--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGJ00003Date: 12/13/97 From: SUE ALEXANDER Time: 01:53am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again MARK PROBERT wrote in a message to SUE ALEXANDER: SA> The pneumonia shot is only a vaccine to one of the common SA>bacteria that cause pneumonia (named Streptococcus pneumoniae). You SA>may still get pneumonia if you get the shot, just like you may still SA>get the flu if you get a flu shot... it would just be caused by SA>something other than what you were vaccinated against. If you have SA>major medical concerns like asthma or immune difficulties the shot SA>may be useful (talk to your doctor), but for most healthy adults SA>under 65 or so it is not considered that useful. MP> Well, not exactly. If you are someone who seems to get sick and it MP> lasts and lasts, a flu shot makes good sense. Um, I was talking about the pneumonia vaccine. Pray tell...what is the point you were trying to convey here? Sue ... The Borg Are Back An' There's Gonna Be Trouble, Hey Na, Hey Na... --- timEd/386 1.10 * Origin: Transylvanian Tap (1:121/45.23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGJ00004Date: 12/15/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:13am \/To: TIM ARNOLD (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Colds & Vitamin C -=> Quoting Tim Arnold to Dia Spriggs <=- TA> vitamin C is not a miracle drug on its own. take it with a multi TA> vitamin or with a mineral supplement (Biospectrum 26 is the best one - TA> its especially good for asthma and arthritis). Is the Biospectrum 26 local to New Zealand? What company makes it? What components make it good for asthma and arthritis? Thanks. George from USA. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGJ00005Date: 12/13/97 From: AMY M. Time: 08:31am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: She's back DS>I noticed....dont' get aggravated..just go on past... Nice to be back on AltMed...finally found a great bbs I can telnet to.. Take Care...Amy at 15:45 on Fri, 12-12-97 From Sunnyside WA * 1st 2.00 #8266 * It is better to be brief than boring. --- Big Ted 2.0 for Wildcat/5 * Origin: Apparatus BBS.http://apparatus.dyn.ml.org.(704)372-7579.( (1:379/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00000Date: 12/15/97 From: PETER TOKAR Time: 06:16pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Pain Management On (12 Dec 97) MARK PROBERT wrote to JANE KELLEY... MP> JANE KELLEY was thinking about Pain Management and keyed into MP> cyberspace: JK>MP>In an upcoming article in a medical journal, there will be a JK>MP>report of a new pain treatment for post-polio triggerpoint pain. JK>MP>Electromagnetic fields of a certain strength have been found to JK>MP>alleviate this specific type of pain. JK>MP>Non-invasive, non-chemical (note that I include herbs, etc. in JK>MP>that classification) pain management. JK>Something like the Tenns units which have been used for some time JK>now? MP> The YNS unit is a simple device. No, this is a bit more complicated. MP> When I get more info, I will definitely post it here. Two of my buddies MP> are physiatrists. (Funny thing about them is that they both have the MP> same name, but are not related.) MP> The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. MP> markprobe@aol.com MP> --- MP> * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY MP> * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) Hello Mark, I received a packet of product brochures and catalogs in the mail this week, from a company that has a worldwide web site. Check out: HTTP://WWW.EMPI.COM/ They are improving their web presence on a continuing basis. They allow you to request information about their products with web forms. They also have a Canadian office in Kirkland, Quebec. And a Head Office in St. Paul, Minnesota. To ORDER, CALL: 1-612-415-9000. Or, CALL: 1-800-328-2536. Peter Tokar Operator Zephyr Online Fidonet (1:247/110) 905-892-3079 ... Mental Floss prevents Moral Decay. --- PPoint 1.88 * Origin: .. Zephyr Online 905-892-3079 (1:247/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00001Date: 12/16/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:24am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: She's Back MP>To simplify this rather lengthy explanation, you bought an error MP>correcting modem and it would not allow your messages to go through. Not exactly. The modem I purchased literally "came apart" in the hands of the clerk. Prior to that, a friend who is also a sysop spent hours trying to figure out why it wouldn't work. She finally dug some sophisticated software out of a dark hole and found out that the modem, just purchased a day or so before, was faulty. AND, a piece of it came off in the clerk's hands when I went in to get my money back. They really couldn't say that it was in great shape! MP>Don't you just love technology? I'm not certain about all this "Progress". --- SLMR 2.1a Hell hath no fury like the attorney of a woman scorned. * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00002Date: 12/16/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:24am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: On Drug Laws MP>VF>And if you fail to answer _again_, I'll merely proceed to ask the MP>VF>same question in a different manner, your lack of politeness and MP>VF>civility to me notwithstanding. You have made a claim, then countered MP>VF>it with the exact opposite, then you've gone back. I've lost track of MP>VF>what your actual opinion on legality of chemicals is, and the reasons MP>VF>for them. MP>Careful Vern, she's south of you... I still answer you. I just note his name on posts and pass on by. He lost all credibility with me some time ago and doesn't take up any more space in my head these days. --- SLMR 2.1a I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00003Date: 12/16/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:24am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Pain Management MP>JK>MP>In an upcoming article in a medical journal, there will be a MP>JK>MP>report of a new pain treatment for post-polio triggerpoint pain. MP>JK>MP>Electromagnetic fields of a certain strength have been found to MP>JK>MP>alleviate this specific type of pain. MP>JK>MP>Non-invasive, non-chemical (note that I include herbs, etc. in MP>JK>MP>that classification) pain management. MP>JK>Something like the Tenns units which have been used for some time MP>JK>now? MP>The YNS unit is a simple device. No, this is a bit more complicated. I would hope so. The first of the other units I saw used was back in 1980, I think. MP>When I get more info, I will definitely post it here. Two of my buddies MP>are physiatrists. (Funny thing about them is that they both have the MP>same name, but are not related.) Went all the way through Seattle U. with a man who was the chief psychologist at McNeil Island, when it was Federal. He used to get me interested in reading standard psychiatric fare. Needless to say, there was much in it I didn't agree with at all. Didn't make sense. In that, as well as in religion, I am an agonostic. A true agnostic. --- SLMR 2.1a It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00004Date: 12/16/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:24am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Suicides MP> It denotes a total and MP>JK>complete lack of understanding of brain chemistry (and everything MP>JK>else discovered in the past 50 or 60 years of research around the MP>JK>world). MP>Were you Methusallah's nurse? How can you possibly work where you say you do and come up with something that stupid in response to what I said in the first paragraph? You join the other one in not being worth the time to respond to. --- SLMR 2.1a Press any key to continue or any other key to quit * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00005Date: 12/16/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 10:57am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: HEALTH FREEDOM UPDATE: PO More info about banning dietary supplements PS> From: John Hammell Subject: HEALTH FREEDOM UPDATE: POLL TO BE CONDUCTED ON VITAMIN PS> MANUFACTURERS TO SEE WHO IS ON CONSUMERS SIDE: BRAINSTORMING URGED ON PS> ACTION PLAN OUTLINED BELOW PS> Distribution List: I have been talking a lot lately with Malcomb PS> Doney, an Englishman who lives in Boca Raton, Florida and who has a PS> group called "Health of the Nation" which focuses mainly on health PS> freedom issues currently threatening consumers in the UK. Since he is PS> just up the road from me, there is a huge opportunity here for PS> synergistic interraction and a comparing of notes. We are going to be PS> monitoring MAFF's efforts to attack B-6, and other matters effecting PS> consumers in the UK, as well as around the world. I just got off the PS> phone with an herbalist in S.Africa who is networked with herbalists PS> world wide. Efforts are underway in S.Africa to attack herbalists. She PS> is going to be helping with the S.African section of my website which I PS> haven't had time to create yet. PS> Vitamin and herbal product consumers world wide are building a strong PS> coalition. I just got faxes from Chile, and from Switzerland that I PS> will upload to the website soon. We are assisting an Australian family PS> in Chile who have sunk every cent they have into a vitamin PS> manufacturing and distribution business which the Drug Cartel is PS> trying to destroy. PS> Please keep those calls, letters, faxes and email messages flooding in PS> to Congress urging cosponsorship of HR 2868, the Consumer Health Free PS> Speech Act, which will allow us to make therapeutic claims on dietary PS> supplements as long as they are true. Our efforts on this bill PS> directly counter the despicable efforts of the herb companies that have PS> sold out to turn foods into drugs. No company should have to jump PS> through the FDA's red tape or have to incur any expense in order to be PS> "certified for OTC drug manufacturing" just to be able to make PS> therapeutic claims. The companies that can clear those hurdles don't PS> want their smaller competitors to be able to follow them, and they have PS> formed an unholy alliance with the Fraud and Drudge Administration. PS> If you haven't yet, please download the form letter for HR 2868 from PS> my website and start calling Congress. Yesterday I spoke with Ron PS> Paul's office which told me that they are getting more