appears to be the Hale-Bopp comet is in fact a very large craft made to appear as a comet, with other craft in tow within its extremely long tail. In addition, a second comet-shaped ship has been detected and is heading towards our solar system, apparently originating from an area in the constellation of Cancer. - - - - - ::: More on Crop Circles and Hale-Bopp ::: (From a Jan 1996 Lecture) I have asked about crop circles, which the Andromedans say embodies 5th dimensional geometry, and I have been told that there are two groups leaving the crop circles. They are showing up in the United States, primarily along fault lines on the West Coast, and are suppressed by the media and the federal government. They are making sure that as soon as they are discovered they are destroyed. One group leaving the crop circles is the Andromedan Council, which is made up of 139 different races, which is putting this coded information into the Earth to help stabilize it from Earth calamities - they are trying to buy us time. Other crops circles are being left by the Orion Group. Where are they coming from? From Hale-Bopp. Hale-Bopp is not a comet. It has an atmosphere. It has changed course four times and will change course two more times before it gets here. There is also a similar object coming from the constellation of Cancer that is on its way here. I am told that there are two planetary bodies in the tail of what we call Hale-Bopp, and when it passes through our solar system those two structures or planetoids will move out of the "tail" and move into an orbit around Mercury. This is in the period February-March 1997, and they are going to tell us "we're here" for sure. That's the latest time they can arrive. It is the highest probability that in November of 1996 after Spielberg's movie about Roswell is released, they are going to start telling you things, such as the fact that they are picking up signals. The truth is, they started picking up signals back in 1960, and they were already on the moon with extraterrestrial help. The whole thing is a nested conspiracy, and it is all for the purpose of keeping us fat, dumb and stupid. They don't want to "spook the herd", as a friend of mine said. It is because "they" fear us. If we stand together and ask for benevolent help, folks, its going to be there. In fact, I have been told that the Andromedan Council has decided to directly intervene, but I don't know how. Right now, as I have said, the Pleiadians are in full-fledged war outside our solar system. There is increasing death on both sides. The Hubble Telescope sees it. In fact, there are two Hubble Telescopes - not just one. The Russians sent one up, but you are not being told about that. The Andromedans also say that we currently have two suns in our solar system, but because of the position of Earth, we never see the sister sun. You could see it, though, from the inner planets. They rotate around each other. Cydonia is in the northern hemisphere, and that area was once covered by water. It is along the equator where most of the colonization occurred. Before most of the larger cities on Mars were destroyed, they existed in the southern hemisphere. Phobos is home to a lot of Greys at this time. - - - - - In L.V.X., etc.; -Frater Caeruleus, B:.B:. http://www.users.cts.com/sd/d/density4/index.html "It really isn't pretty what a hollowed-out, reptoid-filled planetoid without pity can do..." --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00004 Date: 12/13/96 From: FRIDRIK SKULASON Time: 5:03:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ::: Hale-Bopp/Nemesis -- An Intersti5:03:34612/13/96 From: "Fridrik Skulason" Newsgroups: lt.alien.visitors,sci.astro,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranet.abduct,al t.paranormal.channeling,alt.magick.tyagi Organization: Frisk Software International Original Date: 13 Dec 1996 16:20:43 -0000 In <58rpnn$qg6@ordeal.cts.com> density4@cts.com (Blue Resonant Human) writes: > "It really isn't pretty > what a hollowed-out, reptoid-filled planetoid without pity > can do..." Bad science-fiction like this has no place on sci.astro. Go away. -- Fridrik Skulason Frisk Software International phone: +354-5-617273 Author of F-PROT E-mail: frisk@complex.is fax: +354-5-617274 --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00005 Date: 12/14/96 From: JOHN FITZSIMONS Time: 8:08:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: New to this all From: "John Fitzsimons" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:12:56 GMT On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:03:26 GMT, sharon@ibm.net (sharon sartor) wrote: >John, I'm not the original poster, but this is exactly the question I >wanted to ask and you thoughtfully answered: >>Anyone can talk to their guides. Many people do that during their >>sleep. If you want to then just say that you want to talk to them just >>before you go to sleep. You probably will have no "conscious" recall >>of what was said when you wake up however. >then how would you know you had contacted them? If I do this, will I >just "know" that I have contacted them? Not overly hard to tell. In simplistic terms it goes something like this : Without "guidance" problems and not a lot of "solutions". With "guidance" and lots of probable "solutions". In addition when one gets answers on "inner" levels they tend to be more optimistic than they were before. So they should be. They have been given possible solutions they now only need to act on their "inner feelings" and things should work out okay. >>If you want to do the above "consciously" then find yourself a >>competent teacher. Try looking through some "New Age" magazines >>and or try ringing your local Spiritualist group/church. Do this alone >>and you can end up channelling negative entities and/or being >>possessed by them. >If there is a danger of "bad guys" invading my being, I 'm stuck. >I can't do this on my own and I don't trust the people who could help. >I've always depended on myself to solve lifes mysteries and am >monitoring this (and other like) newsgroups looking for direction. That's life. Sometimes we need to trust other people. Not all people are untrustworthy. >Looking in the "New Age" mags and Spiriutalis group ads etc is like >looking at the personal ads...everybody has the answers you seek. as >long as you have $$$$. Don't you get paid when you go to work ? Why shouldn't other people get paid ? > Who do you trust. The ones who pass a series of "tests" you apply. >How many do you have to go >through before you find a person who can truly help you find and >contact your spirit guides? You can learn things from "wrong" teachers. How could you hope to relate to "normal" people if you never made any mistakes yourself ? >A person could get real messed up just investigating. Yep. But only if one didn't do things properly. For example some of the things you would do would be to check out the teacher and/or students of his/hers before paying out any larger sums of money. Most genuine teachers will give free, or inexpensive, lectures to prospective students to help them to "evaluate" them. :-) Learning about and applying psychic protection techniques would help you. Also, directing light at your possible teacher helps. If he/she doesn't like that then they are the wrong teacher for you. :-) Asking your guides for help in this would also be an idea. You might also find something to help you at my Vicnet home page. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGJ00006 Date: 12/14/96 From: JOHN FITZSIMONS Time: 2:22:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: channeling opposite sex From: "John Fitzsimons" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:12:59 GMT On 11 Dec 1996 06:48:29 GMT, "bob blanchard" wrote: >How common is it for a channel to only be able to >channel entities of the opposite sex? Very UNcommon. Would tend to suggest a pretty poor channel. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)