--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F3M00001Date: 03/17/98 From: VERN FAULKNER Time: 10:10pm \/To: BOB PADDOCK (Read 1 times) Subj: Scar Tissue? BP> Any one have any ideas on how to prevent or slow down BP> the formation of Scar Tissue in the area of the spine? Supposedly, topical applications of Vitamin E do some good. Dunno myself if I can back that up: never tried. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Fox n' Dragon Inn BBS (472-8313, Victoria, BC) (1:340/44) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F3U00000Date: 03/23/98 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 09:57pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ADHD A message about ADHD cross-posted from an Internet USENET news group, alt.health KB> heyitsmeJB@webtv.net wrote: > My son was diagnosed with ADHD and ODD and was put on medication hes > doing fine at home but still having a rough time at school. I need help > if anybody knows of any working treatments besides medication please > respond. karen@brunnerbiz.com replied: KB> I have TWO sons with ADHD. One of them required Ritalin, the other, I KB> knew better by then (they're 7 yrs apart) and didn't even want to go KB> the medication route. KB> It was really easy to "treat" -- I made sure they got their dietary KB> supplements in liquid form (easy for the body to assimilate) twice a KB> day -- before school and right after school, before they started their KB> homework, and they also got multiple digestive enzymes with every KB> snack and meal. I know it sounds unbelievable, but their "symptoms" KB> went away in 48 hrs. KB> Nowadays, if they don't take their supplements, we can tell right away KB> because they can't concentrate, act and feel "hopeless" and KB> frustrated, and are just not happy. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v1.00 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F3W00000Date: 03/26/98 From: PETER TOKAR Time: 12:12am \/To: VERN FAULKNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Are you getting your mail? Hello Vern, Are you getting your mail regularly now, Vern? I wrote you two messages - one in netmail and another in ALTMED ECHO. I am still sick with a bad cold. Today, I felt somewhat improved. I am taking 3 x 500mg capsules per day of "SAW PALMETTO EXTRACT" in a product called "PROMEN." For an enlarged benign prostate problem, which causes urinary tract "discomfort" and "flowback" problems. At times I have acute bladder retention. Mostly, I get up every two hours during the night, but only "go a dribble." In late November, a few days before my appointment to see my Urologist about an upcoming surgery, I went in to the Emergency Department at Welland's General Hospital, and a male nurse inserted a catheter to drain my urine. This procedure was ordered by the Doctor who was on call. I sat quietly in a prone position with this catheter draining into a leg bag. The leg bag was so full after about three hours so that it "bulged." This was the first time that I had a catheter inserted while I was awake and aware of my discomfort. I will accept such procedures in the future. The main challenge for me, today, is to shed my excess weight - at least forty pounds. And I need to get my muscles toned and strengthened. My long term ideal would be to walk and hike long distances. Much like two heroic Canadians - Terry Fox, and Rick Hansen... They have done much to bring about awareness of the great needs that must be acknowledged and strived for by a large portion of rich and poor, ill and immune, knowledgeable persons and those who are continually learning new things. If I want to shed my inactive lifestyle, I will lose the tremendous burden that is put upon my cardiovascular system. I am also certain that my nervous system is caused a detriment by the excess weight and inactive lifestyle also. Write to me soon. I await your words of encouragement. Peter Tokar - FidoNet (1:247/110) unpublished phone number. ... Genius has limitations; stupidity is not so handicapped. --- PPoint 1.88 * Origin: .. Zephyr Online * Fidonet (1:247/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F3W00001Date: 03/19/98 From: PETE SNIDAL Time: 08:16am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: World Health Org.Report: Passive Smoking08:16:4303/19/98 --> Note: Forwarded (from: ANEWS) by Pete Snidal using timEd. Originally from Les Lemke (1:356/3.0) to All. Original dated: Mar 12 '98, 16:12 >WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORT WITHHELD International News The Electronic Telegraph England Sunday 8 March 1998 Issue 1017 Passive smoking doesn't cause cancer - official By Victoria Macdonald Health Correspondent THE world's leading health organisation has withheld from publication a study which shows that not only might there be no link between passive smoking and lung cancer but that it could even have a protective effect. The astounding results are set to throw wide open the debate on passive smoking health risks. The World Health Organisation, which commissioned the 12-centre, seven-country European study has failed to make the findings public, and has instead produced