and more calls PS> from other Congressional offices asking questions about the bill, which PS> is a sign that are are making our presence known. Ron Paul's office PS> faxed me a copy of the "Dear Colleague" letter that they are PS> circulating on the Hill and I will upload it to the website soon so you PS> can see it. PS> In my response to Adele (which follows here), I have outlined a plan PS> of action which all of you can assist me with in the coming weeks. PS> Please don't call Ron Paul's office to ask for a copy because they PS> don't need the hassle. Suzanne, Peter and I send our most heartfelt PS> thanks to those of you who have donated money to the Law Loft, which PS> was just burned to the ground by enemies of health freedom. I also want PS> to thank those of you who have contributed monetarily to the work of PS> IAHF. PS> Your ongoing assistance will help me to keep Jata on full time. He is PS> an invaluable help to me here! If you'd like to assist IAHF, Please PS> send your check to IAHF 2411 Monroe St. Hollywood, FL 33020, PS> USA.Adele's message, and my action plan follow. If you have any ideas, PS> lets brainstorm this together as I welcome your input. Please forward PS> this to others. Anyone can get on my distribution list by just sending PS> email with the word "ADD" in the subject line. PS> At 07:57 PM 12/8/97 EST, you wrote: PS> Dear John, PS> Today I received a letter from my congressman, Alan Mollohan, thanking PS> me for contacting his office about the harmonization issue. He PS> attached what he asserts is a copy of the harmonization language of PS> the conference report. However, this attachment does not include (c) PS> (5). It ends at (c) (4). In other words it does not include: "(5) PS> Paragraphs (1) through (4) shall not apply with respect to products PS> defined in Section 201(ff)." PS> I assume that this may be because Congressman Mollohan left Washington PS> early before he saw the final version of the conference report. Or am PS> I mistaken about something? PS> It sounds as if he hasn't seen the final version. PS> I have a letter drafted to Mollohan urging him to co-sponsor HR 2868. PS> I am glad that I have not mailed it yet because I will now have to PS> insert a paragraph in the beginning of this letter about this mix-up. PS> Always good to keep them on their toes. Thanks for urging PS> cosponsorship of HR 2868. Ron Paul's office faxed me a copy of the PS> "Dear Colleague" letter that they are going to circulate when Congress PS> reconvenes at the end of January. I faxed them back offering to typeset PS> it in larger type so as to be more visually impacting, as well as PS> easier for consumers to fax around to a lot of people without the PS> problem of blurring due to the type being too small. I also think they PS> might consider a few changes in the letter which I will suggest. They PS> have been hearing from some congressional offices about this bill, PS> which is a good sign because it means that a fairly large number of PS> people have been calling in asking their congressmen to cosponsor. We PS> need to reach out to the largest possible number of people on this PS> issue prior to Congress's return at the end of January. PS> Right now I am busy doing data entry on the email addresses of a huge PS> number of vitamin companies. In February, I am going to conduct a poll PS> of most of the vitamin manufacturers in the United States who have PS> email, and will publish the results of the poll on my website. The PS> purpose of the poll will be to do the following: PS> 1) See if the company will sign an endorsement for HR 2868, and if PS> not, why not. I want to see which companies consumers can and cannot PS> trust. I want to see which companies are willing to stand behind the PS> first amendment of our constitution, and which are not. I might send my PS> poll more than once, specifically targetting any company that doesn't PS> respond the first go-around in order to be fair to them. I will make PS> it very clear that any company which doesn't respond to the poll will PS> be considered by default, to be against the first amendment, and PS> against consumers, and that I intend to call for an international PS> boycott against their products. I will make it very clear that I intend PS> to massively disseminate the results of the poll. PS> 2) Gauge the companies grasp of why it is not in the best interests of PS> either the industry, or consumers, for the "special panel of experts" PS> to be formed in accordance with the Final Report of the Commission on PS> Dietary Supplement Labels to judge OTC drug claims for herbs. These PS> questions will illustrate the dire need of HR 2868, which goes PS> diametrically against the plans of the European-American PS> Phytomedicines Coalition to push herbs across the line from food- to PS> DRUG. (The move to facilitate the making of therapeutic claims via the PS> OTC category is only their FIRST step. These bastards want control of PS> the N.American market, and it would come at the expense of consumers- PS> AND of any company that lacks the resources to jump through the FDA's PS> hoops in order to get certified for OTC drug manufacturing. PS> ) Find out which companies will be filing Codex comments