--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFZ00001Date: 11/26/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 06:52am \/To: DAVID LOUDENBACK (Read 1 times) Subj: On Drug Laws DL>It baffles me that alcohol is legal and kills thousands every year, and DL>the "ellicit drug" marijuana is outlawed and there has never been a DL>documented case of death by it. If anything, alcohol should be illegal. The combination of the two is very deadly, especially in youngsters. It managed to kill several members of one daughter's high school class before their graduation. I knew some of those kids. The rate that the alcohol stops affecting the body is different than that of the pot. When they are combined, there is some terrible effect in the wee hours of the morning with a teenaged stoned driver behind the wheel of some very fast car. Go ask your state patrol what happens next. * SLMR 2.1a * On a clear disk you can seek forever - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFZ00002Date: 11/29/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:35am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Add And Adhd MP>JK>And then there is the adult male who became a drug and alcohol MP>JK>counselor (also has extensive knowledge in chemistry) who abused MP>JK>Ritalin and claims that it can leave talc deposits in the brain which MP>JK>effect peripheral vision. MP>You have been told that is hogwash numerous times. Only by you. And your opinions don't coincide with those I've learned to respect in other "experts". MP>JK>Pycnogenol I've not had any direct experience with for hyperactivity, MP>JK>I have seen other food supplements used with a great degree of MP>JK>success. MP>There is no clinical demonstration of efficacy. Just as there is no clinical demonstration of efficacy for the information gained from the parents of the Down syndrome children who use formulas with massive amounts of food supplements? What is incredulous to me is that you propose the use of one such for another genetically linked problem and refused, a few months back, to allow any credence to what I was saying about Down syndrome. Could it be that some of these problems are linked with nutrition and not with the witchcraft that is still in use today? The white witchcraft that stems from the same degree of ignorance as to the nature of the true problems? Some of them have managed to find miraculous remedies which is just where the pycnogenol comes from in the first place. The French explorers got it from their Indian friends. Then it was later refined in France. There is also some evidence that our aboriginals are linked to ancient Egypt. Some of this knowledge therefore has been lost to the white or civilized world for years. That doesn't negate its true value at all. --- SLMR 2.1a This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFZ00003Date: 11/29/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:35am \/To: DOUGLAS ANDERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Thrush DA>A Candida (yeast) infection of the mouth. Would Pau d' arco tea help in this case? It is supposed to help women with Candida. --- SLMR 2.1a Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFZ00004Date: 11/29/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:35am \/To: BRUCE KELLY (Read 1 times) Subj: Grapeseed Oil BK>I was wondering if anyone has heard of using grapeseed oil daily to BK>reduce ldl and raise hdl. It is taken orally, 2 tablespoons and is BK>suppose to lower cholesterol. It is also suppose to be much better than BK>olive oil. Would it also have any of the bioflavinoids in it as the grape seed stuff does? --- SLMR 2.1a Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG100000Date: 11/28/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:40pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: She's back JANE KELLEY was thinking about Maggot Therapy and keyed into cyberspace: JK>And if you knew one whit about what I am saying, you would not have JK>written what you did. Jane's back. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG100001Date: 11/28/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:42pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again Alcohol and marijuana. It is happening again. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG100002Date: 11/29/97 From: VERN FAULKNER Time: 01:39am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Maggot Therapy JK> People who are under the influence of mind altering substances are sick, JK> allright, but not necessairly "mentally ill". Any substance which is a And this has to relate to suicidal people in what way? Are you now saying that all suicidal people have to be under the influence of mind-altering substances? Most of the suicidal people I've seen/heard/known have been either unable to cope with stress, or unable to cope with depression, rather than being unable to cope with mind-altering substances. JK> It is necessary to figure out why they are suicidal and that doesn't JK> mean going back and finding out how they were potty trained. It means JK> knowing if they are under the influence of any mind altering substances And if they aren't? JK> And if you knew one whit about what I am saying, you would not have JK> written what you did. Uhhuh. Do you use ad-homimem attacks to try and buttress your weak arguments, or is this just an exception? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Fox n' Dragon Inn BBS (472-8313, Victoria, BC) (1:340/44) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG100003Date: 11/29/97 From: VERN FAULKNER Time: 01:42am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: On Drug Laws JK> The problem with the alcohol begins with the faulty brain chemistry that JK> the alcoholic is born with. The alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme is much Not all alcoholics have been linked to similar genetics, or brain chemistry. And even so, this has nothing to do with whether alcohol is not dangerous because it is legal: your perspective, it would seem. I disagree. JK> can be calculated in various ways including blood and other body fluid JK> samples. The effects of illegal drugs vary widely as they are not JK> produced under any kind of federal or state monitoring systems. This still doesn't support your stated belief that things that are legal must therefore be safe. JK> that it and beverage alcohol should both be used only when prescribed by JK> a medical doctor who understands addiction. So you believe alcohol to be _unsafe_ even though legal. This contradicts your earlier statement. Which, in reality, do you adhere to? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Fox n' Dragon Inn BBS (472-8313, Victoria, BC) (1:340/44) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG300000Date: 12/01/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:53am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: She's Back MP>JK>And if you knew one whit about what I am saying, you would not have MP>JK>written what you did. MP>Jane's back. You noticed. --- SLMR 2.1a I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EG300001Date: 11/30/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 04:40pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: It is happening again MP> Alcohol and marijuana. It is happening again. Yep. (sigh) on alternative medicine.....I've been taking Goldenseal for a really nasty cough and congestion, been going on for weeks now it seems...not too bad during the day, but at night I don't get much sleep for long coughing fits that have my chest and throat really sore. I don't have a good indication of how much goldenseal would be too much...so I've kept it to about 2 a day, can you help on this? Kaiser (my health plan) puts out a home help type book, and recommend taking Robotussin (sp). My husband is out buying me some now. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0)