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Original Subject: money@home legally A copy of the original message can be found at --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DEH00008 Date: 10/11/96 From: BLUE RESONANT HUMAN Time: 1:02:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ::: Brother Budd Hopkins -- An Holy Inte1:02:48010/11/96 From: "Blue Resonant Human" Newsgroups: lt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet. abduct,alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren Original Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:42:09 GMT An Holy Interview with our Dear Brother Budd Hopkins ==================================================== "I've always felt they (the "aliens") are coming here because they need *our* spirit." -Budd Hopkins [Our Dear Brother Budd -- Holy Mentor of Dr. John Mack and Fore- father of the Modern Alien Abduction Mythos -- now speaketh forth and manifesteth an Holy Repentence, calling to task both the Little Grey Martian Parasites and their associated Third Density Rockefeller-Funded Barkers which so disturb the Jungian Collective Unconscious of our day -B:.B:.] Exclusive One-On-One Interview with Budd Hopkins by Dick Farley DF = Brother Dick Farley BH = Brother Budd Hopkins (GREENSBORO, NC - July 7) When Budd Hopkins and I sat dowm to lunch at the Cafe Expresso in the hotel hosting the Mutual UFO Network's 1996 convention, it wasn't the first time we'd met. Budd and I have been in loose touch since 1987, after publication of his second book about perceived alien abduction experiences, "Intruders." (His first book on the topic, "Missing Time," had appeared in 1981.) And before that, in one of those "coincidences" which veteran "UFO" researchers, scholars and journalists eventually come to accept as part of the territory, Budd and I are from the same home town. Not only the same home town, (Wheeling, WV), but actually from the same neighborhood (Meadow Estates), where Budd and his older brother Stewart grew up, and where I later grew up. While older brother Stewart remained in Wheeling to take over the family's Chrysler-Plymouth dealership (Hopkins Motors), Budd, after graduating from Oberlin College in Ohio, "beat feet" to the Big Apple in pursuit of full expression of his inner muses on the New York art scene. Eventually scoring some successes by having his pieces hang in the Guggenheim (modem art museum) and, perhaps more helpfully, in the pads of well-heeled art patrons, Budd says that after he had a 1964 "UFO" sighting, his interest in the subject was piqued. As perhaps West Virginia's currently preeminent "UFO guy," and with a long-awaited book about a purported Manhattan abduction with multiple witnesses (the "Linda Cortile" case), Budd and I sat down over lunch in Greensboro to chat. With his marriage to a very nice lady approaching, and with his new book ("Witnessed") slated for publication in August, Budd was his usual kind and candid self. And, as is also a hallmark of this West Virginian, Budd Hopkins had some surprising things to say... DF: Where do you see the UFO field heading, and more specifically what do you hope Witnessed will contribute? BH: What I'm hoping is that when people are confronted with a case like this, they'll realize there are only two options. Either it's a hoax, with many people going to an awfully lot of trouble and expense to set it up, or it actually happened. After six years of research we have more than 20 people who either were involved in it or were witnesses to it. And if it did actually happen, then it is important. And it has to be considered fairly, as, well as what is being reported by thousands and thousands of people all around the world as happening to them. DF: Your views about "alien abductions," as to what seems to be taking place and why, are quite well known. How do you expect "Witnessed" to influence the general UFO field? BH: As I said, these scenarios are being reported by people all over the world. And the recent publicity about that new movie, ("Independence Day," which Budd had not yet seen) shows that there is great public interest... maybe even an 'obsession'... in this phenomenon. I hope "Witnessed" will help do two things, primarily. First, I'm hoping a case like this will, in effect, "give people permission" to demand that these events be taken seriously, and enormously support the idea that we need to look into it intelligently. Secondly, I'd like to pry loose more people from government who have information that pertains to these occurrences, to present enough logical and clear-cut evidence so people interested are free to pursue it all wherever it may lead. DF: Do you believe the government knows more than it's told? BH: Maybe so. But I think the government is panicked and has been. They don't know what to do. As far as the government being in cahoots with aliens, I think that's bullshit. The aliens don't need anybody's permission to do what they're doing. But I am greatly disturbed at the govemment's participation in the cover-up, and the damage that it's done to millions of lives. DF: How so? BH: What if the government took this same approach to, say, another issue entirely, like a separate more worldly crime, like rape? Imagine the damage that would be done if, despite the evidence and the obvious trauma exhibited by victims, government authorities refused to acknowledge that the crime even existed, let alone had been committed against the person making the complaint. That's how the abduction phenomenon has been treated, and the damage that's been done to so many people seeking only help and a degree of understanding is unconscionable. DF: This brings us to your views about the nature of what is going on, and what might be its purpose. More importantly, how should we as a people fecl about it, assuming that it is real? John Mack's position, as he restated here (at MUFON '96) last night, is that these ostensible alien entities have come to Earth "to save us," or at least to save the planet from our excesses. Do you agree with John? BH: I've known John for several years, since being introduced to him by Robert J. Lifton, after which I helped to spark his interest in this field. And John and I remain very good friends, in fact we had breakfast together this morning. But I disagree with him *strongly* on this aspect