--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300003Date: 10/31/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 03:24am \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin -=> Quoting Sharon Mccormick to Hubert Bloodpit <=- HB> I am interested in learning more about melatonin, a 'psychiatric' drug HB> which apparently, until recently, wasn't allowed into Canada. SM> My husband and I take melatonin at night to get a good sleep without SM> being groggy in the morning from some drug. We live in the city, with SM> the houses close together.....we've been taking melatonin for over a SM> year, and have not noticed any side effects. Sharon, what dosage level of melatonin do you use? ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300004Date: 10/31/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 03:24am \/To: DAVID WILSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Saw Palmetto -=> Quoting David Wilson to George Lagergren <=- >> David, could you explain further what the 4:1 extract means? DW> Thanks. George. DW> The berries are pulverized and then extracted with a solvent such as DW> alcohol. That extraction is then concentrated by evaporation until DW> the concentration of the active ingredient is four times that of the DW> dried berries. In the case of Seronea Repens, studies in Germany DW> confirm that little or nothing is lost in the process. DW> Thus, my 800 mg of "4:1 extract" (5 gelcaps) is equivalent to taking DW> 3200 mg (3.2 grams) of dried berry. David, most of the seronea repens formulas I seen are in capsule form not gelcaps form. Is this gelcaps product are you taking hard to find? ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300005Date: 10/31/97 From: HUBERT BLOODPIT Time: 06:48am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin Hi, Dia DS> what were you interested in taking it for? I wasn't being evasive, actually, I really am inquiring on behalf of someone I know. When she heard of some of the Echoes I like to read into, she asked me to see what I could find out on this topic. Sorry, but I don't know why her doctor suggested this drug. I'll be forwarding this information today, and perhaps she will feel like getting a bit specific, toward getting more information. Thank you! Bright Blessings HB --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: (1:241/99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300006Date: 10/31/97 From: HUBERT BLOODPIT Time: 06:48am \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Melatonin Hi, Sharon SM> My husband and I take melatonin at night to get a good sleep SM> We live in the city, with the houses close together..... SM> we've been taking melatonin for over a year, and have not noticed SM> any side effects. Thanks for replying. So it's some kind of sleeping agent, then? Is it available only by prescription? Did a doctor or pharmacist suggest avoiding certain foods or medicines while you were taking melatonin? I'm also interested in knowing how long it has been on the market in the U.S., and how much pre-dispensation testing was undertaken by, say, the FDA. Would you know anything about that? Bright Blessings HB --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: (1:241/99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300007Date: 10/31/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 06:16am \/To: GAYLE LICARI (Read 1 times) Subj: Don quai Gayle Licari wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: GL> Have you had success growing donq quai. GL> Any tips I would appreciate. I haven't grown this one yet, but here is what the _Herb Society of America Encyclopedia of Herbs_ says about growing dong quai (Angelica sinensis) and its European cousin angelica (Angelica archangelica): "GROWTH ... Rich, moist soil in sun or partial shade. Propagate by seed sown _in situ_ in autumn or spring. Seed is viable for one year only, but most plants tend to self-seed freely. Removing the flower heads before seed develops will prolong the life of short-lived species. The flowers attract many beneficial insects, such as wasps, that prey on garden pests. HARVEST Roots are lifted in autumn, leaves gathered before flowering, and seeds harvested as they ripen; all are dried for decoctions. Stems of A. archangelica are cut in early summer. WARNING Skin allergen." These are listed as being hardy hardy in zones 4-9. Only the roots of dong quai are used. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300008Date: 10/31/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 06:52am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: On drug laws Jane Kelley wrote in a message to David Nash: DN> fro'active' children. This country has long been known for acceppted DN> use ofdrugs, and in fact encourages drug use. But when those in power DN> decide adrug is bad, unsafe or they just do not like it, it then DN> becomes acontrolled substance. My main point is that those who are in JK> Not so. There are strict guidelines for controlled substances in JK> order to protect those who have been stupid enough to use them, and JK> the children they have fed them to in the past. Two substances, JK> opium and cocaine were once freely used until it was more than JK> evident that the general public could not be trusted to use them JK> well without strict controls. DN> never was free. One DN> has to fight for freedom. Try to find the book Little Black Sambo! JK> I was taught that each generation in turn has to become responsible JK> enough for freedom, that it is not at all license. Your post was JK> full of the usual sniveling from someone who has those terribly JK> confused. I can only credit the current public school system for JK> your appalling lack of reality where both history and social JK> problems are concerned. JK> For the edicfication of anyone who is reading your posts, they very JK> carefully reflect the standard current thinking of the drug world. JK> And should be considered as such. I am trying to abide by your rules. But, it is very difficult not to respond to Jane's political and prohibition oriented posts as they are based upon a distorted view relying upon falsehoods and half-truths. Such posts demand opposition just to clear the air and to let anyone who might be influenced by her know that her political agenda is pernicious to personal freedom and responsibility, and to provide an evaluation of the issues she raises based upon credible facts and critical reason. