--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGG00003 Date: 12/10/96 From: JENNIFER TAYLOR Time: 3:44:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: To Creme/Joseph Maitreya Critics From: "Jennifer Taylor" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: La Trobe University Original Date: 10 Dec 1996 17:18:46 GMT To ALL WRITER'S and Correspondents who write to Joseph Emmanuel or Benjamin Creme. =================================================================== After taking more than a day to sit down and think slowly, quietly, with a good cat, I have come to this conclusion. Over time , when we were communicating with Joseph Emmanuel or Creme, we were actually giving these people information which they did not either know about or have in the first place. These questions were never asked to them, but they counted on the users from the net to ask questions, so that they can always clear their loop holes which may give them away as a CULT group, trying to put a scam and make money. By us asking questions, and then explaining at times, that this is , this and not that, we are giving away free information to a person or persons who in the first place, had no idea at all. Thus these people are then using our information, to close the loop holes that are dead give away to their scam. Like we name Sutras, we put out cutting from sutras, we ask questions, all must be going in to improve his position so that he can milk other people, who aren't that well known to buddhism, or don't know much about buddhism or hinduism. These people after hearing what we have said, but through the mouth of these cult's, they'll think, WOW, these people really know what they are doing. I came to this conclusion, due a number of reasons. 1. Firstly, when writing questions down, answers got from Joseph were all Bible rantings with little buddhist quotes. Actually none. But as time went by, he has most probably looked at these books and his tune has changed a fair bit!. 2. Secondly, he used to send 5 files in a bunch to people who used to enquire about his organisation. These files contained what he did and so forth. But within it, it had one document which gave us the prices of things he was selling, including the expensive, $450.00 per head dinner fund raisers he has for the mission of maitreya. Now when this was mentioned to him, his file , from introduc.zip became Maitreya.zip and this information about dinner fundraisers and other fundraiser costs were all deleted. 3. The more questions we put forward, the more loop holes we close for him. He will then use our questions and answers, to lure other people who don't know as much and are very gulliable!. 4. Now if we ignore him, there won't be any questions to him and his idea to count on us to ask him questions so that he can get the information he need to secure his scam, will be lost!. He fails badly. No one to chat to , no one ask questions, no abuse mail for him to show to his supporters that , "this is what happened to Jesus". That we question askers are the ones trying to put him down and then make himself look the big victim and then leech off the money of the crazy new agers who know little!. 5. If no one mails him or asks him questions, he will get frustrated and sooner or later, it will show up!. I AURGE ALL OF YOU NOT TO ASK HIM ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT ALL. HE IS USING OUR KNOWLEDGE TO SECURE HIS SCAM. Do not email him nor put comments. We simply ignore all his mails, no matter which new group he posts. All i will do, is keep on posting this every month for the new users to be alert so that they don't fall into the pit themselves!. How about that ?. And in time, all fakers are caught out anyway. Also, people who are annoyed with my signature file, will not longer have to bear with it!. hahahahah... Also, if you are really compelled to reply, then we can use our newly created spiritual language. With thanks to Eli or Micheal!. When you want to abuse, say or write....any combination of this GGGGGGGGGGGGUUUYWWWWWWWFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.. Or GGGUUUUWWWFFFF..... or if you are really in a funny mood, i just learnt another cryptic anguage!. it's : oooooooooooooooogaaaaaaaaaaaa boooooooooooooooogaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Whatever that means. Anyone good enough in language ?. Maybe Susan. Can you Susan decrypt this please ?. And let Joseph/CReme figure out what the hell it means!. Simple. But also, if anyone of out out there come across Joseph Emmanuel , and can take his photo or obtain one, PASS IT ON THE F.B.I, Cult Investigation Division and to the INTERPOL. ( International Police ). I'll do that here also by mailing whatever i know to the Fraud Squad in Australia. That should keep him on his toes and this old man plus another old man, Creme ( some how makes me think he's one and the same : Joseph = Creme but it's my opinion only~!!!!. ), and sooner of later, something will come up. Regards, Jennifer. email : musjmt@lux.latrobe.edu.au Acknowledgments =============== Many thanks to the following people =================================== Joseph Crea ( who is not same as Joseph Emmanuel ) Keyboard Cowboy from Singapore. Jon on some of this comments. Walter from Melbourne Australia. Kent Sandvick from US. And to All people who are true buddhist and don't go for scams. Plus to people who mailed me and supported me. -- Regards, Jennifer. email : musjmt@lux.latrobe.edu.au _______----_______ ___---~~~~~.. ... .... ... ..~~~~~---___ _ ================================================ __________________________ - .. .. _--~~~~~-------____-------~~~~~ (______________________][__)____ - / /______---~~~.. .. ..~~-_~ <_______________________________- ~~~~~~~-----__ __- ~~~~~~~~~~~ This is ENTERPRISE 5F. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGG00004 Date: 12/11/96 From: SHARON SARTOR Time: 12:2:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: New to this all From: "sharon sartor" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Original Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:03:26 GMT John, I'm not the original poster, but this is exactly the question I wanted to ask and you thoughtfully answered: >Anyone can talk to their guides. Many people do that during their >sleep. If you want to then just say that you want to talk to them just >before you go to sleep. You probably will have no "conscious" recall >of what was said when you wake up however. then how would you know you had contacted them? If I do this, will I just "know" that I have contacted them? >If you want to do the above "consciously" then find yourself a >competent teacher. Try looking through some "New Age" magazines >and or try ringing your local Spiritualist group/church. Do this alone >and you can end up channelling negative entities and/or being >possessed by them. If there is a danger of "bad guys" invading my being, I 'm stuck. I can't do this on my own and I don't trust the people who could help. I've always depended on myself to solve lifes mysteries and am monitoring this (and other like) newsgroups looking for direction. Looking in the "New Age" mags and Spiriutalis group ads etc is like looking at the personal ads...everybody has the answers you seek. as long as you have $$$$. Who do you trust. How many do you have to go through before you find a person who can truly help you find and contact your spirit guides? A person could get real messed up just investigating. sharon --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGG00005 Date: 12/11/96 From: WHITELIGHT@ANGELIC.COM Time: 12:2:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ***Your PERSONAL In Depth HOROSOPE Onlin0:02:41712/11/96 Reply-to: whitelight@angelic.com From: whitelight@angelic.com Newsgroups: lt.ufo.reports,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal.pyramid,alt.paranor al.crop-circles,alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranor mal.channeling,alt.religion.universal-life Organization: Concentric Internet Services Original Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:20:06 GMT Come visit us at http://www.concentric.net/~angeltam/tamara/astrology.html Astrology Reports starting at $14.95 - sent to you within 24 hours or if you would like the reports mailed via first class air mail within 48 hours. Find out what is coming up in your future within the next 6 months. 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The quotes are inspirational, witty and insightful. We dont charge for this service and we hope youll want to be a part of it. If you would like to join our mailing, send e-mail to Subscribe2@Juno.com And put your name in the body of the message. Later, if you like, you can stop receiving this mailing by sending e-mail to Unsubscribe2@Juno.com (fhonel) --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00000 Date: 12/11/96 From: BITBUCKET@NEWS.MSFC.NASA.GOV Time: 4:14:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <58m9lt$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.c4:14:29012/11/96 Reply-to: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling,control Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Original Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:55:09 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00001 Date: 12/11/96 From: BOB BLANCHARD Time: 4:14:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: channeling opposite sex From: "bob blanchard" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Internet On-Ramp, Inc. Original Date: 11 Dec 1996 06:48:29 GMT How common is it for a channel to only be able to channel entities of the opposite sex? --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00002 Date: 12/11/96 From: BDS Time: 4:14:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Try This! Reply-to: bds@dmi.net From: "bds" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic Original Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 02:52:18 -0800 ****************************************************************************** This is the $1.00 concept explained without the hype and silly numbers! Read the following carefully and you could be joining the many thousands of Internet users who are currently earning quite large sums of money with a few hours work using their computers via the Internet! ****************************************************************************** This posting has been appearing for quite some time and has now literally got thousands of people actively involved. No doubt like me, you may have seen it before and become a little confused by the way its been explained. However, I personally have never believed in a so called Free Lunch and have always worked hard to support my family. But this idea is so simple involving a modest $5.00 investment that I simply had to try it. With so many people involved I became convinced that I too could benefit. And, as I found out, this system really does work! After about two weeks in, Im beginning to get a reasonable and realistic return with a further understanding of just how big this concept really is. Money is coming in from all over the world! If youre interested there are three basic steps, all of which are pretty simple. THE FIRST STEP (1). Take five sheets of paper. Write your name and address on each piece along with the words: Please place me on your mailing list. 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Then your 50 new agents each post to 250 newsgroups with you at #3. Thats 12,500 postings which generates about $500.00 to you. These next 500 agents make 125,000 postings with you at #2 which earns about $10,000. Finally about 5,000 agents again make postings to 250 newsgroups which would equate out to approximately $50,000 before your name drops off the list! This sounds like pie in the sky, but the numbers add up, and with over 40 million people on the Internet...it works! ****TIP*** For a better return post to more than 250 newsgroups initially. When your name drops off a list simply access another message from a newsgroup and start the process over again. GENERAL STEPS ON AUTOMATING THE PROCESS: Make any necessary changes to this article as explained in step (2) and when youre done save it to your word processor. Then click on Copy. Next, locate the newsgroups you intend to post to (Netscape 3.0 is terrific for this because you can highlight dozens of newsgroups all at once, enabling you to distribute your message to 1,000s of locations in less than an hour or two). Highlight all the newsgroups you want to post to, which is done by holding down CTRL while clicking your left mouse button. This way you can select multiple newsgroups in one go. Then after highlighting the newsgroups, click on To News. Place a sensible title in the Subject location, click on the text section, go to the Edit menu and click paste Click on send...and thats it. Repeat the process over and over again be selecting further newsgroups in multiples of 10s, but try to be selective with the groups by posting to high volume locations, and dont choose a subject that appears too flashy, as this will only put people off. This is an honest and legitimate way of making a reasonable amount of money on a regular basis, but only if your message is clearly understood by others. *NOTE: This system is based on everyone being honest. Its all too tempting not to send out the initial $5.00, but if you dont, you wont be successful. THIS SYSTEM REALLY WORKS! Give it a try...you wont be disappointed. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00003 Date: 12/11/96 From: REBECCA BRYANT Time: 5:55:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: channeling web site From: "rebecca Bryant" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Optimum Group Original Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:09:25 -0400 To those of you who are interested, please visit http://home.fuse.net/bryant for information on meditation and channeling. Merry Christmas to all! Namast, rebecca --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00004 Date: 12/11/96 From: KEVIN G. BROWN Time: 5:55:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Holography on THE NEXT STEP From: "Kevin G. Brown" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.paran rmal.crop-circles,alt.misc.forteana,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.parano rmal.pyramid,alt.prophecies.nostradamus Organization: Project Alpha Original Date: 11 Dec 1996 19:21:48 GMT There has been a lot of activity on the list over the last few months on potential applications of holography. The Discovery Channel will feature some of our holographic encryption technology on the television show THE NEXT STEP on Friday, December 13, 1996 @ 7:30 PM EST. For those of you outside the country we have video tapes of the TV show available. This TV show might provide some of you with a chance to have some of your questions answered, or provide you with the opportunity to formulate some new ones. The Press Release issued by our Company, HGRM, appears at the bottom of this post. Please take this opportunity to visist one of our web sites, or connect to the Next Step. Kind regards Kevin G. Brown President & CEO Holographic Dimensions, Inc. 16115 SW 117 Ave, # 21-A Miami, FL 33177 Tel: 305-255-4247 Fax: 305-255-0339 Visit our primary WWW server at: http://www.shadow.net/~holodi Visit Project Alpha at: http://www.shadow.net/~holodi/alpha.htm Visit Circular Times at: http://www.shadow.net/~holodi/circle1.htm Visit Millenimum 2000 & CRV Links at: http://www.shadow.net/~holodi/time.htm How about a Brief History of Time: http://www.shadow.net/~holodi/time1.htm FOR IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE Miami, Florida - 9 December 1996 ---- Holographic Dimensions, Inc. (OTC - HGRM) announces that the Company will be the subject of a Feature Story on The Discovery Channels Next Step airing on The Discovery Channel (TDC) Friday December 13, 1996 at 7:30 PM - Eastern Standard Time. The Next Step episode Episode (# 56) features the making of Stephen Spielbergs Tiny Toon Adventures holographic images in the Companys optical & metallurgical laboratories as well as several innovative technologies under development at Holographic Dimensions, Inc. including machine readable and edible holograms. According to Kevin G. Brown, President & CEO of Holographic Dimensions, Inc. The Discovery Channel approached Holographic Dimensions, Inc. because of the Companys reputation as a cutting edge development company for new holographic technologies & market applications. Holographic Dimensions, Inc. is a vertically integrated manufacturer of holographic imagery. The Companys products are incorporated into a variety of security products including, but not limited to, credit cards, negotiable documents, event tickets, and transit passes. The Companys customer base includes Warner Brothers, Electra Records, Merck Pharmaceutical, NASA, The Coca Cola Company and General Motors amongst many others For additional information about Holographic Dimensions, Inc. please contact: Holographic Dimensions, Inc. 16115 SW 117 Ave, #21-A Miami, Florida 33177 Tel: 305 255 4247 Fax: 305 255 0339 --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DGI00005 Date: 12/11/96 From: MODERATOR Time: 11:20pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: RULES - PLEASE READ!! ************************************************************** CHANNELS Conference Rules - Updated June 30, 1994 ************************************************************** NOTE: these rules do NOT apply to alt.paranormal.channeling o This conference is for the discussion of Channels and related topics, including: - The messages that come from channelling - How to channel - What is channelling - Who channels - The entities giving the messages ************************************************************** o The Following are NOT ALLOWED at any time: 1. profane language. 2. Personal attacks against any person or organization 3. Long threads on topics not related to channelling 4. Attempts by anyone other than the moderator to police the echo. Anyone who breaks these rules is subject to having his feed or access to CHANNELS, cut or put on probation. ************************************************************** This conference is carried by MUFONET, SearchNet, and Fidonet. SysOps, please use your fidonet node numbers if you have one ************************************************************** Please allow the moderator to do the moderating No FLAMING is allowed Everyone must be TOLERANT of other people's opinions. ************************************************************** I encourage participants to post their personal knowings, related to the spirit realm, even if they don't consider it channelled. Glenda Stocks (Moderator) --- FileMgr 3103G * Origin: FileMgr -- The Ultimate Fileprocessor (1:330/201)