--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG^00000Date: 12/30/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:37am \/To: BARBARA BUCKANTZ (Read 1 times) Subj: St. John's Wort BB> Has anyone ever convinced their doctor that they should be allowed to BB> try the above for depression, or has anyone just gone and tried it on BB> their own, knowing they were mildly depressed, but had not previously BB> seeked a physician's/psychiatrist's care? My daughter-in-law's father was mildly depressed, she suggested St. john's Wort to him, and he has felt better since taking it. That's all I know! --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG^00001Date: 12/29/97 From: BARBARA BUCKANTZ Time: 11:26pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: St. John's Wort Has anyone ever convinced their doctor that they should be allowed to try the above for depression, or has anyone just gone and tried it on their own, knowing they were mildly depressed, but had not previously seeked a physician's/psychiatrist's care? --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG^00002Date: 12/30/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 06:22am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Query: Bromylene? DS>I also like Pycnogenol. I have a knee problem from a car accident and hen DS>it gets aching really badly I take some of that and the pain stops. ourse DS>that just might be me but worth a try. I am finding out that some topical creams are fine for my knee, those that do not have a pepper base. Just found "Pain Relief Gel" put out by Fred Meyer that has Menthol with Aloe Vera and NO PEPPER in it. It knocks the pain out of the knee in a hurry. --- SLMR 2.1a hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG^00003Date: 12/29/97 From: SUE ALEXANDER Time: 10:22am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Sue Alexander: SA>> major medical concerns like asthma or immune difficulties the shot SA>> may be useful (talk to your doctor), but for most healthy adults SA>> under 65 or so it is not considered that useful. MP> Well, not exactly. If you are someone who seems to get sick and it MP> lasts and lasts, a flu shot makes good sense. SA> Um, I was talking about the pneumonia vaccine. Pray tell...what is the SA>point you were trying to convey here? JK> There are over 30 known organisms that cause "pneumonia". We don't JK> vaccinate for all of them. Gee, no kidding? ;( I know that, Jane. There are probably much more than 30 organisms, as if a person is immunocompromised alot of normal flora can cause illness, even pneumonia. I warned Sharon not to expect that a pneumo shot would keep her from getting pneumonia for that very reason. JK> The virus will mutate greatly from one year to the next. I will JK> ususally pick up a two week bout of whatever is going around early JK> in the season, generally in October, then be able to fight off being JK> sick for the rest of the winter. I presume here that you are talking about the influenza virus. This (as I am sure you know) is a yearly vaccine for the reason you state, and all the epidemiologists can do is take an educated guess as to which flu viruses will be most prevalent and make a vaccine to those viruses. Getting the "flu shot" does not mean you will not get influenza...it just means that you will not get the influenza that they expect may make the rounds that year. ... Are part-time band leaders semi-conductors? --- timEd/386 1.10 * Origin: Transylvanian Tap (1:121/45.23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG^00004Date: 12/29/97 From: SUE ALEXANDER Time: 10:32am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: advice please Dia Spriggs wrote in a message to Sharon Mccormick: > That sounds odd to me, Dia. Have you asked your doctor > about it? DS> Drs now only surger and then they don't know you anymore. The DS> anesthesia they use now stays with you longer, makes you forget and DS> messes up the brain for awhile..nasty feeling..can't remember much DS> and brain keeps kicking out of gear so you just sit there and wonder DS> what they heck you were doing...it will wear off eventually..