--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFA00002Date: 11/04/97 From: BRENDA LEE Time: 09:34pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Garlic AVPart Used: Bulb AVCommon Use: Quickens circulation; Anthelmintic (expels or destroys intestinal worms); Antiviral, antibacterial, antispasmodic; Reduces high blood pressure, blood cholestrial; Immune support for respirtory system, bronchitis, catarrh, colds, flu and cough; Natural source for germanium. AVDosage: 16-32 drops. Thank you very much for this enlightenment on Garlic, I have read some things on how good garlic is for you, but never realized that it did all of these things....one thing, which might not be relevant to altmed, but if you give an animal garlic tablets, all winter long, it will prevent them from having fleas,in the summer time, this I have proved myself.....and if you take garlic in any form that it will prevent you from being bitten by a flea..... ... QMPro 1.52 Upload some chocolate and nobody gets hurt! --- Whats NEXT SB&)$N * Origin: The Scrap Bin, Hampton, VA (757)825-9502, 9503 (1:271/320) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFA00003Date: 11/05/97 From: ANN YOUNG Time: 01:06am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: cloning? *** Quoting MARK PROBERT in a message to ANN YOUNG *** MP> ANN YOUNG was thinking about cloning? and keyed into cyberspace: AY>Did anyone watch the new's about tis scientist who's cloning AY>tadpole's headless MP> Yes. Some of those headless tadpoles even post messages here. :) And would I presume that your one of them? AY>one's at that so in the future to clone headless people to that AY>one's at that so in the future to clone headless people to that AY>people that need transplant's the body wont reject it as it's got AY>their D.N.A & all that other stuff as there's not enough donors out AY>there? what ya think about that? MP> We do not need headless people. We already have them. Politicians. So when did you say your gonna run for primister of New Zealand again? :P --- Telegard v3.02 * Origin: The Hawk Inn, Wellington, NZ (3:771/1550) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFA00004Date: 11/04/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 02:35pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADD and ADHD > Anti-oxidants have been shown to enhance the effectiveness > of one > chemotherapuetic agent, commonly referred to as 5FU. and what does this agent do? --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFA00005Date: 11/04/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 08:20am \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: ADD and ADHD HARRIET LEVY was thinking about ADD and ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: HL>On (27 Oct 97) MARK PROBERT wrote to ALEX VASAUSKAS... HL> MP> AV>I have seen at least 70 children weaned of Ritalin. I usually HL> MP> AV>recommend weaning off of Ritalin for a 2-3 week period, while HL> MP> AV>administering the herbs. HL> MP> "Weaning" implies addiction. Prescriptive doses of HL> MP> methylphenidate are not addictive. The pharmaceutical has a HL> MP> serum half life of four hours. The biggest problem that people HL> MP> have is remembering to take their medication. I wonder what the HL> MP> motive of this critter is? HL>Au Contraire. Ritalin is indeed addictive, and a patient must be HL>weaned off of it, so as not to damage the nervous system. HOGWASH. The biggest problem people who have been prescribed methylphenidate have is remembering to take their medication. In therapeutic doses, there is NO addiction. HL>The other "danger", if you will, of ritalin usage in children is that HL>it has been noted that there is a higher than average incidence of HL>later "self-medication" with cocaine, crack and methamphetamine HL>(commonly known as speed) Exactly 180 degrees wrong: Children with ADHD who are undiagnosed and untreated are the group that is likely to become self-medicators, while those who are adequately treated are highly unlikely to be self medicators. If you were familiar with the studies from NIMH and Massachusetts General you would be aware of this. Within the population we are discussing, you are also partially wrong about which are the usual "self administered medications". Cocaine use, while it does happen, is not common. Crack use, as a self administered medication, if it does happen at all, is very rare. The use of methamphetamine is slightly more common. However, the most common drugs self administered administered are caffeine, marijuana and certain over the counter cold preparations that contain pseudoephedrine. Your information is woefully incorrect in this regard.Isuggest a visit to the library and reading. Find some books by Hallowell and Ratey, or Russell Barkley. Tom Phelan is good, and Thom Hartmann is very knowledgeable, but with a different perspective. A visit to the CHADD website will link you to many good resources. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFA00006Date: 11/05/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:51pm \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: ADHD, MPH and Cocaine Here is some food for thought... VOLKOW et. al. 1995. IS METHYLPHENIDATE LIKE COCAINE? Studies on Their Pharmacokinetics and Distribution in the Human Brain. Archives of General Psychiatry. 