only a summary of the results in an internal report. Despite repeated approaches, nobody at the WHO headquarters in Geneva would comment on the findings last week. At its International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, which coordinated the study, a spokesman would say only that the full report had been submitted to a science journal and no publication date had been set. The findings are certain to be an embarrassment to the WHO, which has spent years and vast sums on anti-smoking and anti-tobacco campaigns. The study is one of the largest ever to look at the link between passive smoking - or environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) - and lung cancer, and had been eagerly awaited by medical experts and campaigning groups. Yet the scientists have found that there was no statistical evidence that passive smoking caused lung cancer. The research compared 650 lung cancer patients with 1,542 healthy people. It looked at people who were married to smokers, worked with smokers, both worked and were married to smokers, and those who grew up with smokers. The results are consistent with their being no additional risk for a person living or working with a smoker and could be consistent with passive smoke having a protective effect against lung cancer. The summary, seen by The Telegraph, also states: "There was no association between lung cancer risk and ETS exposure during childhood." A spokesman for Action on Smoking and Health said the findings "seem rather surprising given the evidence from other major reviews on the subject which have shown a clear association between passive smoking and a number of diseases." Roy Castle, the jazz musician and television presenter who died from lung cancer in 1994, claimed that he contracted the disease from years of inhaling smoke while performing in pubs and clubs. A report published in the British Medical Journal last October was hailed by the anti-tobacco lobby as definitive proof when it claimed that non-smokers living with smokers had a 25 per cent risk of developing lung cancer. But yesterday, Dr Chris Proctor, head of science for BAT Industries, the tobacco group, said the findings had to be taken seriously. "If this study cannot find any statistically valid risk you have to ask if there can be any risk at all. "It confirms what we and many other scientists have long believed, that while smoking in public may be annoying to some non-smokers, the science does not show that being around a smoker is a lung-cancer risk." The WHO study results come at a time when the British Government has made clear its intention to crack down on smoking in thousands of public places, including bars and restaurants. The Government's own Scientific Committee on Smoking and Health is also expected to report shortly - possibly in time for this Wednesday's National No Smoking day - on the hazards of passive smoking. ___ - Origin: Stargate Oregon - North Bend, Oregon USA (1:356/3) --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Kettle Valley Forum BBS - Grand Forks BC CANADA (1:354/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F3W00002Date: 03/21/98 From: URSULA NOBLE Time: 12:31pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Sore Thoarts. To Jane thankyou for writing to me. I will write soon. See you soon. Ursula. --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: The Midnight Talker BBS -=<0191 423 1826>=- CBBSA Home! 2:256/541) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F4200000Date: 03/30/98 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:23pm \/To: PETER TOKAR (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Prostate -=> Quoting Peter Tokar to Vern Faulkner <=- PT> I am taking 3 x 500mg capsules per day of "SAW PALMETTO EXTRACT" PT> in a product called "PROMEN." For an enlarged benign prostate PT> problem, which causes urinary tract "discomfort" and "flowback" PT> problems. At times I have acute bladder retention. PT> Mostly, I get up every two hours during the night, PT> but only "go a dribble." Along with SP Extract, how about eating more veggies either in their form or in capsule form? ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v1.00 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F4200001Date: 03/30/98 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:23pm \/To: PETER TOKAR (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: solution to weight loss -=> Quoting Peter Tokar to Vern Faulkner <=- PT> I wish to thank you very sincerely for your words PT> to me in this thread - on weight loss / aerobic exercise. PT> And concerning your own long distance cycling training PT> program, I bid you many strong weeks during this Spring PT> and Summer. May the wind always be at your back... Peter, you may want to take supplemental digestive enzymes with your meals. Cooked food does not contain any digestive enzymes. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v1.00 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F4200002Date: 03/25/98 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:31am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: ADHD GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: GL>A message about ADHD cross-posted from an Internet USENET news group, GL> alt.health GL> KB> heyitsmeJB@webtv.net wrote: GL> > My son was diagnosed with ADHD and ODD and was put on medication GL> > hes doing fine at home but still having a rough time at school. I GL> > need help if anybody knows of any working treatments besides GL> > medication please respond. For true ADHD there are no other "working treatments" that you can ingest. GL>karen@brunnerbiz.com replied: GL> KB> I have TWO sons with ADHD. One of them required Ritalin, the GL> KB> other, I knew better by then (they're 7 yrs apart) and didn't GL> KB> even want to go the medication route. Of course, she doesn't say what "she knew better"... GL> KB> It was really easy to "treat" -- I made sure they got their GL> KB> dietary supplements in liquid form (easy for the body to GL> KB> assimilate) twice a day -- before school and right after school, GL> KB> before they started their homework, and they also got multiple GL> KB> digestive enzymes with every snack and meal. I know it sounds GL> KB> unbelievable, but their "symptoms" went away in 48 hrs. Since it has been shown hundreds of times that true ADHD is not diet related, i.e., it is neither caused by ingestible substances or treatable with any ingestible substance other than medication, this is either placebo effect, not true ADHD, sales hype or just plain old male bovine excreta. GL> KB> Nowadays, if they don't take their supplements, we can tell GL> KB> right away because they can't concentrate, act and feel GL> KB> "hopeless" and frustrated, and are just not happy. And, if they grow up with true ADHD and are not properly treated, they will be miserable until adequately treated. For REAL information, not some old wives tales, try: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhd.htm Just the facts. Not hype. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F4200003Date: 03/27/98 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:49pm \/To: PETE SNIDAL (Read 1 times) Subj: World Health Org.Report: PETE SNIDAL was thinking about World Health Org.Report: and keyed into cyberspace: PS>--> Note: PS>Forwarded (from: ANEWS) by Pete Snidal using timEd. PS>Originally from Les Lemke (1:356/3.0) to All. PS>Original dated: Mar 12 '98, 16:12 PS>>WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORT WITHHELD PS>International News PS>The Electronic Telegraph PS>England PS>Sunday 8 March 1998 PS>Issue 1017 PS> PS> Passive smoking doesn't cause cancer - official PS> By Victoria Macdonald PS> Health Correspondent PS>THE world's leading health organisation has withheld from publication PS>a study which shows that not only might there be no link between PS>passive smoking and lung cancer but that it could even have a PS>protective effect. PS>The astounding results are set to throw wide open the debate on PS>passive smoking health risks. The World Health Organisation, which PS>commissioned the 12-centre, seven-country European study has failed PS>to make the findings public, and has instead produced only a summary PS>of the results in an internal report. PS>Despite repeated approaches, nobody at the WHO headquarters in Geneva PS>would comment on the findings last week. At its International Agency PS>for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, which coordinated the study, PS>a spokesman would say only that the full report had been submitted to PS>a science journal and no publication date had been set. PS>The findings are certain to be an embarrassment to the WHO, which has PS>spent years and vast sums on anti-smoking and anti-tobacco campaigns. PS>The study is one of the largest ever to look at the link between PS>passive smoking - or environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) - and lung PS>cancer, and had been eagerly awaited by medical experts and PS>campaigning groups. PS>Yet the scientists have found that there was no statistical evidence PS>that passive smoking caused lung cancer. The research compared 650 PS>lung cancer patients with 1,542 healthy people. It looked at people PS>who were married to smokers, worked with smokers, both worked and PS>were married to smokers, and those who grew up with smokers. PS>The results are consistent with their being no additional risk for a PS>person living or working with a smoker and could be consistent with PS>passive smoke having a protective effect against lung cancer. The PS>summary, seen by The Telegraph, also states: "There was no PS>association between lung cancer risk and ETS exposure during PS>childhood." PS>A spokesman for Action on Smoking and Health said the findings "seem PS>rather surprising given the evidence from other major reviews on the PS>subject which have shown a clear association between passive smoking PS>and a number of diseases." Roy Castle, the jazz musician and PS>television presenter who died from lung cancer in 1994, claimed that PS>he contracted the disease from years of inhaling smoke while PS>performing in pubs and clubs. PS>A report published in the British Medical Journal last October was PS>hailed by the anti-tobacco lobby as