--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00007Date: 12/16/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 02:41pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again MP> I did get the big flu shot this year. We get it every year, I need to look into the pneumonia one too though. We just got back from a fast trip....Cleveland Oh to Clearwater Fl, drove down, 2 days there, drove back....all the way on the road people were complaining of this virus, coughing, headaches, etc. I guess it is all over the country! --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGM00000Date: 12/16/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:26am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Website I recently found a website for those of you interested in alternative medicine and getting some facts. http://www.quackwatch.org While it may appear that this is an anti-alternative med site, reading the articles (there are over 200) says just the opposite, e.g., we had a recent thread about shark cartilage and how it helps arthritis. The article on glucosomine(??) is quite favorable, and, in fact,reported double blind, placebo controlled studies showing safety and efficacy. (BTW, now who said that "all natural substances" are not tested because the expense is too great, etc. etc.???) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00000Date: 12/17/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:29am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: advice please DS> Anyone survived gall bladder surgery? About 26 years ago. Ended up in the hospital for 3 weeks over the darned thing. I'm a bleeder....then I split the stitches open a couple of days after the operation. didn't like it one bit (g) DS> How does one get anesthesia out of the body? I had two surgeries and my DS> is refusing to function other than basic survival skills. That sounds odd to me, Dia. Have you asked your doctor about it? --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00001Date: 12/17/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:33am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again MP> Well, not exactly. If you are someone who seems to get sick and it lasts MP> and lasts, a flu shot makes good sense. My grandfather died in the flu of 1918, both grandmothers died of flu and complications later, in the 50s. My dad died of it in the late 80s. My husband works in a closed building, sick building syndrome abounds... so that these darned bugs just keep going round and round! But as to the pneumonia shot being advised only for the elderly...I'll be 62 soon, so I guess I'm getting around to where I qualify! ;-) --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00002Date: 12/17/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:36am \/To: TIM ARNOLD (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: It is happening again TA> Take a garlic oil (the one with the special coating to stop you burping t TA> back). The odurless garlic has all the good stuff removed (the odour is h TA> chemical that does the virus killing). so one to three or even four apsul TA> a day is good. no more than ten tho coz it thins the blood. I'd rather have my garlic in the clove than in the capsule! ;-) --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00003Date: 12/16/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 11:59pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: medicinal plants URL 4. Kohler's Medizinal Pflanzen (Medicinal Plants) http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/research/library/kohler/welcome.html The Missouri Botanical Garden recently released an electronic version of Hermann A. Kohler's 1887 magnus opus, _Medizinal-Pflanzen_, a three-volume set of "plants of medicinal interest from several European nations." Over 270 chromolithographic illustrations have been digitized from slides and included in this browseable site. The Tour of Illustrations section leads the visitor, one by one, through individual illustrations from the book. Each illustration is labeled with the family name at the top and the scientific (Latin) name at the bottom of the page. Following this is a section of thumbnail images of the illustrations, each of which is linked to a larger illustration. The final section contains an alphabetical list of scientific names, each name being linked to a full page illustration. Common names are not given, nor is there a search function at this time. [AG] Happy holidaze, Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech E-mail: y.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a uman <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefots humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... Free Mumia Abu Jamal, Leonard Peltier, and all political prisoners! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00004Date: 12/17/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 12:03am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: It is happening again -=> On 12-09-97 19:13, Dia Spriggs typed to Sue Alexander <=- -=> Re: Re: It is happening again <=- Hi Dia, > The pneumonia shot is only a vaccine to one of the > common bacteria that cause pneumonia (named Streptococcus > pneumoniae). You may still get pneumonia if you get the DS> DS> I thought vaccines were against virus, not bacteria. I was told that DS> the pneumonia vaccine would only protect against viral pneumonia, not DS> bacterial. If you were not under the influnece of strong toxins (anesthetics) I'd suggest you re-read that microbiology text. Its always the obvious that trips us up. Polio vaccine = protection against polio *bacteria* ??? I think NOT. Polio is a virus. I'm sure that since typing the above, you've remembered that vaccines can be for bacteria OR viruses. As for getting over the the anesthetic, I reccomend lots of fresh air, plenty of fluids to help flush out the residual toxins. Don't drink any alcohol or take any downers - prescribed or herbal. And if you come to San Francisco, you could smoke some legal medical marijuana to ease you through the course of your recovery Happy holidaze, Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech E-mail: y.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a uman <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefots humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... ==>> Team Forward(c) ==>> leading the paradigm shift to sustainability ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00005Date: 12/17/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 12:17am \/To: VERN FAULKNER (Read 1 times) Subj: can't argue with OBS -=> On 12-04-97 19:13, Vern Faulkner typed to Jane Kelley <=- -=> Re: On Drug Laws <=- Hi Vern, ------------------- snip ! 8< --------------------- VF> There's an old chap who stated "the wise man is one who realizes he VF> knows nothing." Happens to be an idol of mine. Noted for creating a VF> method of inquiry designed to make people realize that what they say VF> isn't what they mean, and what they mean, they don't understand. VF> So. Answer me the question, and we can move onwards: Exactly what - in VF> the current system of law and medicine - does the legality of a VF> material have to do with its effect on the human body, and its VF> potential social harms? VF> And if you fail to answer _again_, I'll merely proceed to ask the same VF> question in a different manner, your lack of politeness and civility VF> to me notwithstanding. You have made a claim, then countered it with VF> the exact opposite, then you've gone back. I've lost track of what your VF> actual opinion on legality of chemicals is, and the reasons for them. You'll never ever win an argument or debate with someone with Organic Brain Syndrome. All that drug "research" Jane did in her younger and wilder days has taken it's toll. It's better to just humor them and shinme them on. After all for some people, this online stuff is their only chance to interact with others. We may all wind up in that condition eventually. But not me. I have a date with Dr. Kevorkian. :-) Have a holly, jolly Christmas ...  Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech E-mail: y.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a uman <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefots humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... I have seen the enemy. And they are us ! - Pogo (c) Walt Kelly ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGN00006Date: 12/18/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 9:23:am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: It is happening again > As for getting over the the anesthetic, I reccomend lots of > fresh > air, plenty of fluids to help flush out the residual toxins. > Don't > drink any alcohol or take any downers - prescribed or > herbal. > > And if you come to San Francisco, you could smoke some legal > medical marijuana to ease you through the course of your > recovery And for you how about a large cake of lye soap for your nasty mouth... > --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68)