--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00005Date: 10/29/97 From: SUE ALEXANDER Time: 01:22am \/To: ANN YOUNG (Read 1 times) Subj: cloning? Ann Young wrote in a message to All: AY> Did anyone watch the new's about tis scientist who's cloning AY> tadpole's headless one's at that so in the future to clone headless AY> people to that people that need transplant's the body wont reject it AY> as it's got their D.N.A & all that other stuff as there's not enough AY> donors out there? what ya think about that? I think the concept, while good for science fiction, has no basis in reality. A body needs at least a minimal brain (and therefore a minimal head) to survive...there are too many things that need to be constantly regulated and told to work. A good (?) example of this is anencephalitic babies. They are born with only very minimal amounts of brain tissue, and no cerebral cortex or the like. These children rarely live very long even with respirators, etc...their bodies just give up and the heart stops. Sue ... Can I borrow some Duck tape? My duck is quacked. --- timEd/386 1.10 * Origin: Transylvanian Tap (1:121/45.23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00006Date: 10/30/97 From: SUE ALEXANDER Time: 12:55am \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alternative Medicine Harriet Levy wrote in a message to Sue Alexander: SA> Unfortunately, caring too much can be as much of a trap as caring SA> too little. The biggest problem in caring too much is that all care SA> eventually comes to a point where nothing more can be done. If a SA> practitioner goes through these kinds of losses every day or every SA> week with people they have come to love, the practitioner burns out SA> emotionally and can be damaged. Perhaps a balance point needs to be SA> found... HL> I think the balance is to not give up caring, but not to be attached HL> to the results. It's in thinking that any human being can know the HL> true path for another, that trouble happens. This sounds like a very reasonable base to make further decisions concerning your path. HL> long time. That may change. My challenge is to stay away from HL> thinking I know what is best for her. As they say, the first step to solving a problem is recognizing the problem. If you can see this as a real problem to be avoided, I think you will do OK. Best of luck to you and to her... Sue ... You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him walk on it!-GL --- timEd/386 1.10 * Origin: Transylvanian Tap (1:121/45.23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00007Date: 10/29/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 11:05am \/To: HUBERT BLOODPIT (Read 1 times) Subj: Melatonin HB> I am interested in learning more about melatonin, a 'psychiatric' rug HB> which apparently, until recently, wasn't allowed into Canada. My husband and I take melatonin at night to get a good sleep without being groggy in the morning from some drug. We live in the city, with the houses close together.....we've been taking melatonin for over a year, and have not noticed any side effects. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00008Date: 10/28/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:43am \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: Maggot Therapy SA> Taking care of your immune system is great if you can. Sometimes SA> however, due to circumstances where this is not possible or simply SA> not done, treatment options are needed for problems that arise. SA> Maggots are a potentially effective way to limit necrotic tissue (if SA> the patient can stand the idea ) Ever see someone who has had their legs amputated a little bit at a time? Someone with a lousy immune system from drinking and drugging too long? Believe me, the maggots aren't going to do a damn bit of good. Neither will the surgery, for that matter. We need to get out information on the immune system itself to kids and to anyone else who will listen. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00009Date: 10/28/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:50am \/To: DAVID NASH (Read 1 times) Subj: On drug laws DN> fro'active' children. This country has long been known for acceppted DN> use ofdrugs, and in fact encourages drug use. But when those in power DN> decide adrug is bad, unsafe or they just do not like it, it then DN> becomes acontrolled substance. My main point is that those who are in Not so. There are strict guidelines for controlled substances in order to protect those who have been stupid enough to use them, and the children they have fed them to in the past. Two substances, opium and cocaine were once freely used until it was more than evident that the general public could not be trusted to use them well without strict controls. DN> never was free. One DN> has to fight for freedom. Try to find the book Little Black Sambo! I was taught that each generation in turn has to become responsible enough for freedom, that it is not at all license. Your post was full of the usual sniveling from someone who has those terribly confused. I can only credit the current public school system for your appalling lack of reality where both history and social problems are concerned. For the edicfication of anyone who is reading your posts, they very carefully reflect the standard current thinking of the drug world. And should be considered as such. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00010Date: 10/28/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:51am \/To: DOUGLAS ANDERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Silver DA> Have you ever heard of glucose? Yes. It is a sugar. