--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00018 Date: 11/13/96 From: DAN PRESSNELL Time: 2:27:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: We`re all telepaths From: "Dan Pressnell" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.science,alt.par anet.skeptic,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Somewhere in Texas Original Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:46:03 GMT ab801@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote: :Actually, because most psychic abilties are NOT "perform on demand" sorts :of things, but extraordinary PHENOMENA that occur irregularly and without :warning, there is no more use demanding proof of someone's abilities than :there is demanding that someone prove lightning is "real" by insisting :that they drag it into a lab to make it perform on demand. Certainly, :small scale electricity can be generated, and so also can "small" psychic :effects be consistently measured. But these results are questionable :because the scale is nothing like that claimed for the "big powers". It's funny how it can't be performed on demand when there's an offer for a test, but when it's three bucks a minute or 35 bucks a reading, the customers aren't told that it's a crap shoot. :Now mix in the THOUSANDS of "psychics" who make extravagant claims for :all sorts of powers. These are so easily refutable, I have no problem :understanding Mr. Randi's firm convictions on these subjects. I am just a :bit surprised that in all the years that he has been investigating, he :has never seen ANY "improbable" phenomena, for which the usual excuses of :fraud and delusion could be ruled out. I wish somebody would pay me to call the toss of a coin. I just won't be tested, because my amazing ability is not like that. There have been times when I've predicted the toss more accurately than chance would suggest. Once, I did it 9 times out of 10. The odds of predicting the toss of a coin correctly at least 9 times out of 10 are 11/1024, or about one percent. Oh, sure, there have been times when I didn't do that well, but nobody's interested in those times, and they were just warm-ups anyway, so they don't count. You ask how do we get this totally unpredictable phenomenon the lab so it can be tested. It's already been done. See http://wheel.ucdavis.edu/~btcarrol/skeptic/parapsy.html#optional . Dan --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00019 Date: 11/13/96 From: CHRIS LEWIS Time: 2:27:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <56ak0l$sma@news.et.byu.edu>2:27:09011/13/96 From: "Chris Lewis" Newsgroups: lt.org.odyssey-mind,alt.org.pugwash,alt.org.sierra-club,alt.org.s arfleet,alt.org.toastmasters,alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.multics, lt.os.nachos,alt.out-of-body,alt.overlords,alt.pagan,alt.paranet, Original Date: 13 Nov 1996 14:59:33 GMT MMF spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Original Subject: THIS $$$ MAKER WORKS!!! --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00020 Date: 11/13/96 From: G SINGH POONIA Time: 2:27:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: From: "G SINGH POONIA" Newsgroups: lt.alien.research,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.alien.v sitors,alt.alien.wanderers,alt.aliens.imprisoned,alt.personals.al en,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.p Original Date: Subject: Re: READ THIS! The idea of the century! Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:58:15 +0000 Organization: University of Bradford Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <32251c3b.0@news.monkeybarrel.com> <01bb962b$e48fa580$1deb85c6@main> <32286CDD.5673@mwci.net> <01bb9ab2$0baf13a0$02eb85c6@remote1> <323168cc.5577083@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jeffrey Struyk In-Reply-To: <323168cc.5577083@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Xref: shore alt.alien.visitors:172385 alt.paranet.ufo:88393 alt.paranormal:44468 alt.paranormal.channeling:8942 alt.paranormal.crop-circles:944 Although u say yhe skateboard repels the earths magnetic field, I dont think that the scientists know how to wok with the field in order to repel it! p.s. 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CHECK US OUT AT: http://www.playgirlmag.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00023 Date: 11/13/96 From: A KHAIRUL Time: 12:2:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel From: "A Khairul" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: University of Bristol, England Original Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:45:10 GMT Spam cancelled by author's sysadmin. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00024 Date: 11/13/96 From: A KHAIRUL Time: 12:2:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel From: "A Khairul" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: University of Bristol, England Original Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:45:14 GMT Spam cancelled by author's sysadmin. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00025 Date: 11/13/96 From: CHRIS LEWIS Time: 12:2:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <56d2n4$hrc@usenet10.interra0:42:32011/13/96 From: "Chris Lewis" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Original Date: 13 Nov 1996 21:46:15 GMT WEBSEX spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Original Subject: *MAN TO MAN! LIVE GUYS AT: http://www.playgirlmag.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00026 Date: 11/13/96 From: "DANIEL WILSON" Time: 12:2:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: We`re all telepaths From: ""Daniel Wilson"" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Original Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:34:40 GMT Charles Gregory said: > Now mix in the THOUSANDS of "psychics" who make extravagant claims > for all sorts of powers. These are so easily refutable, I have no > problem understanding Mr. Randi's firm convictions on these > subjects. I am just a bit surprised that in all the years that he > has been investigating, he has never seen ANY "improbable" > phenomena, for which the usual excuses of fraud and delusion could > be ruled out. ... snip ... > But I have seen Mr. Randi at work. He always seems to > be running into people that are fakes or severely deluded. The only > thing I can think of is that he only investigates claims of > "repeatable" phenomena, and this leads to the obvious failure to > note the "real" random phenomena. Randi has psychic power, and doesn't realise it. Like Dr Susan Blackmore, the skeptical parapsychologist, who likewise can ensure by her presence that paranormal phenomena cannot occur, he epitomises and channels the inverse-religious fears of a large sector of the public that paranormal effects can only exist at pain of their losing their familiar world. This is a respectable fear and should not be mocked. Randi can be subverted by affirmation. This was proved in 1992 when he ran what was supposed to be a debunking programme on dowsers on British TV. The dowsers (or some of them) conferred beforehand and set up a "protection" so that they could perform normally. Result, three out of four tests proved dowsing. Randi tried to pull the programme, the producer refused and witnesses say "he threw a wobbler" in the control room. Dan Wilson --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DFK00027 Date: 11/13/96 From: FYI@PSINET.COM Time: 2:56:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: !OPEN WIDE - http://www.nwnt.com/slit From: fyi@psinet.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: PSINet Original Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:01:43 GMT We're Here!!! SLIT Magazine has made it to the Internet! Join us and you will find instant access to explicit audio pictures, and more. It is easy. CHECK OUT: http://www.nwnt.com/slit --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)