--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: FFQE3140Date: 11/21/98 From: DAY BROWN Time: 10:52am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: JOIN trying to join the group for my qwkmail. --------------- Next conference: FIDO Message Area Next topic: 258 Channeling FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCS00000 Date: 08/21/96 From: MONICA JESENSKY Time: 06:04pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Water Among Stars/1 Hello everyone : I thought I would share a report from a local paper which copied a wire from Seattle Times reporter Bill Dietrich about star explosions creating water in space. Monica -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- VIOLENT EXPLOSION OF STARS CREATES WATER IN SPACE By: Bill Dietrich, Seattle Times It's wet up there. Not just in the leaden skies, but in interstellar space. Astronomers used an infrared satellite launched by the European Space Agency last year to analyze the content of the dust between the stars and found water, both as ice and vapor. That discovery is helping break down the boundaries between the rich chemistry of Earth and the near-emptiness of space. Scientists have discovered not only water between the stars but vinegar (acetic acid), methyl alcohol, carbon monoxide, ammonia, and polyaromatic hydrocarbons, the carcinogenic PAH crust that can also turn up on barbecued meat. The picture presented at June's American Astronomical Society meeting was not the cold, static cosmos the sky appears to the naked eye but rather a violent, gorgeous and cyclic stellar ecosystem in which dying, exploding stars create the elements and compounds that later show up on planets, comets and astroids. Earth and our own bodies are the ultimate recycling triumph: Our atoms are the product of the exploding fires of old stars. And we drift, astronomers said, through vast clouds of interstellar dust containing many of the basic chemical building blocks of life. "The whole cycle is now complete with regard to water," said astronomer Thijs de Graauw of the Netherlands. The chemical reaction of an exploding star creates oxygen and combines it with hydrogen to make water, and then this water cools hot gases sufficiently to allow them to coalesce into new stars. "Stars form by the collapse of a cloud of gas and dust, but a buildup of heat inside the cloud makes the work of gravity harder, when it tries to compress the cloud," explains Ewine van Dishoeck, another Dutch astronomer. "Water enables the cloud to shed heat very efficiently. This facilitates star formation. Earthlings got a firsthand look at water from space in March when the comet Hyakutake, a "dirty snowball" with a diameter now estimated at about three miles, came within 9 million miles of Earth and put on the brightest comet show in 20 years. Astronomer Jean-Loup Bertaux of France has calculated that Hyakutake burned off 3 tons of water per second as it neared Earth and that the weight loss rose to 10 tons per second as the comet whipped around the sun. In all, Hyalutake spewed 100 million tons of vapor into space and lost about a tenth of a cubic kilometer of it's mass during the time it spent in the sun's inner solar system, Bertyaux calculated. In other words, he said, the comet was losing more than enough water to satisfy the needs of Madison, Wis., a city of about 200,000 people. Astronomers believe billions of such comets form a cloud around our solar system, a few of them jostled and falling inward toward the sun when a passing star disturbs their orbit. And Bertaux said crashing comets may have been the source of much of the water on Earth. Although the Earth may have coalesced from space debris that included water, much of this might have been lost if our planet collided with another in a smashup that is believed to have formed the moon. Comets "may have been a major source" of water replacement, the astronomer told reporters. Close-up examination of comet Hyakutake has revealed a much more complex visitor than the tadpole shaped nucleus and tail usually sketched. Hydrogen from the comet formed a cloud 10 million miles across during it's visit. Water evaporation on the side of the snowball facing the sun created jets of vapor that swirled sunward like the arcs of a sprinkler. A piece of snowball 600 feet in diameter broke off and followed in one of three different tails that formed of different materials. In other words, the more astronomers peer into space, the more intriguingly complex it becomes. There is a flood of discovery right now, triggered by technology. [continued in part 2] --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Eastern Light BBS 860/290-8578 10pm-9am Only (1:142/578) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCS00001 Date: 08/21/96 From: MONICA JESENSKY Time: 06:06pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Water Among Stars/2 [continued from part 1} The most significant change has been the computer, which is allowing astronomers to aim and focus telescopes, gather data and analyze it in ways impossible a decade ago. This is coupled with the launch of space telescopes using both visible light and other parts of the light spectrum such as infrared, plus a profusion of better, cheaper ground telescopes. Telescopes focusing on other parts of the light spectrum have produced the first strong evidence of planets orbiting other stars. Astronomers have also learned to take clever advantage of nature. Because light can take billions of years to reach Earth from distant objects, we can observe galaxies of stars as they appear in the past, turning the sky into a time machine. And because relativity bends distant light as it passes the gravitational attraction of objects, light from dim sources is artificially brightened by this "lens" effect, allowing more detail to be seen. Such improvements are raising as many questions as they are answering. While astronomers have found compelling radiation echoes of a Big Bang that may have started the universe, the process that led to the formation of galaxies, stars and planets is still poorly understood. Also unknown is the composition of anywhere from half to 99 percent of the matter in the universe, judging by how galaxies spin in relation to gravity. Some of the "dark matter" or "missing mass" appears to be in the form of dark or dead stars, near stars called brown dwarfs, planets and debris, but most of what creation is made of remains a mystery. Ultimately we are trying to understand the universe's origin and fate, explained Hugh Van Horn, director of astronomical sciences for the National Science Foundation. Right now, tax dollars are being directed primarily toward study of how teh universe evolved after the Big Bang, continued detection of new planets around other stars, exploration of our solar system and understanding of our sun. "We've discovered amino acids in space," Van Horn said, referring to the prescence of ammonia and vinegar that could