>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDS00012 Date: 09/22/96 From: BA ROMARON Time: 2:46:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Martin Bryant Victim From: "Ba Romaron" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: DIALix Services, Sydney, Australia. Original Date: 22 Sep 1996 09:20:51 +1000 [ Article reposted from aus.legal,aus.general,aus.politics ] [ Author was Ba Romaron ] [ Posted on 22 Sep 1996 08:50:50 +1000 ] Paul Parker (parker0@ibm.net) wrote: : When someone is not capable of caring and protecting themself : for whatever reason their rights are not diminished, rather our : responsibility to ensure their rights are protected increases. : : Children are alive and as such are entitled to the same : level of rights as anyone else. : : Whether the actions of children may be restricted with purpose : protecting their rights to health and opportunity as adults has : been strongly debated previously. : : With the unborn, argument is over whether we accept the : unborn as being alive [- btw: I do], if this is accepted then : their rights are the same as for other children and the rest : of us. Yes, you're right. And the fact that they are alive and growing is patently obvious. It's only the desperate attempts of the pro-abortion groups to justify their unjustifiable stand, that makes them deny the obvious aliveness of the baby in the womb. : Are there legal definitions of life ? : : Can these be applied to the mentally diminished, the dying, : the unborn ? Any genuine or realistic definition of life would have to include the mentally diminished, the soon-to-die, and the unborn. Normally, a scientific definition would specify that life is when the soul is attached to the body and providing the vital life force. But science is simply not sufficiently advanced at this stage to be able to tell. Leaving aside the various religious theories about the soul, which are inconclusive at best, I would say that just as the five senses tell us about the material level, the only way we can perceive the higher level is to listen more carefully to the higher senses. The higher senses, including the conscience, the intuition, and similar senses would have to be highly active in the scientist in order for them to be able to sense when the soul is present, and from that ability would arise a genuine legal definition of life. Unfortunately, so many people in this day and age have their higher senses diminished by the noise of the ego, which disturbs the inner peace, and so renders the person less capable of hearing the more subtle vibrations of the higher realms. To use an analogy, it's like trying to listen to a soft distant violin playing beautiful music, while there is a noisy jackhammer, (pneumatic drill), digging up the pavement just outside the window. Hence there are not enough people who are sufficiently spiritually advanced to be able to agree on a legal definition of life. If we had a large number of politicians like Benjamin Franklin, scientists like Albert Einstein, and others who listen to the higher levels of their consciousness, we could achieve it, but unfortunately those sort of people are all too rare in our society. In the meantime, we'll just have to rely on the the signs of life that distinguishes living things from non-living things, namely, their structure, locomotion, nutrition, respiration, excretion, sensitivity, ability to reproduce, (dormant at some stages), and having a life cycle. Again, even these standard definitions include the unborn, the mentally handicapped, and those who are expected to die in the near future. You may be interested to know the following story. I was chatting with a doctor from St Vincent's Hospital, near where I live, and he told me of a patient who had cardiac arrest in the hospital, after which there was no sign of life. There was no breathing, no pulse, and not even any brain waves, after a great deal of effort to revive him. He was examined by three doctors, and as he had no visible sign of life, was pronounced dead. One doctor wrote out his death certificate and he was taken to the morgue. At the morgue, an assistant inserted a needle into a vein in preparation for draining his blood and injecting some sort of saline solution, when he noticed a movement. But it wasn't the type of movement that corpses occasionally make! He was rushed back to intensive care, and, at the time the doctor was telling me the story, was home playing tennis with his family. He had the death certificate framed and put on his wall, as a souvenir. No doubt there are other occasions where a better definition of life could help also. A man like the Tibetan Lama, Sogyal Rinpoche, who would be able to tell when the soul is still present, is needed. I have no doubt that in the future there will be many of them. Ba Romaron -- |\ _,,,---,,_ Ba Romaron ZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ romaron@sydney.DIALix.oz.au |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' http://sydney.DIALix.oz.au/~romaron '---''(_/--' `-'\_) -- |\ _,,,---,,_ Ba Romaron ZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ romaron@sydney.DIALix.oz.au |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' http://sydney.DIALix.oz.au/~romaron '---''(_/--' `-'\_) --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00000 Date: 09/23/96 From: JAL KAE Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Ego Briefs From: "Jal Kae" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Original Date: 21 Sep 1996 20:52:45 -0400 Ego Briefs What's an ego, anyway? Some say that it's an illusion while others say that it's the cause of all our problems. Let's define ego as *the combined pictures of reality that our mental, emotional, physical, and astral bodies produce.* It does not, however, include the pictures of the spiritual body (although the ego can use spiritual information to inflate itself). The ego is our mortal consciousness. (A picture of reality is a belief about what is real. We develop these beliefs from our experiences, social training, and religious dogma. Also, we inherit them from our human-animal instincts and past life lessons.) We need an ego to relate to others and to make sense of our lives. It's part of our human equipment. Some groups recommend "ego death" as a way to reach God or become enlightened. The logic is that the ego keeps you bound to a material perspective. If you kill it, then you become free from the vanities of humanity. The catch, however, is that you can't divorce your body from its pictures. You can transcend its pictures, but you can't eliminate them. Size Egos come in three sizes: under-inflated, over-inflated and balanced. Under-inflated egos are introverted and yin. They are intimidated easily. Over-inflated egos are extroverted and yang. They have huge blind spots and hemorrhage when someone tells them what to do. When an ego becomes too under- or over-inflated, it becomes dysfunctional. Conversely, balanced egos use the yin and yang qualities appropriately. They appreciate