with the FDA PS> prior to the deadline at the end of January. I am going to see if some PS> companies would like to assist IAHF and also the Law Loft by PS> contributing to the next submission of Codex comments. PS> 4) Find out which companies will assist in a campaign to try to PS> pressure the German government into WITHDRAWING their Codex proposal PS> for vitamins and minerals. I want to flood certain German officials PS> with email, faxes, letters and phone calls from all over the world in PS> order to inform them that we consider their proposal to be a crime PS> against humanity and that we DEMAND its IMMEDIATE withdrawal. I intend PS> to keep this campaign up, if necessary, until, during, and AFTER the PS> September '98 Codex meeting in Bonn. I hope to HAMMER them ESPECIALLY PS> right before the meeting, and if they don't ACT RIGHT, I intend to PS> PUMMEL THE EVERLASTING HELL out of them after the meeting, urging a PS> boycott of German goods and services world wide, if necessary. We PS> consumers have more clout than we realize. Its just a matter of PS> figuring out ways to organize more effectively. I intend to compile a PS> list of German companies,travel agencies, airlines etc. in order to PS> massively publicize our boycott and to educate people world wide on PS> this issue. I also intend to boycott a lot of major pharmaceutical PS> firms such as Rhone Polenc in France, and in other countries which PS> support the German proposal. PS> Will put a copy of Congressman Mollohan's letter and its attachment in PS> the U.S. mail to you tomorrow. In the meantime, is there anything you PS> want to straighten me out on? PS> Adele Wilson PS> No- thanks for your help Adele. Please tell other people about my PS> email distribution list and encourage them to visit my website. We all PS> need to stick together. The no good rotten herb companies that are PS> defecating on consumers by forming offshore partnerships with drug PS> companies are going to have to realize that WE, not THEY call the PS> shots, and that THEY exist to SERVE US, not the other way around. They PS> can run, but they CAN'T HIDE, because WE can vote with our FEET and PS> STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS!!! PS> The attorneys for the European-American Phytomedicines Coalition in PS> Washington don't want us to know who is in their Coalition, but it is PS> going to be increasingly easy to TELL who these traitor companies are. PS> We are going to ferret out the traitors, and make them UNDERSTAND that PS> we don't take kindly to their deceipt or to their GREED!!! Every PS> American vitamin company is FREE to NOT BACK HR 2868, but those who PS> don't back it are going to lose customers, its as simple as that. We PS> have a Constitution in America, and it is MORE than just a piece of PS> paper. It is a living, breathing document, bought and paid for IN PS> BLOOD by people who BELIEVE in freedom. Are we WORTHY of their PS> sacrifice? Sometimes I wonder. PS> There are some who call me a fanatic, but I don't care. They haven't PS> been through what I have at the hands of the Drug Cartel, so they PS> don't understand how empowered I feel by taking this stand. Thats ok. PS> They don't have to understand, all they have to do is ACT RIGHT, and WE PS> are going to HELP THEM to SEE that we MEAN BUSINESS, because its THEIR PS> CHOICE-- if they want OUR BUSINESS, they are going to have to EARN our PS> TRUST, and not hit us with platitudinous GARBAGE about how much they PS> have (allegedly) done in the PAST for the cause of health freedom, PS> because YESTERDAY IS GONE, and all that matters is what they are doing PS> NOW. Do they want our trust? Its simple: they can back HR 2868, and PS> they can STOP forming alliances with German Naturkind PS> (Phytopharmaceutical) companies, and they can STOP hob nobbing with PS> entities such as the Drug Information Association. PS> Please forward this message to others who may want to join in on PS> some synergistic brainstorming. Together, we are going to win! Anyone PS> can be added to this distribution list by sending email with the word PS> "ADD" in the subject line. Please send your contribution in to IAHF PS> ****************************************** Donations Needed- Need Help PS> to Keep Helper On International Advocates for Health Freedom John C. PS> Hammell, Legislative Advocate 2411 Monroe St.#2 Hollywood, FL 33020 PS> USA 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905, FAX 954-929-0507, FAX ON DEMAND PS> 954-927-8795,jham@concentric.net PS> http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html End of message ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EGL00006Date: 12/08/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:29am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: It is happening again DS>I thought vaccines were against virus, not bacteria. I was told that the DS>pneumonia vaccine would only protect against viral pneumonia, not bacterial. Dunno, am aware that there used to be at least 32 different organisms which could cause "pneumonia". Best to ask what a vaccine contains. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline is umop apisdn - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)