definitive proof when it claimed PS>that non-smokers living with smokers had a 25 per cent risk of PS>developing lung cancer. But yesterday, Dr Chris Proctor, head of PS>science for BAT Industries, the tobacco group, said the findings had PS>to be taken seriously. "If this study cannot find any statistically PS>valid risk you have to ask if there can be any risk at all. PS>"It confirms what we and many other scientists have long believed, PS>that while smoking in public may be annoying to some non-smokers, the PS>science does not show that being around a smoker is a lung-cancer PS>risk." The WHO study results come at a time when the British PS>Government has made clear its intention to crack down on smoking in PS>thousands of public places, including bars and restaurants. PS>The Government's own Scientific Committee on Smoking and Health is PS>also expected to report shortly - possibly in time for this PS>Wednesday's National No Smoking day - on the hazards of passive PS>smoking. Of course some idiot will now start whining about allowing smoking in restaurants, etc. much to the detriment of those with COPD, Emphysema, asthma, etc. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F4200004Date: 03/30/98 From: VERN FAULKNER Time: 10:12pm \/To: PETER TOKAR (Read 1 times) Subj: solution to weight loss PT> 34 minutes counting from time leaving until I returned home PT> to give my Aunt Pat her mail. Then, I had a bowl of oatmeal. PT> And a cup of coffee. And I set out for another walk. Coffee, as I have recently discovered, isn't exactly the healthiest thing you can have. In fact, my personal opinion is that caffiene is an assult to the system. For one, it is a diuretic: makes you lose water. Most persons trying to lose weight have to over-hydrate, not the other way around. Further, the presence of caffiene in the system triggers the release of dopamines - a chemical that causes one to feel less energetic and sleepy: a way of the body countering all that whiz-pow-zowie caffiene, if you will. The problem is that the dopamines work long after the caffiene does - meaning you feel lazy and sleepy - certainly not the right goal. :) PT> This time, I went south from my Aunt Pat's house around the PT> block, which took me 45 minutes, until I returned to Pat's PT> house. Then, I returned home to my office area, where my As an aside, I think that walking is considered to burn 200 calories an hour. PT> Check these whenever you want to: PT> http://www.iaw.on.ca/~ptokar/ - for my Dad. PT> http://www.iaw.on.ca/~petert/ - for me. PT> I will be updating and changing these two www home pages I'm www challenged, sorry. I did use to design and layout pages for a sportsjournal, though, so if I ever _do_ get webificated, I may (upon reminder) take you up on a raincheck. PT> You hit the nail right on the head with these comments. PT> I need to walk as many miles as I possibly can go. PT> Daily! Not, just on the weekends. Exactly. You may have - in the mail which generated this reply - hit upon a key thing: a log. Now, I keep a log of my cycling, which may seem reasonable, given it is tracking preparation for a more obviously competative goal. However, the difference isn't as vast as it seems. I'm tracking my exercise, with "minor" goals on the way. No reason you can't, either. That way you can see if you've slacked off, or improved. I keep track of my weight as well, which gives me an idea of where I'm going. It isn't as useful anymore, but it sure as heck was back in September-December,when the weight was coming off much faster. Keeping track of daily weight gives you a more general idea of where you're at. One day's measurement won't do - because of the very fluctuations you'll come to know and be frustrated at if you check everyday. PT> By-the-way, did you get the other messages that I sent for you? PT> One was a list of Web Page addresses and USENET addresses about PT> cycling from the INTERNET RESEARCH DIRECTORY, which I picked up No - at least, not yet. There was a bit of a FIDOburp here, but that seems to have been ironed out. PT> to me in this thread - on weight loss / aerobic exercise. PT> And concerning your own long distance cycling training PT> program, I bid you many strong weeks during this Spring PT> and Summer. May the wind always be at your back... Ironically, it has been anything *BUT* at my back for the last couple weeks. Still, the good news is that my knee is holding together. I was wondering where it would be at this time, but other than a minor twinge due to walking a long way with improper shoes, it has been _FABULOUS_. At this point, I don't know whether its due to the Glucosamine Sulfate/Chondroitin Sulfate I've been taking, or whether it's due to chriropractic attention and better muscle balance. I won't be taking chances, that's for sure. One thing I have noted, however, is that _something_ in my diet is giving me horrid bouts of gas. I just can't narrow down what it is... By the way, if you pick up the DIETING echo, it might be a better place to continue this discussion.... --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Fox n' Dragon Inn BBS (472-8313, Victoria, BC) (1:340/44)