of what might be going on, at a couple of levels. First, maybe because John is a psychiatrist and has spent his working life dealing with people who are, by definition, in some kind of distress needing psychological help, he sees our species as being in a state of spiritual atrophy. But perhaps because I come at life from the perspective of an artist, looking at the edges and fringes of human experience as being part of our enrichment I just don't see or feel that atrophy. DF: So, if the aliens are not coming here, as John Mack believes, to uplift and transform us and our planet for "our own good," why do you personally think it's all happening? BH: I've always, felt they (the aliens) are coming here because they need our spirit. I don't really see this as if we (humanity) are gaining spirit- ually, from their activities and interactions with us. DF: Whoa! What are you saying here? These guys are parasites? BH: I just mean I've never seen anything coming in from the aliens to make me think we're getting anything from it at all. Sure, to many experiencers the memories have had an impact, which some translate into deeper meanings for their lives. In a way, that's like many Vietnam veterans who have had overall a deeper, richer experience in life than, say, a hardware, store clerk in Ohio who had never left home. But that doesn't mean Vietnam was overall a benevolent enrichment of the veteran's experience. DF: So this is where you differ from John Mack in your "take" on why the aliens are here? BH: That's right. I've never seen any sign that the aliens bring any attitude of real benevolence. And I think John's error is to assume that this spiritual growth some abductees are feeling is from "them," (the-aliens). It may be from us. DF: Can you, expand on that?" BH: Let's look at our astronauts as a kind of "control group." Here are folks who are "taken away" as a group and from space they almost uniformly have reported "transformations" in their world, as well as of their personal approaches to life. And they've all come back feeling very protective of our planet. It's the same kind of question one has to ask about seemingly "channelled" material, whether it comes from a source other than ourselves...or maybe from an aspect of ourselves which we don't usually acknowledge or allow to "speak" to us. We shrink the human spirit to think that all of it has to come from "out there." All of that idea, that help comes from outside, is not unlike a fundamentalist approach to traditional religious experience. The basic "UFO message" has been pretty much the same since the earliest "contactee" reports back in the 1950s. And this may be our human reaction to our perception of their being here, not that they may not be taking some advantages of that. DF: But you don't believe that is their intent, to help us? BH: No. I just don't see this as if we're gaining spiritually from them or their being here. DF: Well, then, it seems as if your view is more consistent with the theme of the new movie, "Independence Day," where the aliens are here to take over the human race, but we finally get our act together enough, to blow them out of our skies. John Mack told the MUFON convention crowd last night that he was disappointed by the movie and its "American can-do" message of technological triumph over the aliens. So, do you believe Earth is being invaded, given what you have written previously about their human-alien hybridization program? BR: No, I don't believe at this point that we're dealing with an "invasion." The whole situation, from what I gather, is more misleading than that, not so clear cut, but I can't speculate more than anyone else as to its ultimate purpose or eventual outcome. DF: Well, if you aren't ready to welcome these aliens with open arms, as John Mack and those of his perspective suggest, what do you believe we humans ought to do? BH: I would like to see Earth have a sort of resistance to these kinds of events and whatever or whoever is carrying them out. Not in a warlike way, but in a way that demands respect for our own status as living beings with a right to live as we see fit on our own planet, for better or for worse. Excerpt from: West Virginia UFO Newsletter July/August, 1996, Vol. 2 No. 10 (c) 1996 Headline Books, Inc. P.0.Box 52, Terra Alta, WV 26764
Phone: 304/789-5951
TerraAlta@aol.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DEH00009 Date: 10/10/96 From: SNOWHARE@XMISSION.COM Time: 12:8:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <53h9ic$nmo@usenet4.interram0:18:08010/10/96 From: snowhare@xmission.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Original Date: 10 Oct 96 00:45:14 GMT Spam Cancellation. Original Subject: >>http://www.online18.com/sleaze<< A copy of the original message can be found at --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DEH00010 Date: 10/10/96 From: MAGAWISKA Time: 12:8:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Help - Listing of Metaphysical Store0:18:08010/10/96 From: "Magawiska" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.paranormal,alt.paranor al.channeling,alt.religion.angels,alt.religion.asatru,alt.religio .course-miracle,alt.religion.gnostic,alt.religion.shamanism,alt.r Organization: Friends of the Moth People Original Date: 10 Oct 1996 01:07:06 GMT Queen, dearie, when I travelled to NJ last month I had about an hour drive that I had to make and beforehand I got out my map and my listing from you and I mapped out the little towns to stop in along the way so that I could see what you had so graciously told me about. Thank you for your list and I think it is marvelous. I am always on the alert for new stores to tell you about, and I have shared your list with my friends who are not on the net. As to people outside North America, well, I am not sure why they were so upset with you but I wouldn't let them get to you. Well done, and thank you again! -Maga In article <53ggfn$9tu@shell.monmouth.com>, queen@shell.monmouth.com wrote... > >I publish the listing because I assume it's of interest to people >traveling or those who want to find stores in their area. Most >of the feedback is favorable except for people who complain when >there are no stores listed in their area. However, I received >email today from someone in the UK who threatened to cancel all >further postings if I don't limit