(I DS> hope)... If you are still having problems with this, you may want to go to your doctor and ask about kidney function tests and liver function tests. If either of these systems are not working well it can cause the symptoms you describe, and anesthesia can cause damage to these organs in certain individuals. Sue ... Can I borrow some Duck tape? My duck is quacked. --- timEd/386 1.10 * Origin: Transylvanian Tap (1:121/45.23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F1100000Date: 12/31/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:16am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Info on MSM Information on a natural dietary supplement called MSM, or methylsulfonylmethane [save message for latter reference] EG> MSM: An Essential Dietary Sulfur! EG> MSM was first isolated by Robert Herschler, working for Crown EG> Zellerbach in Portland, Oregon. Both he and Dr. Stanley Jacob of the EG> University of Oregon Medical School, have done extensive research and EG> testing on this exciting substance. EG> MSM, or methylsulfonylmethane, is a natural, organic sulfur compound, EG> found in all living things. This form of organic sulfur is the forth EG> most prevalent mineral in the human body. In his research, Dr. Jacob EG> determined that the sulfur in MSM, called sulfonyl, is as safe and as EG> important as vitamin C in our diet, unlike the bad sulfurs: sulfa, EG> sulfate, sulfite and sulfide. EG> Sulfur a Major Key To Health: EG> MSM comes from the ocean and is a prime source of bio-available EG> sulfur, which is lost from our food because of storage, processing, EG> drying, cooking and preserving. MSM is an important food (not a drug or EG> medicine) and plays many roles in the body, including the stimulation EG> of the growth of healthy skin, hair and nails. It is needed by the body EG> for healthy connective tissues and joint function, proper enzyme EG> activity and hormone balance, along with the proper function of the EG> immune system. Because bio-nutritional sulfur plays such a major role EG> in these healthy body functions and others, Doctors Herschler and Jacob EG> found that supplementation with MSM can improve many conditions such EG> as: allergies, asthma, emphysema, lung dysfunction, arthritis, head EG> aches, skin problems, stomach problems, digestive tract problems, EG> circulation, cell osmosis and absorption. EG> What MSM Does: EG> MSM makes cell walls permeable, allowing water and nutrients to freely EG> flow into cells and allowing wastes and toxins to properly flow out. EG> The building blocks of the body, amino acids, are all sulfur binders EG> and play a major role in the production of hormones and enzymes which EG> regulate the body's activities. EG> MSM and vitamin C are used by the body together to build healthy new EG> cells. MSM provides the flexible bond between the cells. Without MSM, EG> the new cell is not permeable, and osmosis is hampered. These cells EG> lose their flexibility, like scar tissue, wrinkles, vericose veins, EG> hardened arteries or the damaged lung tissues of a person with EG> emphysema. EG> Conditions Aggravated by MSM Deficiency: EG> Allergies EG> Sore Joints and Muscles EG> Chronic Fatigue EG> Elevated Cholesterol EG> Candida 'Yeast' Infections EG> Soft & Chipping Nails, Hair Loss EG> Wrinkles EG> Scar Tissue EG> Lung Dysfunction EG> Diabetes EG> Ulcers EG> Migraine Headaches EG> Alzheimer's EG> Diverticulosis EG> Scar Tissue: EG> Burn victim, Bill Rich, discovered MSM for himself when a veterinarian EG> friend had him try MSM. Bill's explains that his skin was flat, purple EG> and leathery, up and down a majority of the right side of his body. EG> After only a few days of taking MSM, Bill noticed an increase of EG> stamina and energy, and over time an astonishing effect on his scarred EG> skin as it started to turn pink and fill in. Now Bill has little more EG> than a small section of skin that is still barely detectable after EG> having more than 60 feet of skin graft scars. After years of using MSM EG> and helping others, Bill Rich lectures in the benefits of MSM. EG> Wrinkles: EG> When the body replaces old skin cells, if there is a deficiency of EG> MSM, the new cells can be stiff and contribute to wrinkling. MSM EG> supplementation can help the body replace bad cells with good, healthy, EG> elastic cells. Over time, wrinkles can go away, and brown and black EG> spots and skin tumors can flow away as new cells replace the bad. EG> Damaged Skin: EG> It is the MSM in Aloe Vera leaves that sooths and repairs skin that EG> has been cut, scraped, burned or damaged. The body then is able to EG> repair the skin with the proper raw materials. EG> Lung Dysfunction: EG> Bill Rich says that emphysema is not caused by smoking. Horses and EG> dogs get emphysema, and they don't smoke! It is a deficiency of MSM EG> that causes this condition, and supplementation of MSM can reverse it. EG> Diabetes: EG> Even diabetics that have been 'on the needle' for years can benefit EG> from MSM supplementation. Bill Rich sites several examples of his EG> friends that are now self regulating since they have discovered MSM. EG> Sore Joints and Muscles: EG> Testimonials of many athletes attest to the ability of MSM to increase EG> athletic stamina and eliminate sore muscles! MSM increases the ability EG> of the body to eliminate wastes and toxins from the cells. EG> Ulcers: EG> Ulcers, caused by too much stomach acids can be reversed