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300000Date: 10/30/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 11:05am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADD and ADHD I work for a psychotherapist here and some of the clients I have off the record mentioned pycnogenol to try. The majority have had startling results. One little boy who is mother refused to let him take any drugs and he was just unteachable..couldn't read, write, behavior problems. Now he's at about the 3rd grade level and doing pretty well considering. Research is great but sometimes you have to see how it works with just plain folks. If I had a kid with it, I sure would try it. At least that's my opinion. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300001Date: 10/30/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:37am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADD and ADHD DIA SPRIGGS was thinking about Re: ADD and ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: DS>Also pycnogenol has proven extemely effective in treating this; some DS>Calif. drs. have taken children off ritalin totally with the use of DS>it. I posted on this message yesterday. Last evening I found something that I wrote about Pycnogenol over a year ago: As many know, I use a fiberoptic link and have been home sick with pneumonia for three weeks. Thus, I have a lot of time on my hands. Also, many of you know that I adamantly believe that Anti-oxidants, have no demonstrated use in the treatment of ADHD. Well, I decided I should really do a search and learn more about it. Some accuse me of being "narrow minded". I tried to approach this with an open mind. So I surfed and searched. I found that Pycnogenol's "guru" is a fellow by the name of Richard Passwater, Ph. D. I used his name and found NOTHING on MEDLINE. However, using ALTAVISTA I got back over a hundred hits. Some were duplicates. I also searched on Pycnogenol and found several hundred references. I limited it to Pycnogenol and ADHD. Still a few hundred. Since I had the time, and nearly instant netpage turning at 500,000 baud, I read them all. Every single one. 473K worth of documents. Very enlightening. Pycnogenol seems like a pretty good product for about sixty things or so, according to Dr. Passwater. he seems to be a pretty straight guy who honestly believes in this. For those problems, I'll try it. And let you know. I am still a bit skeptical about supplements as there are even more studies saying that anti-oxidant supplements do little. Some of his articles were clearly written for sales. But, as I said, I'll try it. However, what I found MOST CURIOUS, was that Dr. Passwater does not claim anywhere that it is useful in the treatment of ADHD. In fact, he specifically seems to omit any direct reference to treatment of conditions such as mental or emotional disorders. He has posted as recently as February 26, 1996. However, the MLM salesmen all claim that it will help. They all do. They do not say Dr. Passwater claims that it is a valid treatment for ADHD. They are too clever for that. They try to leave the impression that he agrees. Personally, I do not think so. The MLM salescreeps usually use several scare tactics to "convince" people that Ritalin (never methylphenidate, Cylert, DAS, Adderal, etc., always the eeeeevil Ritalin) is a bad thing. They use "testimonials". One of the most commonly used ones is the yarn about the parent who had their child taking Ritalin for five (or four or six, it is YOUR choice) years and watched their child wither away or grow two heads. (What sort of parent would just watch for five years?) That is the "horrible side effects" lie. While MPH does have several side effects listed, they are not common, often mild and disappear in a week or two. One of the other ones that I particularly like is the growth stunting yarn. It usual goes like this, my eight year old is small for his age. Both my husband and I (it is rarely the husband doing the testimonial) are tall, and our kid is shorter. He seems so small. [So did mine, until puberty, and now we see eye to eye.] ----------------------------------------------------------- Now, we do see many people drop into alt.support.attn-deficit who have tried Pycnogenol. Their testimonials are very instructive. They fall into two categories: 1. I used Pycnogenol for my child and saw absolutely no response. 2. I know of this kid who was on Ritalin and his mother put him on Pycnogenol and he is now Ritalin free. He had to be weaned off Ritalin, first. 1. is personal experience. 2. is baloney. Therapeutic doses of MPH are not addictive. It is not personal knowledge. Watch out for the term "great results". It usually means that someone has made a lot of money, or wants a lot of your money. BTW, I used Pycnogenol for my leg circulation. Years ago, during a winter I spent in extreme northern Pakistan, I picked up a touch of frostbite. My circulation in my legs is not so good. Pycnogenol is supposed to help. I neither received subjective or objective benefit from it. It is only an anti-oxidant. So is Vitamin C. Same chemical action. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EF300002Date: 10/30/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:18am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: cloning? DIA SPRIGGS was thinking about Re: cloning? and keyed into cyberspace: DS>> Did anyone watch the new's about tis scientist who's cloning DS>> tadpole's headless one's at that so in the future to clone DS> DS> DS>sick puppy..... Yep. Pretty soon those headless tadpoles will be posting here. :) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)