--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300013Date: 10/31/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:04am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: On drug laws Jane, referring to a post you wrote to David Nash: JK> I was taught that each generation in turn has to become responsible nough JK> freedom, that it is not at all license. Your post was full of the usual JK> sniveling from someone who has those terribly confused. I can only redit JK> current public school system for your appalling lack of reality where oth JK> history and social problems are concerned. Jane, do you really have to insult people in this manner without knowing anything at all about the person? You have no idea whether David is confused regarding responsibility and freedom. You have no idea whether or not he was educated at a public school. You have no idea what his connections to history and/or social problems are. You react solely to anyone who disagrees with you on the subject of addictive substances. I have even seen you actually disagree with what someone else classifies as their own experience! You judge people on one or two posts you have seen...and yes, you have only seen one or two posts from David here. If I were to respond in kind, and use your criteria for judgement, I would likely say that you are a bitter woman who is addicted to addiction and arguing. I apologize to Dia, and other readers for this outburst of mine. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300014Date: 10/31/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:06am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin GL> Sharon, what dosage level of melatonin do you use? I take one tablet at bedtime. 200mcg. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300015Date: 11/01/97 From: DAVID WILSON Time: 10:05am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Saw Palmetto >>George Lagergren recently asked about commercial forms of SP. Yes, until recently, the traditional mass-production method has been to encapsulate either the dried/powdered berry powder OR a dried 1:1 concentrate. Recent demands for standardization have led to the gel-capping of 4:1 extract in an oil-based form. Try The Vitamin Shoppe 1-800-223-1216 4700 Westside Ave. North Bergen, NJ 07047 Cat# VS-2115 Super Saw Palmetto Extract, 100 softgels $16.06 VS-2116 " " " " , 300 " $43.36 They also have, of course, the form you refer to, capsules containing 1:1 dry powder extract. Cat# VS-2097 Saw Palmetto, 100 caps $ 9.06 VS-2098 " " 300 caps $24.46 All of the above prices are from the November catalog's 30% off sale. I haven't seen powdered berries capsules for several years. I switched from 1:1 powder to 4:1 gelcaps because of the obvious price advantage for the 4X concentrate. The ultimate solution to the choice problem is to move to the Atlantic coast of Georgia or Florida and eat the berries right from your back yard. The Saw Palm grows like a weed! --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: IC_STARS BBS * Madawaska,ME USA* 207-728-6427 (1:326/438) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300016Date: 11/01/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:24am \/To: HUBERT BLOODPIT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin HB> Thanks for replying. So it's some kind of sleeping agent, then? HB> Is it available only by prescription? It does promote sleep. Nope, no prescription. HB> Did a doctor or pharmacist suggest avoiding certain foods or medicines HB> while you were taking melatonin? I never asked (g). I sorta avoid doctors unless absolutely necessary. I just maintain my regular diet. And I don't take any medicines except actifed from time to time for sinus headaches. HB> I'm also interested in knowing how long it has been on the market in HB> the U.S., and how much pre-dispensation testing was undertaken by, HB> say, the FDA. Would you know anything about that? No, sorry! But someone else here will probably be able to give you the information. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300017Date: 11/01/97 From: DAVID NASH Time: 11:27am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: On drug laws Pop a valium or zanax! In my government given right of freedom of speech, you obviously suffer from p.m.s. I will believe everything you say and follow your ridgid unyeilding advice, if you do one small thing. NEVER again take so much as an aspirin, vitamin pill, midol, or any form of drug legal or otherwise, and I shall follow your twisted teachings like a mindless accolyte. Can't do it can you. Practice what you preach, lady, and please, as Jesus supposedly said... let he who is without sin cast the first stone! I will accept one final message from you, after that I will just not listen, for you sound far too much like a would be Hitler. Oh yes, ma'am, more than just yourself can be judgmental to someone you have never met. Truly, when forced, I can be as shallow as yourself. Next time I am called upon to give blood or go on a toy run, {I am a Biker, not a druggie} I will make sure that they share my beliefs exactly or no blood, no toys. Not bloody likely, as I choose to accept people for what they are, not some perverted stereotype I have been force fed by the media. In fact, muself and others like me donate to Rainbow Children's hospital, I personally donate to the Firemens charity, not because they are like me, I'd never share a coffee or a bowling game with