the distribution to North America. > >When I went to England I was glad to have a list of metaphysical >stores in London. Most people probably don't know it exists because >it's not published on the newsgroups. > >I would like to hear from people (besides Simon Richardson in the >UK) in other parts of the world as to whether they would like the >list restricted to North America. If that's what the majority want, >that's what I will do. I don't want to offend anyone. > >On the other hand, there are ways to pick and choose what articles >you want before you download. Free Agent allows you to just >download the headers, pick what you want, and then just download >the articles you actually want to read. Some UNIX newsreaders >have kill files which allow you to ignore all articles which have >certain keywords in the subject line. Threatening people is not >constructive and does not lead to constructive solutions. > >I'm looking forward to hearing from people with their solutions. > >queen@monmouth.com >http://www.monmouth.com/~queen --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DEH00011 Date: 10/10/96 From: KEVIN DEPETRILLO Time: 12:8:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: CASH!!!!!READ ME!!!! From: "kevin depetrillo" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: AMD Original Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:50:37 -0700 Take two minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment. Of course I thought this was rediculous ,or some type of pyramid. I talked it over with my family, an attorney, and my friends, and they all agreed it was some sort of scam.I hate scams because usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me! I blew it off for a few weeks then saw another one in a newsgroup I go to alot and thought, "Maybe this is legitimate!". Besides, whats $5.00 , I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. Well, two weeks later,I began recieving money in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little , I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand , then it EXPLODED!! . By the end of the fourth week , I had recieved nearly $39,000.00. It came from all over the world and every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own money. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words, "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1. Alain Renaud 2638 Augustin-Cantin Montreal, QC,Canada H3K 1E1 2. Yasutaka Takeuchi 205 Syatorey-Denen 1025 Uchino, Hamakita Shizuoka, JAPAN 434 3. Joseph Frank 333 East Broadway #8 Loveland, Ohio USA 45140 4. Duet Thompson 6 Strathconan Drv Toowoomba, Qld, Aust, 4350 AUS$ 5. Kevin DePetrillo 6024 Fairhope Pl. San Jose, Ca 95123 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are at least 17000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 200 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings.On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 200 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it.Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily.Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY! GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DEH00012 Date: 10/10/96 From: PATRICK Time: 12:8:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cherche quelqu'un From: "Patrick" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Original Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 22:55:26 -0400 Les phnomene paranormaux m'interresse et j'aimerais connaitre des faits vcu, et j'aimerais que vous les partagiez avec moi. J'attend vos rponses avec impatience (en Franais SVP) J'aimerais aussi vous faire part de mon opinion. Merci! Patrick --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DEH00013 Date: 10/10/96 From: DON'T EMAIL ME Time: 12:0:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Why it is OKAY to KILL TELEPATHS. From: "don't email me" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.science,alt.par net.skeptic,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.binaries games,alt.binaries.misc,alt.binaries.multimedia,alt.binaries.mult Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Original Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 20:47:18 -0700 In article <3251723e.15447388@nntp.netcruiser>, mephisto@netcom.ca (David Thompson) wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 07:47:36 GMT, cultist@voicenet.com (Slits Makane) > wrote: > >mephisto@netcom.ca (David Thompson) wrote: > > > > >> This guy cracks me up. I still can't tell if it's all an elaborate > >>troll or if he really believes in all this stuff. If you do...there > >>are ways of dealing with persecution complexes and delusional > >>paranoia. Just watch out for the little green men coming to repossess > >>your car. > >> Still, I appreciate you maintaining such a vastly amusing, if > >>off-topic thread. > >>> > >>> > > > > "There is more in heaven and earth Ollie, than was ever dreamed of > >in your philosophy..." -- or something like that. I wonder just how > >much is going on that affects us deeply, yet we are unaware of on a > >conscious level. As to this Peter M. fellow "believing in this > >stuff", well, I'm inclined to not completely discount anything just > >because I haven't experienced it myself. There may come a night when > >you find yourself floating three feet above your body and you discover > >you have the ability to walk through walls. While you're readjusting > >your world-view, you might ask yourself, "Am I being paranoid > >*enough*?" > > Just some 4 am thoughts... :) > > > > -Slits > > Heh, this is funny, since my girlfriend oftens tells me how > paranoid I am. Of course, that's in regard to my objections to her > wandering the city at midnight "just to get some air", but > nevertheless. > I don't discount anything. Maybe telepaths are running the > government. Maybe Jesus is coming soon. Maybe the Dragon will be > reborn. Who knows? In the absence of any proof, however, I'll live my > life as a good old-fashioned empiricist. > > > > > >______________________________________________ > >| | > >| Slits Makane, | > >| Warlord of Saturn | > >| cultist@voicenet.com | > >| http://www.voicenet.com/~cultist | > >| "I'll get a bowl of plastic fruit | > >| and a microwave oven too, | > >| and I'll have the neighbors over | > >| for a weenie barbeque." |