by MSM EG> supplementation. Tagament covers up the symptoms, doing nothing to EG> relieve the problem. MSM corrects the problem. EG> Migraine Headaches: EG> Women don't have the headaches, hot flashes, cramps and nausea EG> associated with the monthly cycle when they use MSM. Even migraine EG> headaches can melt away. EG> Alzheimer's: EG> Bill Rich theorizes that Alzheimer's is caused by aluminum and lythium EG> salts that are trapped in the brain causing the electrical impulses to EG> be 'shorted' out, so they aren't going on the right path. Without EG> proper circulation and the detoxification of MSM, this condition robs EG> millions of their golden years. MSM facilitates the body's ability to EG> clean out these toxins. EG> Allergic Reactions: EG> MSM is an Anti-Venom that can quickly bind up foreign proteins such as EG> snake bites, flea bites, black widow bites, bee stings and mosquito EG> bites. MSM is also an anti-oxidant that detoxifies the body. EG> Candida Infections, Chronic Fatigue: EG> Candida is a yeast that normally lives in the colon. If body pH gets EG> out of whack, Candida can spread to other areas in the body. If the EG> body pH is right, Candida cannot live outside the colon. Women EG> sometimes get Candida yeast infections. When the doctor prescribes an EG> antibiotic, that can send the body pH further off kilter and the EG> Candida can spread. The white coating on the tongue is Candida. It can EG> even get into the brain, where it is called epilepsy. In the blood, EG> Candida will rob the nutrition and energy away from the body, causing a EG> so called 'incurable' disease called Chronic Fatigue. When the body EG> burns energy it produces toxins, if toxins aren't properly removed, EG> this is the result. Bill Rich explains how MSM can take care of this EG> disease of the 90's. EG> Cholesterol: EG> Bill exclaims that if your body is functioning like it should, EG> cholesterol will not be a problem. Your body will regulate it EG> naturally. By taking MSM as a supplement, Bill can eat what he pleases EG> and his cholesterol count is always normal. EG> Diverticulosis: EG> Diverticulosis is where the large intestine gets sluggish, clogged, EG> and quits pulsing properly. The feces stop moving properly, and EG> nutrition is not passed through the intestine walls. MSM smoothes the EG> coating of the intestine with a Teflon like coating, and the feces EG> start moving properly. Diverticulosis is an MSM and Vitamin C EG> deficiency. EG> Additional Benefits of MSM: EG> MSM has been found to improve athletic performance and is a tremendous EG> energy booster. MSM will cause your nails to grow twice as fast, and EG> you will find that your hair will be thicker and healthier. Finger EG> nails have more sulfur in them than any other part of the body! End of message ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F1100001Date: 12/31/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:16am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Sources for MSM [save message for later reference] The following well-established commerical company is one source for MSM: Home Cure 1-800-559-2873 They have MSM in capsule, powder, and lotion form. The powder form does have a taste to it. They also have an audio; video tapes and a book explaining MSM. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F1100002Date: 12/31/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:09am \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again SA> I presume here that you are talking about the influenza virus. This SA> am sure you know) is a yearly vaccine for the reason you state, and all h SA> epidemiologists can do is take an educated guess as to which flu viruses SA> be most prevalent and make a vaccine to those viruses. Getting the "flu h SA> does not mean you will not get influenza...it just means that you will ot SA> the influenza that they expect may make the rounds that year. Yep, and that's all they can do! I get the flu shot yearly, and still get flu, but I don't get as sick as I did without the shot. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F1100003Date: 12/31/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 12:2:am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: advice please There's a good article in the Alternative Medicine Digest about Arthritis..you might want to pick up a copy.. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: F1100004Date: 12/31/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 12:6:am \/To: STEPHEN NASH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Irritable bowel syndrome Yes..LOTS Of acidolphilus.....I've heard that it can really stop that problem..also have you tried increasing your fiber intake? --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68)