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300009Date: 10/31/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 01:14pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADD and ADHD > 500,000 baud, I read them all. Every single one. 473K worth Maybe now you need something for your eyesight... > > 2. I know of this kid who was on Ritalin and his mother put > him There were NO...I know of this kid that took pyc and really did well? that's hard to believe. Cause I did know of at least one where that was the case. > > It is only an anti-oxidant. So is Vitamin C. Same chemical > action. cept it's supposed to be a lot stronger than C. Free radicals have been linked to many diseases and anti oxidants seem to be what gets rid of them before they can do some real damage. What I like pyc for is my knee. A few years ago I had an auto accident where my left leg was jammed and if affected the knee..sometimes I have a hard time walkig and other times it just aches like crazy. If it gets too bad, I take two pcy and within about 20 min the pain stops. This isn't just soemthing that happens now and again but consistantly. How does it work..have no idea...don't care...just know that it does. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300010Date: 10/31/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 01:09pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: cloning? > Yep. Pretty soon those headless tadpoles will be posting > here. :) Gee I thought they were... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300011Date: 11/01/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 03:17am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: More FDA Power Play Additional information on the CODEX international treaty to regulate dietary supplements. -=> Quoting Dennis Watson to <=- DW> From: Dennis Watson DW> Subject: Urgent: Senate is Voting on Bill to Ban all Herbs! DW> Reply-To: thstone@intergate.bc.ca DW> Newsgroups: alt.health DW> It is a Harmonization Act with the FDA to make our laws the same as DW> the European Union. A bill has been passed through the house and DW> senate and is being merged between the two. The wording is: DW> 1) No vitamin, mineral, herb, or food supplement can be sold for DW> preventative or therapeutic use. DW> 2) None sold as food can exceed dosage levels set by the DW> commission. DW> (For example, 50 mg of Vitamin C is the top dosage sold in Germany DW> today.) DW> 3) CODEX regulations for dietary supplements would become legally DW> binding in the US through the GATT treaty. This will involve DW> enormous fines to America if we do not comply. DW> 4) All new dietary supplements will be banned, unless they pass the DW> CODEX approval process. DW> Delegates who make up the CODEX mandate are made up of 90% DW> multinational pharmaceutical companies who want to create DW> pharmaceutical versions of the natural health food and nutrient DW> business throughout the world. As an example, in Canada, the same DW> penalty exists now for possessing DHEA in your home as that for DW> possession of drugs. DW> The house and senate are NOW voting on a third merged version on DW> the CODEX bill. DW> Here's what you can do: DW> CALL 1-800-972-3524. This is a switchboard. Ask for the names of DW> your Representative and your Senators. Call back again to leave a DW> message for each one of them. DW> Ask that the language for the Harmonization Act and the FDA reform DW> bill be amended when it goes to conference committee. DW> State you oppose the CODEX bill and any attempt to regulate DW> nutritional supplements as drugs. DW> Request a public comments period this week concerning for the DW> Harmonization Act. DW> Telephone, fax, and e-mail everyone that you know. DW> Also you can call John Hamil at 1-800-333-2553 DW> According to those involved, we have just 10 DAYS ONLY!!! DW> Anyone in health and nutrition fields need to urgently move on DW> this. It really can mean the end of our businesses, as well DW> as our freedom as consumers to take our health into our own DW> hands and purchase the supplements and herbs for our preventative DW> health care. DW> The mass-medical mill is designed to give you drugs after you are DW> SICK. What about our freedom to create vibrant health through DW> disease prevention? It's only a call for each of us, and the DW> MAJORITY of health care dollars are now spent on alternative DW> health, not AMA health care. We make up the majority and we need DW> congress to know that. DW> Dennis Watson DW> http://www.abctec.com/~thunderstone End of message ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300012Date: 10/31/97 From: JIM DVOROVY Time: 07:33pm \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: MELATONIN On 10-31-97 Sharon Mccormick wrote to Hubert Bloodpit... SM> My husband and I take melatonin at night to get a good sleep without SM> being groggy in the morning from some drug. We live in the city, with SM> the houses close together.....we've been taking melatonin for over a SM> year, and have not noticed any side effects. Hi Sharon: Could you relate what product you take, dosage, how prepared, when taken, etc, that you and your husband use? We are just beginning to experiment with St. John's Wort for the same purpose of a good nights sleep, and are only having limited success.... some nights good, some not so good. Thanks, ttyl, bye! --- * OFFLINE 1.56 --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: CanCom TBBS - Canton, OH (1:157/629)