52:456-463 This paper provides a nice comparison of methylphenidate and cocaine. The first sentence states, "Cocaine which is one of the most reinforcing and addictive of the abused drugs, has pharmacological actions that are very similar to those of methylphenidate hydrochloride..." It's noted that "cocaine and methylphenidate substitute for each other on discriminative experiments..." The authors indicate that cocaine and methylphenidate have similar affinities for the dopamine transporter. This is interesting because cocaine's addictiveness is related to it's ability to inhibit the dopamine transporter. But methylphenidate doesn't have the same addiction profile as cocaine. While humans will repeatedly self- administer cocaine, they do so much less frequently with methylphenidate. The authors inject radiolabeled cocaine or methylphenidate into humans and baboons and take PET scans of their brains. They ask the humans to rate on a scale of 0-10 how high they are (0 is sober, 10 is stoned-out- of-your-mind). Then they see if there is a correlation between the subjective stonyness rating and the drug activity noted on the scans. From the scans it's found that methylphenidate and cocaine take a similar amount of time to reach peak concentration in the brain, but the cocaine stays at peak levels for less than 5 minutes, while methylphenidate stays at peak levels for up to 20 minutes.. Now combining this data with the subjective stonyness ratings reveals that the high is correlated to the *change* in drug concentration. So the faster the dopamine levels change in the synapse, the better the high. To simplify this, when you take cocaine you shoot your dopamine levels up from 0-10. 40 minutes later you are back down to around 4. You can take more cocaine and knock your dopamine back up to 10 (a change of 6). With methylphenidate you shoot up from 0 to 10, but then after 40 minutes, your dopamine is still at 8 or 9. If you take more you can restore levels to 10, but this is only a change of 1 or 2. Remember, it's the rate of increase, the change in dopamine levels that causes the high. Ritalin and Cocaine are very similar. They also have some differences that turn out to be significant when it comes to addiction and abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IOW, your comments re the comparison between Cocaine and MPH were, at best, simplistic. Cocaine's biophysical action of addiction is significantly different than that of MPH. And MPH does not emulate that. I hope I have cleared up your misconception. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFB00000Date: 10/31/97 From: DOUGLAS ANDERSON Time: 09:28am \/To: TOM JANTZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Adverse Drug Reactions -=> Note: Copied (from: PHARMACY) by Douglas Anderson using timEd. 29 Oct 97 07:22, TOM JANTZ wrote to DOUGLAS ANDERSON: ->> Well, the term "addictive" is kind of a loaded term. TJ> What IS THE Difference BETWEEN ADDICTION AND dependence. I ran out of TJ> meds and started getting the shakes and I was having strange feelings TJ> almost like an LSD trip. I think they are as addictive as opiates Physical and psychological dependence means that if you stop taking the drug you will go through a withdrawal syndrome, such as the shakes and strange feelings you were having. Addiction implies self-medication (you take the drug to get high), drug seeking behavior (you buy the drug illegally or try to con a doctor into prescribing it for you), illegal activity to gain drugs (you either steal the drugs or steal to get money to buy them), and other behaviors are included. Everyone who is addicted is dependent, but not everyone who is dependent is addicted. I take blood pressure medicine. If I quit taking my medicine I go through a well-defined withdrawal syndrome. I am physically dependent on my blood pressure medicine. But calling me addicted to it would be ridiculous. Medical society here in the US has a very poor understanding in general of dependence and addiction, and it leads to further misuse of medications and poor treatment of dependent patients. Douglas doogie@fiona.umsmed.edu --- Msged/386 4.10 * Origin: Dr. Doogie's Pill Point 2 (1:3632/72.2@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFB00001Date: 11/06/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 03:21pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADHD, MPH and Cocaine Oh...Mark, Mark, Mark.... While your points (I think) are well taken and somewhat interesting..PLEASE let's not start another discussion of any kind of illegal drug. Thanks.... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFB00002Date: 11/06/97 From: GAYLE LICARI Time: 07:36pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Don quai Alex, Does St. John's Wort have tannin properties? I have noticed a persimmon like taste or after taste after taking the prescribed doses. Gayle --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Library COM -* Reno, NV USA *- (702) 785-4191 (1:213/742) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EFB00003Date: 11/06/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 10:49am \/To: BRENDA LEE (Read 1 times) Subj: Garlic BL> if you give an animal garlic tablets, all winter long, it will prevent BL> them from having fleas,in the summer time, this I have proved BL> myself.....and if you take garlic in any form that it will prevent you BL> from being bitten by a flea..... That does not work here. We eat a lot of garlic in this house, if I have no garlic, onions, or oregano, I can't cook! But my husband gets flea bites anyway. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0)