combine to form them. "It's not that big a step from that to proteins and DNA. And it is the radio astronomers who are providing the hard evidence." [end of article] --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Eastern Light BBS 860/290-8578 10pm-9am Only (1:142/578) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCS00002 Date: 08/21/96 From: SELBY EVANS Time: 2:55:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: hmmm......... From: "Selby Evans" Newsgroups: lt.pantyhose,alt.parallel.universes,alt.paranet.abduct,alt.parane .forteana,alt.paranet.metaphysics,alt.paranet.paranormal,alt.para et.psi,alt.paranet.science,alt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,al Organization: StarText Information Service Original Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:28:08 -0500 Looks like a chain letter to me. Make money only for the people who start them. I always wonder why the people who join the chain bother to send money up the chain. They could just ignore that part if they want to pass on the chain. Steve Burgess wrote: > > Turn a measly $5 into $50,000! > --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCS00003 Date: 08/21/96 From: SNOWHARE@XMISSION.COM Time: 2:55:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: cmsg cancel <4ut8gj$e9n@bolivia.it.earth2:55:12008/21/96 From: snowhare@xmission.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Original Date: 21 Aug 96 12:47:33 GMT Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCS00004 Date: 08/21/96 From: SHELDON GREENBERG Time: 2:55:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: GHOSTHUNTERS From: "sheldon greenberg" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Direct Connection Original Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:14:30 GMT GHOSTHUNTERS is a TV series broadcast on DISCOVERY in Europe on Sunday and Wednesday evenings. We are seeking mediums, psychics or clairvoyants in Europe, especially Belgium, Holland, Denmark or northern France. Please be in touch. --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCT00000 Date: 08/21/96 From: MODERATOR Time: 10:50pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: RULES - PLEASE READ!! ************************************************************** CHANNELS Conference Rules - Updated June 30, 1994 ************************************************************** NOTE: these rules do NOT apply to alt.paranormal.channeling o This conference is for the discussion of Channels and related topics, including: - The messages that come from channelling - How to channel - What is channelling - Who channels - The entities giving the messages ************************************************************** o The Following are NOT ALLOWED at any time: 1. profane language. 2. Personal attacks against any person or organization 3. Long threads on topics not related to channelling 4. 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Glenda Stocks (Moderator) --- FileMgr 3103G * Origin: FileMgr -- The Ultimate Fileprocessor (1:330/201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCT00001 Date: 08/22/96 From: JUDY STEIN Time: 8:41:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: The Ascension or Destruction? Reply-to: jstein@cnct.com From: "Judy Stein" Newsgroups: lt.metaphysics.lightwork,alt.astrology,alt.divination,alt.conscio sness,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.alien.visitors,alt.freemasonr ,alt.religion.universal-life,alt.society.sovereign,alt.religion.a Organization: The Internet Connection (http://cnct.com) Original Date: 21 Aug 1996 17:02:17 -0400 In article <4va6n7$3qv@math.mps.ohio-state.edu>, troywill@math.ohio-state.edu (Troy Will) wrote: > In article , Judy Stein rote: > > > >Another difference is that it's easy to see the feminine > >personification of the earth as a metaphor--even the most > >rigorous scientists may refer to Mother Nature--whereas it's very > >difficult to conceive of the masculine sky god as anything but a > >religious belief; there's no metaphorical referent for him. > > I must disagree with your comment to Will. > Let me give you a metaphor for the "sky god". > > If the sky god did not impregnate the earth > goddess with rain, would she not remain barren? > > Just a thought. Er...Troy, where do you think the sky god's rain comes from? Someone suggested to me via email that volcanoes were an appropriate metaphor for a masculine deity, another interesting image. And it occurs to me that thunderbolts could serve as well. But I'm not sure any of this really counters my thesis, since when we speak of "Mother Nature" we are usually thinking of the entire ecosystem, which includes geological activity and the weather. Typically, the male sky god is pictured as being *beyond* the earth's ecosystem. The biblical sky god Yaweh is even beyond the solar system and the stars, since he created them in the beginning and controls their movements. In religions based on a masculine/feminine quality of deity, generally the feminine deity is *immanent* in the material realm, whereas the masculine deity is *transcendent* to it. In the Judeochristian tradition, the masculine deity has gone so far as to usurp the feminine entirely and is held to be both transcendent *and* immanent. The divine feminine quality persists in the Hebrew Scriptures as the abstract figure of Wisdom; in the Christian Scriptures she is personified as the purely human mother of the sky god's earthly incarnation. In both cases her role has been reduced to one that is submissive and unthreatening to the sky god's authority and control. (There are certainly exceptions and departures to be found all over the place; I'm just talking about overall trends.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Judy Stein * The Author's Friend * jstein@cnct.com + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- MailGate 0.25e * Origin: Ask your Fido Feed for I_UFO (1:330/201.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 258 CHANNELING Ref: DCT00002 Date: 08/22/96 From: SCOTT LAROCHE Time: 8:41:am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Hot Air "psychic" predictions From: "Scott LaRoche" Newsgroups: lt.prophecies.nostradamus,talk.religion.newage,alt.future.millenn ium,alt.paranormal.channeling Organization: Netcom Original Date: 22 Aug 1996 01:17:26 GMT >There comes forth in what you have called that >area to be northern TEXAS, a great wind that >will create the desert to be flatter than it has ever >been before. Sounds like a lot of hot air to me. Texans would be interested in knowing where this desert in northern Texas is. And define "flatter". Do you mean mountain ranges, canyons and hills will be compressed so that their is no change in elevation? Of course, "psychic" guesses are not known for accuracy, nor are the "psychics" making those guesses. ------------------------------------------- My World: http://members.aol.com/scroach1/homepage.htm Home of the famous Psychic Challenge!