them, but because I have a heart. The one you have needs to go back to the Wizard of Oz, as it is defective. How much of your bitter blood have you shared? How much have you done for children at Rainbows? How many people have you registered to vote, and explained how? When is the last time you put a quarter in a jar for Jerrys kids, or any other? Have you ever stopped what you were doing to help a child put the chain back on their bicycle? I have, many times. Anywhere I have lived the kids come to me to fix their bikes. I don't advertise, I take nothing but joy in knowing I have helped. And you know what? Most of these kids were from families whose beliefs, skin tone, religion differ from mine. So what. Maybe that is what makes our country so attractive to others, the ability to set aside differences. So. Maybe you do help others. Maybe you are far more active than I in helping others. I do not know, just as you, Queen of judgement, do not know me. The only info we have is 2 or 3 messages sent over a telephone line. Is that enough for us to judge? isn't on my part. I can say that I don't feel that I would ever count you as a friendly person, but I really don't know you. All I know is what little 3 messages have taught me. So aside from the drug thing we talk about..... I collect coins and stamps. I love fish in an aquarium and fishing itself. I enjoy computers. Sports are boring to me, but I do love a friendly game of volleyball. My youngest Daughter is on the honor roll, and has been for quite some time. I collect tea cups and saucers. I love flowers and plants. I collect oriental style painted vases. I read an average of two novels a week and own well over 700 books, both fiction and non fiction. National Geo is my all time favorite magazine. Not the typical druggie biker, eh? --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300018Date: 11/01/97 From: DAVID NASH Time: 11:49am \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin S> GL> Sharon, what dosage level of melatonin do you use? S> S> I take one tablet at bedtime. 200mcg. 200? I use half that amount. In reading on melatonin, the suggested use is to use smallest amount. If I take 200, I am spacey and listless for 1-3 hours after awakining. However, when I had a toothace, 2 worked for sleep. Oh, the melatonin I take also has valerian root{ natural valium} so that makes a difference. I found that for me, the combination works better that just melatonin alone! --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300019Date: 11/01/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:50am \/To: DAVID NASH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin DN> S> I take one tablet at bedtime. 200mcg. DN> DN> 200? I use half that amount. In reading on melatonin, the suggested use DN> is to use smallest amount. If I take 200, I am spacey and listless for DN> 1-3 hours after awakining. However, when I had a toothace, 2 worked for DN> sleep. Oh, the melatonin I take also has valerian root{ natural valium} DN> so that makes a difference. I found that for me, the combination works DN> better that just melatonin alone! I've never had a problem feeling "hung over" in the morning from the melatonin. But your suggestion is well taken, and I'll try cutting it in half to see if it is just as effective! --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300020Date: 11/01/97 From: DAVID NASH Time: 11:56am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Hello Hello! You seem to be a thinking person. Glad to have 'met' you... Wish I could be as consise and intelligent as your postings seem to be. Have you any thoughts about melatonin and valerian root? The combination works quite well for me, the only side effect I noticed I cured by smaller doses! Oh shoot, I meant to notice where you were posting from. Hate to ask a dumb question, where are you from? I will make a note to see next time! Take care. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300021Date: 11/02/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 12:24am \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin -=> Quoting Sharon Mccormick to George Lagergren <=- GL> Sharon, what dosage level of melatonin do you use? SM> I take one tablet at bedtime. 200mcg. Sharon , there are generally three dosage levels of melatonin: 300 mcg; one mg; and three mg. So your dosage level is at the lower end. Some people report taking a higher dosage of melatonin causes a sleep "hangover" effect. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300022Date: 10/31/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:59pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADD and ADHD DIA SPRIGGS was thinking about Re: ADD and ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: DS>I work for a psychotherapist here and some of the clients I have off DS>the record mentioned pycnogenol to try. The majority have had DS>startling results. One little boy who is mother refused to let him DS>take any drugs and he was just unteachable..couldn't read, write, DS>behavior problems. Now he's at about the 3rd grade level and doing DS>pretty well considering. DS>Research is great but sometimes you have to see how it works with DS>just plain folks. If I had a kid with it, I sure would try it. At DS>least that's my opinion. Since itis only an anti-oxidant, it certainly cannot hurt. Tell them to try Vitamin C. Does the same thing. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)