themselves, know the importance of integrity, and understand that they aren't perfect. Seekers and Deniers We can further sort egos into two categories: Seekers and Deniers. Seekers crave love and acceptance. Love and acceptance motivate them. Deniers are dry and withhold love and acceptance, using denial as a control tool. Both groups manipulate and have unspoken demands. You can see this interplay between Seekers and Deniers everyday. Defense Egos must defend themselves, and the more extreme or entrenched the picture of reality, the greater the need to defend the picture. By identifying with our mortal consciousness, we mistakenly believe that we are defending ourselves rather than our pictures. Offense Egos take events personally and need to prove themselves right: They fight, and behave self-righteously. And they're critical and cynical, to boot. Mostly, egos are nobody's friend. They have a high need to control everything. Astrological archetypes shape how they express this control. A mortal consciousness feels secure when everything is predictable. That's why if you present them with something new - try to force it on them - you become the enemy. Battle Each picture of reality that our bodies produce is an identity in itself. We have hundreds of these self-contained fragments, and each fragment insists that its view is real. At times, these pictures of reality clash; internal conflicts arise. Moving On When we officially die, our ego dies. The astral body, a time-based entity, keeps the ego's memories, and it carries them into other lives. Eventually, however, the astral body with its lifetimes of experience dies as well. But if time is an illusion, then ego is no more than memories. Timeless spirit collects these memories and keeps them on file. ("There is nowhere to go and nothing to do but collect experience.") There is Here In the library at the end of time, spirit has recorded the experiences of all creatures that have ever lived. When this universe has run its course - the library is full - we leap back into the Source. In this place, we rest and wait to begin another adventure. The drama of today is but one poignant, distant memory. From a divine (and paradoxical) perspective, we're at that resting and waiting place, now. In Light, we are one. Evin Starbuilders ............................................................ For more information, e-mail: starbldr@gate.net. Say, "subscribe," and I'll send the most recent edition of Starbuilders periodical, "The Federation Flash." Visit http://www.lightwork.dk/Starbuilders -- In Light, we are one. | "We do our best, Spirit does the rest." | |-----------------------------------------| Evin Almana, | Visit our home page: | Starbuilders | http://www.lightwork.dk/Starbuilders | --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00001 Date: 09/23/96 From: ROBERT BRAVER Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <5216or$aro@usenet4.interram1:36:05109/23/96 From: "Robert Braver" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Original Date: 22 Sep 1996 01:29:04 GMT Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: PLAYGIRLMAG Original Subject: !NAKED MEN. FREE SAMPLES - http://www.playgirlmag.com --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00002 Date: 09/23/96 From: MASSOUD JOURABCHI Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: From: "massoud jourabchi" Newsgroups: lt.pagan,alt.pantyhose,alt.parallel.universes,alt.paranet.abduct, lt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.psi,alt paranet.science,alt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranorma Original Date: Subject: Re: When it sounds too good to be true... Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 22:01:14 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <01bba141$d8fe20e0$f646f0cd@sudjana> <323AC554.29BC@startext.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <323AC554.29BC@startext.net> Xref: shore.net alt.pagan:183498 alt.pantyhose:50407 alt.parallel.universes:2237 alt.paranet.abduct:9671 alt.paranet.metaphysics:4860 alt.paranet.paranormal:11680 alt.paranet.psi:7372 alt.paranet.science:6840 alt.paranet.skeptic:8229 alt.paranet.ufo:83210 alt.paranormal:41063 alt.paranormal.channeling:8510 On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Selby Evans wrote: > Chain letter schemes always sound too good to be true. And they are. > > > It's like Dogbert said: Maybe for your first crime you shouldn't put your name and address on it and send it to ten thousand strangers! TimeLady who is going mad at this very moment --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00003 Date: 09/23/96 From: ROBERT BRAVER Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <521vvj$i3h@usenet11.interra1:36:06109/23/96 From: "Robert Braver" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Original Date: 22 Sep 1996 05:39:28 GMT Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: NWNT Original Subject: This SLIT is open. FREE SAMPLES - http://www.nwnt.com/slit --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00004 Date: 09/23/96 From: PETER M. Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <51sc45$k36@mn5.swip.net> From: "Peter M." Newsgroups: lt.paranet.paranormal,alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.science,alt.par net.skeptic,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.binaries games,alt.binaries.misc,alt.binaries.multimedia,alt.binaries.mult Organization: - Original Date: 21 Sep 96 12:21:12 GMT These cancels are issued as a service to the Internet providers not wishing to carry articles of obscene and prurient nature. Sites that do not wish to take advantage of this free service can easily can opt out of these cancels by "aliasing out" the porncancel pseudosite. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00005 Date: 09/23/96 From: CHIN JOSEPH N Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Discussion on Light Body, Fav. Chann1:36:07109/23/96 From: "Chin Joseph N" <3jnc@qlink.queensu.ca> Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Original Date: 22 Sep 1996 04:00:43 GMT I have followed this up over email as the subject isn't relevant to this group. If there are others who are interested in the Light Body, feel free to email me for more info or see John Payne's (excellent) webpage at: http://www.box.nl/~jlpayne Namaste Nick --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DDT00006 Date: 09/23/96 From: COREY BREED Time: 1:36:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <51sl1s$lv6@boris.eden.com> From: "Corey Breed" Newsgroups: lt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal,alt.paranormal. hanneling,alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes magic,alt.parenting.solutions,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.parentin Original Date: 22 Sep 1996 08:24:32 GMT Spam cancelled by admin@afn.org -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Alachua Freenet Administrative & Tech Support * admin@afn.org --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1)